Mega Thread General MFC Discussion Part III

[Headless]

Who knows mate, one thing people here who are actual regulars would know tho is I hate praising or criticising assistants cause no one here especially those who paste a fluff piece from the start of the year would really know what's working and isn't. The midfield is underperforming, is that Goodys overall coaching, midfield coach failing, the fitness coach etc. No one knows. I do know the only reason anyone thinks Yze could be a good coach is because he was a favourite player of ours.

And probably see Yze's successful time at Hawthorn, too. But it's basically impossible for us to know if that's correlation or causation.

 

[Lord Nev]

especially those who paste a fluff piece from the start of the year

Lol, hi mate! Nice to know you're still following me around.

BTW there was no "puff piece" posted, there was s direct quote from our midfield coach about our plans for the midfield mix this year. Amazing how something is a "puff piece" or the like when it says something you don't like.

I do know the only reason anyone thinks Yze could be a good coach is because he was a favourite player of ours.

Would think being part of the change from 9th to a flag would tell you something, but maybe that's just me, I rate flags.

 

[Daemon]

Who knows mate, one thing people here who are actual regulars would know tho is I hate praising or criticising assistants cause no one here especially those who paste a fluff piece from the start of the year would really know what's working and isn't. The midfield is underperforming, is that Goodys overall coaching, midfield coach failing, the fitness coach etc. No one knows. I do know the only reason anyone thinks Yze could be a good coach is because he was a favourite player of ours.

Yeah spot on. No one really knows how good these coaches are, we can only base opinions on what we see.

My opinion: midfield is underperforming, forward line is dysfunctional. Backline underseige recently but holding up ok. Therefore - mid and forward coaches underperforming, back coach doing well.

It's that good enough for you oh Lord Nev?

 

[Lord Nev]

Yeah spot on. No one really knows how good these coaches are, we can only base opinions on what we see.

My opinion: midfield is underperforming, forward line is dysfunctional. Backline underseige recently but holding up ok. Therefore - mid and forward coaches underperforming, back coach doing well.

It's that good enough for you oh Lord Nev?

I think being as simplistic as 'midfield underperforming = midfield coach bad' ignores all the context around that, but you do you.

 

[space_cowboy]

Who knows mate, one thing people here who are actual regulars would know tho is I hate praising or criticising assistants cause no one here especially those who paste a fluff piece from the start of the year would really know what's working and isn't. The midfield is underperforming, is that Goodys overall coaching, midfield coach failing, the fitness coach etc. No one knows. I do know the only reason anyone thinks Yze could be a good coach is because he was a favourite player of ours.

You don't think that his experience and achievements at Hawthorn would be a factor?

Do you not think the team's performance improved when he went into the coaches box and Goodwin went down to the interchange?

 

[Daemon]

I think being as simplistic as 'midfield underperforming = midfield coach bad' ignores all the context around that, but you do you.

I'm a simple man.

What's your learned opinion?

 

[Lord Nev]

I'm a simple man.

What's your learned opinion?

Long story - short version: Yze has had a massive impact for us, he's far more than just the midfield coach, but Goodwin is still the one who gets final say and I think he's exceptionally stubborn. This can serve you well as a player, it gives you singularity of purpose, and it can sometimes provide strength as a leader or coach, but it also means you sometimes resist change. The whole situation is really complex with our coaching setup, it functions more evenly as a group that what I know of any other club and all areas affect each other so the dynamic is tricky - ie: Yze saying we need to stick to having more of a mix in the midfield but Goody seemingly going against that in recent times.

 

[Topkent]

You don't think that his experience and achievements at Hawthorn would be a factor?

Do you not think the team's performance improved when he went into the coaches box and Goodwin went down to the interchange?

Brett Ratten had experience at Hawthorn. Mark neeld was a premiership coach at Collingwood

 

[space_cowboy]

Brett Ratten had experience at Hawthorn. Mark neeld was a premiership coach at Collingwood

Blake Hardwick had experience at Hawthorn, as did Luke Beveridge. Neither of which have a bearing on why anyone would like to see Yze coach Melbourne.

Yze was credited for his successes in a few different roles at Hawthorn. Don't you reckon supporters would consider that when supporting him for head coach... instead of just because he was a favourite player?

 

[Headless]

I was fine with it at the time, but I'm a bit flat that we couldn't see 2021.

 

[booshboy]

Side note: Has Gary Pert been muzzled? Feel like we haven't heard from him all year?

 

[Daemon]

Side note: Has Gary Pert been muzzled? Feel like we haven't heard from him all year?

He's too busy being distracted with this Narrm business.

 

[schmuttt]

He's too busy being distracted with this Narrm business.

Oh shut up. You're embarrassing yourself with this junk.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Oh shut up. You're embarrassing yourself with this junk.

Not very good at detecting sarcasm are you Schmooooty

 

[schmuttt]

Not very good at detecting sarcasm are you Schmooooty

Considering old mate has been melting on multiple threads about it I'm not so sure.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Considering old mate has been melting on multiple threads about it I'm not so sure.

No he hasn't ...you're melting harder than the melters and seeing things.

 

[Daemon]

Considering old mate has been melting on multiple threads about it I'm not so sure.

Mate it was a joke and I wasn't melting (about Narrm anyway). Might want reread what I said.

 

[Daemon]

Unbelievably we are going to finish the round in at least 5th. We are most certainly not playing like a 5th placed team.

 

[Topkent]

Blake Hardwick had experience at Hawthorn, as did Luke Beveridge. Neither of which have a bearing on why anyone would like to see Yze coach Melbourne.

Yze was credited for his successes in a few different roles at Hawthorn. Don't you reckon supporters would consider that when supporting him for head coach... instead of just because he was a favourite player?

No I don't. You didn't mention any of Richmond's premiership coaches you mentioned one bloke who's a Melbourne favourite then worked backwards on his achievements. Was looked over for other jobs already

 

[TheBoss]

No idea why the club were so high on Grundy.

Both he and Gawn are at their best as the #1 ruck. Neither excel as a resting forward.

Gawn has had great games floating back to defend but doesn’t seem to happen much this year.

Also feels like too much of our salary is tied up paying/playing two rucks when our gameplan seems to involve conceding clearances. It is ******ed when we have two highly paid rucks with Clarry and Trac at their feet.

Our most convincing wins were in the 2021 finals series and were off the back of centre bounce dominance.

 

[Topkent]

No idea why the club were so high on Grundy.

Both he and Gawn are at their best as the #1 ruck. Neither excel as a resting forward.

Gawn has had great games floating back to defend but doesn’t seem to happen much this year.

Also feels like too much of our salary is tied up paying/playing two rucks when our gameplan seems to involve conceding clearances. It is ******ed when we have two highly paid rucks with Clarry and Trac at their feet.

Our most convincing wins were in the 2021 finals series and were off the back of centre bounce dominance.

Don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this, Grundy plays so that we can maintain a ruck dominance while having Gawn play as a follower and plug him in where we need him. Sure it ain't functioning properly now but either is anything. The idea has plenty of merit though

 

[Johnny Karate]

Don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this, Grundy plays so that we can maintain a ruck dominance while having Gawn play as a follower and plug him in where we need him. Sure it ain't functioning properly now but either is anything. The idea has plenty of merit though

The determination to throw Gawn forward the majority of the time concerns me a bit. To me, he’s always been better as a bit of a change up and him standing deep and flat footed in there encourages the shit dump kick entries. Also, with May and Lever as the ‘tall’ defenders it would make sense to have Gawn dropping back to intercept more often. But, I agree that the acquisition of Grundy has the potential to release Gawn and make him a bigger threat around the ground while Grundy does a fair bit of the follower donkey work.

 

[Topkent]

The determination to throw Gawn forward the majority of the time concerns me a bit. To me, he’s always been better as a bit of a change up and him standing deep and flat footed in there encourages the s**t dump kick entries. Also, with May and Lever as the ‘tall’ defenders it would make sense to have Gawn dropping back to intercept more often. But, I agree that the acquisition of Grundy has the potential to release Gawn and make him a bigger threat around the ground while Grundy does a fair bit of the follower donkey work.

Grundy should take almost every stoppage and Gawn should be either forward or back depending on where we need him.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Brett Ratten had experience at Hawthorn. Mark neeld was a premiership coach at Collingwood

Saying Neeld around here is like saying Macbeth before going on stage at the theatre.

You're better than that.

 

[The Dr]

Grundy should take almost every stoppage and Gawn should be either forward or back depending on where we need him.

Absolutely the best use of them. Grundy is actually doing ok as a stoppage ruck and should only get better as he sheds his rust.

Gawn spending more time behind the ball makes more sense too, if we're sticking with only two genuine KPDs


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