Rumour GFC 2016 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists.

[vinum coupe]

Well, I suppose at my age beggers can't be choosers.

But you better have ladies bits.

Lol

 

[The rabbi]

Yep.

AFAIK.

Well there you go. I always took Lana for a female.
But then again I had Munich pegged as a bloke until Doctor Gero informed me otherwise.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Question to the intelligent people.

Is the rule that you actually have to remove 3 from your list? Or is the rule that you have to add 3 to your list with 2 having to come through the draft?

You have to remove three off the senior list but you can take only two picks and have the third as a rookie upgrade as we did in 2012.

 

[vinum coupe]

You have to remove three off the senior list but you can take only two picks and have the third as a rookie upgrade as we did in 2012.

I'm still waiting for definitive proof on this.

Otherwise you get the genius tag

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Ok, but what I'm getting at is that we are currently 2 short on the list.
Can we just lose one ( say Lonergan) and then hit the draft?

And I asked for intelligent people

Yes we can do that you must have 44 in total but it can be 38 + 6 (senior to rookie) 39 + 5 or 40 +4 so if we went 40 we would save on 2 delistings.but having 2 extra rookies rather than 2 extra senior list saves a bit of cap space though as rookie wages are lower.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I believe that it is the opposite, you must delist a minimum of 3 players off the primary list per year.

I am pretty sure the rule is that you have to vacate 3 spots ie go to the draft with no more than 37 on the primary list.not that you have to physically delist x players, so in theory we could use the 2 vacant spots and only delist one.i cant see us doing that though.

 

[Lana]

I'm still waiting for definitive proof on this.

Otherwise you get the genius tag

looking at the rules it seems possible but to my knowledge it hasn't been done before.

 

[Pivo]

38 Senior Players
6 Rookies
2 Cat B Rookies (ignore for now)

Lonergan retires.

Bates and Delaney (or Read) delisted from Rookie List

List count now stands at 37 Senior + 4 Rookies (41 Total)

3 selections must be made during the draft (2 "live" + a rookie elevation is allowed).

Geelong makes 2 live selections during the draft and elevates Ruggles (senior list now stands at 40 while the rookie list now stands at 3).

The 3 Rookies retained are Read (or Delaney), Cornell & Parsons making the total list 43.

Geelong makes 1 Rookie Selection to bring to final list total to 44 (40 senior/4 rookies).

Cap space along with uncertainy around a handful of players means this is unlikely to happen.

 

[Cataholic]

Ok, but what I'm getting at is that we are currently 2 short on the list.
Can we just lose one ( say Lonergan) and then hit the draft?

And I asked for intelligent people

Well, shoot, I'll just leave y'all now

 

[catempire]

You have to remove three off the senior list but you can take only two picks and have the third as a rookie upgrade as we did in 2012.

Not so. The rule relates to minimum selections in the ND. Ordinarily to achieve that you have to delist at least three. But because we are short we don't.

 

[Rosso]

Tom Stewart and Tim House as rookie picks wouldn't go astray from my limited VFL viewing. Gives us key posts at both ends even if Stewart is shorter than most key backs but I think that stat is a little overrated. Has a bit of the Scotty Thompsons about him.

In a draft that's deep on mids we might get the 4th or 5th ranked tall with our first draft pick.

Either that or look at trade targets in Wood or Daw at North, Butcher at Port ect.

 

[dazbroncos]

Tom Stewart and Tim House as rookie picks wouldn't go astray from my limited VFL viewing. Gives us key posts at both ends even if Stewart is shorter than most key backs but I think that stat is a little overrated. Has a bit of the Scotty Thompsons about him.

In a draft that's deep on mids we might get the 4th or 5th ranked tall with our first draft pick.

Either that or look at trade targets in Wood or Daw at North, Butcher at Port ect.

Id add Will Sexton to that rookie or late ND picks as well.

GO Catters

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not so. The rule relates to minimum selections in the ND. Ordinarily to achieve that you have to delist at least three. But because we are short we don't.

Yeah i worded myself poorly. As i clarified in a later post you just have to enter the draft with 3 vacant spots on the senior list,you dont have to take 3 picks.

I dont think we will take the full 40 on the senior list next year though.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

38 Senior Players
6 Rookies
2 Cat B Rookies (ignore for now)

Lonergan retires.

Bates and Delaney (or Read) delisted from Rookie List

List count now stands at 37 Senior + 4 Rookies (41 Total)

3 selections must be made during the draft (2 "live" + a rookie elevation is allowed).

Geelong makes 2 live selections during the draft and elevates Ruggles (senior list now stands at 40 while the rookie list now stands at 3).

The 3 Rookies retained are Read (or Delaney), Cornell & Parsons making the total list 43.

Geelong makes 1 Rookie Selection to bring to final list total to 44 (40 senior/4 rookies).

Cap space along with uncertainy around a handful of players means this is unlikely to happen.

Not bad effort.

I think we will take 3 picks (our 2nd and 3rd and brisbanes 3rd) plus elevate ruggles and i think we will only have 38 or 39 on the list-saves cap and allows us to have 2 extra guys on 1 year deals,means we can rookie some of our vfl guys and have the flexibility to cut them in a stronger draft next year if they dont work out.

Lonergan retired cowan delisted. Still think enright will retire but hope he doesnt.
One of our fringes will seek a trade for more gametime-maybe vardy maybe ghs.
Leaves us at 34/35 on the list. Take 3 picks + ruggles equals 38/39.

Ruggles goes up,bates delisted and either delaney or read kept (possibly). Rookie 2 or 3 of stewart/house/tsitas/sexton/hickey.
We could also bring in a 2nd cat b rookie as we only have 1 since we elevated luxford.
I am also not sure whether lucey can stay as a cat b rookie for a 3rd year or whether he has to go on the normal rookie list.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Yeah i worded myself poorly. As i clarified in a later post you just have to enter the draft with 3 vacant spots on the senior list,you dont have to take 3 picks.

I dont think we will take the full 40 on the senior list next year though.

That's not correct, you definitely have to take at least 3 picks, or 2 picks and a rookie. Rule 6.2(d):
At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections (including selections forfeited under Rules 0, 10.11(b), 12.4(b), 13.4(b) and 14.4(d));

 

[catempire]

Yeah i worded myself poorly. As i clarified in a later post you just have to enter the draft with 3 vacant spots on the senior list,you dont have to take 3 picks.

I dont think we will take the full 40 on the senior list next year though.

Third time lucky?

The rule is as FredLeDeux says above - it's picks not spots that matter.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

That's not correct, you definitely have to take at least 3 picks, or 2 picks and a rookie. Rule 6.2(d):
At a National Draft Selection Meeting:
(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections (including selections forfeited under Rules 0, 10.11(b), 12.4(b), 13.4(b) and 14.4(d));

Thats true and obvious-as i said we took 2 picks and elevated stringer in 2012.

So when you submit your lists to the afl pre draft you have to have no more than 37 on the list,you must take minimum 2 picks and can elevate one or more rookies (the latter if you submit a list of less than 37).

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Not bad effort.

I think we will take 3 picks (our 2nd and 3rd and brisbanes 3rd) plus elevate ruggles and i think we will only have 38 or 39 on the list-saves cap and allows us to have 2 extra guys on 1 year deals,means we can rookie some of our vfl guys and have the flexibility to cut them in a stronger draft next year if they dont work out.

Lonergan retired cowan delisted. Still think enright will retire but hope he doesnt.
One of our fringes will seek a trade for more gametime-maybe vardy maybe ghs.
Leaves us at 34/35 on the list. Take 3 picks + ruggles equals 38/39.

Ruggles goes up,bates delisted and either delaney or read kept (possibly). Rookie 2 or 3 of stewart/house/tsitas/sexton/hickey.
We could also bring in a 2nd cat b rookie as we only have 1 since we elevated luxford.
I am also not sure whether lucey can stay as a cat b rookie for a 3rd year or whether he has to go on the normal rookie list.

PO, what do you think we could realistically get for Vardy? We know that clubs tend to pay 'overs' for young key position players with talent...but I can't see us getting more than a mid 30's pick for him in a strong draft? Him being a ruck/kpf probably inflates his value but this may be offset by the fact that his is injury prone with rumoured attitude issues?

 

[vinum coupe]

Thats true and obvious-as i said we took 2 picks and elevated stringer in 2012.

So when you submit your lists to the afl pre draft you have to have no more than 37 on the list,you must take minimum 2 picks and can elevate one or more rookies (the latter if you submit a list of less than 37).

Even though I think you're correct that we won't fill our list this year, the clarification that has been given above certainly does give us some flexibility considering our relatively poor draft position,

 

[Pure_Ownage]

PO, what do you think we could realistically get for Vardy? We know that clubs tend to pay 'overs' for young key position players with talent...but I can't see us getting more than a mid 30's pick for him in a strong draft? Him being a ruck/kpf probably inflates his value but this may be offset by the fact that his is injury prone with rumoured attitude issues?

He is not exactly bennell,any issues he has arent ones that will affect his value much.however he is injury prone and out of contract and those factors will affect his value a lot.considering we would be selling low i would rather keep him but he is OOC and i can see him wanting more gametime than he is likely to get here, so if he wants to go we will have to take what we can get. I would say what we got for walker which will turn out to be about pick 40 is the best we'd get for vardy. Then again clubs have given away 2nd rounders before for rubbish talls like renouf and lisle and hampson so you never know,but i doubt it.

If possible the club should try and bundle some combination of our 2nd rnd,brisbanes 3rd and whatever pick we get for vardy (not necessarily all 3) to get back into the 1st rnd if we can,possibly via an academy club.

 

[FredLeDeux]

He is not exactly bennell,any issues he has arent ones that will affect his value much.however he is injury prone and out of contract and those factors will affect his value a lot.considering we would be selling low i would rather keep him but he is OOC and i can see him wanting more gametime than he is likely to get here, so if he wants to go we will have to take what we can get. I would say what we got for walker which will turn out to be about pick 40 is the best we'd get for vardy. Then away clubs have given away 2nd rounders before for rubbish talls like renouf and lisle and hampson so you never know,but i doubt it.

If possible the club should try and bundle some combination of our 2nd rnd,brisbanes 3rd and whatever pick we get for vardy (not necessarily all 3) to get back into the 1st rnd if we can,possibly via an academy club.

I don't know how they are going to work it, but I'll bet they've had a long-term plan for getting back into this year's draft with some reasonable picks; they won't want a 2-year hiatus in the list, given the very low statistical probability that any of last year's picks will succeed.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

He is not exactly bennell,any issues he has arent ones that will affect his value much.however he is injury prone and out of contract and those factors will affect his value a lot.considering we would be selling low i would rather keep him but he is OOC and i can see him wanting more gametime than he is likely to get here, so if he wants to go we will have to take what we can get. I would say what we got for walker which will turn out to be about pick 40 is the best we'd get for vardy. Then away clubs have given away 2nd rounders before for rubbish talls like renouf and lisle and hampson so you never know,but i doubt it.

If possible the club should try and bundle some combination of our 2nd rnd,brisbanes 3rd and whatever pick we get for vardy (not necessarily all 3) to get back into the 1st rnd if we can,possibly via an academy club.

Are you sure that Vardy is OOC PO? I thought that he signed a 2 year deal only 12 months ago?

 

[Rosso]

PO, what do you think we could realistically get for Vardy? We know that clubs tend to pay 'overs' for young key position players with talent...but I can't see us getting more than a mid 30's pick for him in a strong draft? Him being a ruck/kpf probably inflates his value but this may be offset by the fact that his is injury prone with rumoured attitude issues?

If he plays the season out with a few games in the AFL then a 2nd rounder is on the cards. Stanley played VFL and we gave up pick 21. Hendo was similar. Vards always has Darce pumping up his potential so hopefully he gets to show a little in the second half of the year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Are you sure that Vardy is OOC PO? I thought that he signed a 2 year deal only 12 months ago?

He resigned in sept last year when cowan did.there was an age article which said they thought it was a 1 year deal but no confirmation from the club whether it was 1 or 2 years.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If he plays the season out with a few games in the AFL then a 2nd rounder is on the cards. Stanley played VFL and we gave up pick 21. Hendo was similar. Vards always has Darce pumping up his potential so hopefully he gets to show a little in the second half of the year.

Stanley was under contract though which is why we had to give 21 to prise him out.its all about the contract,if vardy is under contract we will do well,if he isnt we are not getting a 2nd rounder IMO.