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[year of the cat]

As much as we love him as a footballer - and for very good reasons - it's also true that after the 2006 review the majority of the playing group told him they hated him. So you want to accentuate his strengths and limit the weaknesses. If people don't like that work situation, well they have to look somewhere else sometimes.

Absolutely, unfortunately his makeup which made him such a fierce competitor and champion of the game just doesn’t cut it in coaching where you have to demonstrate patience, tolerance etc etc.

Used to love watching him play. But I’m not sure whether he’s shy, aloof or arrogant - but whatever he’s not equipped to be managing a group of men of different personalities.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Selwood situation is a funny one because he had really solid season, even a pretty great R23 against Melbourne, but though he managed to get ok numbers in the finals he was resoundingly beaten by his opponent at the stoppage, Boak got him, Petracca & Oliver got him even Ward got him (see 6:15 of the Semi highlights for a horrid example), as someone pointed out in an earlier post he actually might be in the top 3 centre bounce mids at the club but that’s an indictment on our midfield stocks more than a criticism of Joel.

I get the want to say “oh well we got beaten every where on the pack can’t just blame Joel” but we got beaten in the midfield first everything else is a domino effect from there.

I love Joel.

I love Joel too. After a finals loss some years ago he threw out a challenge to his teammates to get better next year - at the time it seemed clear he was challenging premiership heroes like Bartel and others to want to improve, or move on. I wonder how whether he'd be prepared to throw out that challenge now, or if it were thrown to him, how he would answer it?

The great difficulty with someone as talented, as competitive, and as brutally mentally strong as Joel, is the likelihood that all those amazing strengths become a weakness when it comes to realistically assessing when one's powers are in decline and, more importantly, what effect perceptions of that decline have on your teammates.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

I don’t quite understand the Selwood dilemma? If we have strong managerial and coach leadership surely we can say Joel we don’t think you should play every week- but when healthy and fit you are still in the 22 as a rotating mid and you are invaluable over pre season and during the week. Rest your body a bit and let’s usher the new mids through and you can match day coach them as well, you will get your games record and If we make finals at the very least you are last picked mid if your firm warrants which we think it will.

There is such an easy middle ground here.

Joel for the win always

 

[Pollywaffle]

The whole midfield was destroyed... I don't understand the heat for Selwood...

Turns 34 next year..looks cooked.
The others at least have some juice left (hopefully)

 

[CharacterFirst]

Yeah, gotta admit I called Selwood cooked based on his finals form, but on reflection he was actually pretty good for most of the year. Reminds me of Ablett in his second last year.

He's contracted for next year irrespective of any of our opinions, so he's obviously going to play. I think the most obvious difference is that he should be rested fairly often throughout the year - whether he wants to or not - to ensure he doesn't fall in a heap again come September (should we make finals).

Run him as the sub once every month?

 

[BORIS332]

Every time I watch the VFL he impresses me. How long has he been around for though, I feel like I have made a comment a Year on him for a while now.

True. Being only 170cm doesn't help him, but he's still only 24.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Absolutely, unfortunately his makeup which made him such a fierce competitor and champion of the game just doesn’t cut it in coaching where you have to demonstrate patience, tolerance etc etc.

Used to love watching him play. But I’m not sure whether he’s shy, aloof or arrogant - but whatever he’s not equipped to be managing a group of men of different personalities.

He could be on the spectrum.

If he isn't, then he is a pretty rude, arrogant, scornful person.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

I don’t quite understand the Selwood dilemma? If we have strong managerial and coach leadership surely we can say Joel we don’t think you should play every week- but when healthy and fit you are still in the 22 as a rotating mid and you are invaluable over pre season and during the week. Rest your body a bit and let’s usher the new mids through and you can match day coach them as well, you will get your games record and If we make finals at the very least you are last picked mid if your firm warrants which we think it will.

There is such an easy middle ground here.

Joel for the win always

Dont give me this rubbish he is still in the best 22 - simply because he is still in the top dozen or so

Have you seen the current Geel side - where not talking about the 07/11 team - we are talking about the current Geel list - some posters would delist Selwood Blicavs - theyd delist 6 or 7 because they have got NFI . Dalhaus and Henderson preferably go - and Higgins ( because he is contracted ) 50/50 and thats about it

Age of a player puts the rule through some -however David Munday is 36 - and he is in Freos best 5 players - and when he finally retires they will miss him

 

[Shadow89]

FINALLY! Some actual interesting info (for those that can't get beyond the paywall):

"GEELONG will retain the services of highly regarded assistant coach Nigel Lappin in 2022.
Lappin had been linked to a move to Carlton to join up with former Brisbane Lions premiership teammate Michael Voss, who on Thursday signed on as senior coach at the Blues for three years.
Lappin’s departure would have made it four assistant coaches at the Cats to leave in just a few weeks, following the exits of Matthew Knights

Matthew Knights

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, Corey Enright and Matthew Scarlett

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But his commitment to Geelong is welcome news at GMHBA Stadium, with football manager Simon Lloyd saying Lappin was one of the best exponents of his craft across the AFL.

“Nigel Lappin will be at the club next year,” Lloyd said.

“We have had a commitment from Nigel that he will be at the club moving forward.

“Nige is highly qualified and one of the leading assistants in the game.”

Geelong has had a number of assistant coaches from across the AFL raise their interest in coming to the club next year to work with Chris Scott

Chris Scott

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, who is out of contract at the end of 2022.

The off-season shake-up in the coach’s box will provide Cats players with plenty of fresh voices given the off-field stability they have had in recent years, and Lloyd said despite the departures of Knights, Enright and Scarlett, there would be some experience alongside Scott next year.

We have a number of strong candidates across the competition who have expressed their interest,” he said.

“We are looking structurally at what we have and the talent we have in coaching internally, but we are also looking at a multitude of coaches externally and talking to a lot of different people.

“We are just logically working through the process and that will take care of itself over the coming weeks. So whilst we have lost some experience we will have some high quality coaches coming into our football program for 2022 and beyond.”

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[Danger handballs we win]

Dont give me this rubbish he is still in the best 22 - simply because he is still in the top dozen or so

Have you seen the current Geel side - where not talking about the 07/11 team - we are talking about the current Geel list - some posters would delist Selwood Blicavs - theyd delist 6 or 7 because they have got NFI . Dalhaus and Henderson preferably go - and Higgins ( because he is contracted ) 50/50 and thats about it

Age of a player puts the rule through some -however David Munday is 36 - and he is in Freos best 5 players - and when he finally retires they will miss him

Not sure what you are arguing against here, but I will try… Selwood is invaluable for the club at present-

projecting 12 months ahead it seems a strange plan to play him 22 games and expect him to be able to compete against the best mids in the game in finals

I read reports he was carrying an injury into the finals- he has been carrying niggles for years now- danger and Joel always limp to the end of the year

But screw it let’s see if it works next year with another 12 months into him

Playing limited games makes sense on a lot of levels -

If it was illegal for blitz to play full back would he get a game as a winger or second ruck in other great teams - not sure he would. He was exposed in prelim as Geelong try to be to cute with our set up. How about we respect the position of full back and play him there for 20 games so he can learn the craft again

As for trading others out you have to give something to get something even if it makes you uncomfortable

Games into Simpson, Evans, Holmes, Narkle, Clarke, stevens and stephens is important

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[Live in hope]

Demons and Bulldogs have deep lists, that must have some good players aggrieved at being outside the preferred 22, that may create salary cap issues if stayed - any possibles?
(Eg. Richards at Bulldogs - agile, quickish, good footskills and knows where goals are - a chance? Others?).

 

[Stab Pass]

Selwood was very poor in the first two finals. 17 disposals against Port and 14 against GWS. Those numbers for any other mid would have people screaming. He is still hard at it but guys just run off him and he isn't going to be any quicker next year.

 

[OzeSparky]

Fyfe confirms Dockers are ready to pounce on young Cat

"I haven't heard it's confirmed but it's somewhere around the mark.”

www.sen.com.au

Fyfe sounds confident, looks like Clark gone.

 

[standupand]

The whole midfield was destroyed... I don't understand the heat for Selwood...

It's not heat I don't think. He's a champion and has nothing more to prove and deserves to choose when to call time on his career. It's just a realistic acknowledgement of where he's at and where our list is at.

 

[fpm84]

Demons and Bulldogs have deep lists, that must have some good players aggrieved at being outside the preferred 22, that may create salary cap issues if stayed - any possibles?
(Eg. Richards at Bulldogs - agile, quickish, good footskills and knows where goals are - a chance? Others?).

Would like Richards or Lipinsiki, looks like the latter is off to the Pies though.

Don’t know how much talent the Demons have beyond their GF side apart from Hunt (presumably contracted) and Weideman (just signed).

 

[standupand]

Not sure what you are arguing against here, but I will try… Selwood is invaluable for the club at present-

projecting 12 months ahead it seems a strange plan to play him 22 games and expect him to be able to compete against the best mids in the game in finals

I read reports he was carrying an injury into the finals- he has been carrying niggles for years now- danger and Joel always limp to the end of the year

But screw it let’s see if it works next year with another 12 months into him

Playing limited games makes sense on a lot of levels -

If it was illegal for blitz to play full back would he get a game as a winger or second ruck in other great teams - not sure he would. He was exposed in prelim as Geelong try to be to cute with our set up. How about we respect the position of full back and play him there for 20 games so he can learn the craft again

As for trading others out you have to give something to get something even if it makes you uncomfortable

Games into Simpson, Evans, Holmes, Narkle, Clarke, stevens and stephens is important

Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

Not a personal criticism but I can't believe how at 30 years old or whatever Blicavs is, we still can't say where his best position is. I mean a senior leader at the club 'learning their craft again'? For what it's worth, the best structural position I have seen Blicavs play was in the 2020 prelim - midfield. Week later he was as atrocious as he was good that week.

 

[Shadow89]

Fyfe confirms Dockers are ready to pounce on young Cat

"I haven't heard it's confirmed but it's somewhere around the mark.”

www.sen.com.au

Fyfe sounds confident, looks like Clark gone.

It's interesting he says it's 'near enough to a done deal' - which implies not only has he committed, but both clubs have worked out a trade deal...even though he's contracted.

If I was a betting man, I'd say that means it'll be a simple trade deal of 27 for Clark, and we won't hold him to his contract, due to some of the events (reports of Scarlett not wanting him in his defence) that have impacted his time here

 

[Live in hope]

Would like Richards or Lipinsiki, looks like the latter is off to the Pies though.

Don’t know how much talent the Demons have beyond their GF side apart from Hunt (presumably contracted) and Weideman (just signed).

Am I right in thinking that Hunt has pace and long kicking but little else ?

 

[BigCat1]

It means Clark definitely wants to go but Geelong won’t accept 27 which is actually pick 31 so there is still work needed to be done before they get in a Mexican standoff for a contracted player that they have thrown the kitchen sink at. The fact Fyfe and Pavlich have gone public means the only thing that will block this is the small issue of compo.

 

[BORIS332]

Not a personal criticism but I can't believe how at 30 years old or whatever Blicavs is, we still can't say where his best position is. I mean a senior leader at the club 'learning their craft again'? For what it's worth, the best structural position I have seen Blicavs play was in the 2020 prelim - midfield. Week later he was as atrocious as he was good that week.

I think everyone knows Blicavs' best position is FB. He's just been a victim of our atrocious ruck set up.

 

[cats_09]

 

[petrolium]

Fyfe confirms Dockers are ready to pounce on young Cat

"I haven't heard it's confirmed but it's somewhere around the mark.”

www.sen.com.au

Fyfe sounds confident, looks like Clark gone.

Sounds like Fyfe is also the head of recruiting and list management

 

[Tackle_happy]

The anti-Selwood sentiment in here is bloody strange to me. I know he had a poor Preliminary Final (I was there, watching him turn over handballs all day), but the bloke averaged 23 disposals a game and finished as our second highest Brownlow vote getter.
He's absolutely still in our best starting midfield. If he starts to drop off, sure, but the assessment cant be made off of one or two games.

That's more an indictment on our midfueld then I guess.

None of them are getting hold of the ball enough.

 

[BORIS332]

23. SAM SKINNER

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Sam Skinner

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3.0

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101.0

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(South Adelaide)
24, key defender/forward, 198cm, 100kg
RP: 86

The former Brisbane Lion joined South Adelaide this season after playing three AFL games in five injury-ravaged seasons in Queensland. The 24-year-old started his SANFL career forward, booting 16 goals in the opening 15 rounds but a move back into defence could result in another chance at the top level. In a similar way to how St Kilda’s Tom Highmore patrolled the air for the Panthers last year, Skinner has taken 41 intercept marks in his past six matches. And he produced his best performance of the season in South’s semi-final win over Norwood, finishing with an incredible 16 intercept possessions and 11 intercept marks, nine of them contested. Despite the concern over his body after thre ACL injuries, recruiters view him as one the SANFL’s top mature-age prospects.

I didn't see much of him at the Lions, but might be worth a look given we don't have a lot of tall options down back.

Edit:

 

[standupand]

I think everyone knows Blicavs' best position is FB. He's just been a victim of our atrocious ruck set up.

A victim of his flexibility yes. But FB? No, not for me. Having him there looks like an attempt at damage mitigation and a bankruptcy of attacking ideas.