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[cats_09]

Lol. The same types are the ones who melt cos of where certain players are named on a Thursday night. They look at his under 18’s footy and think that gives them the answers for 5 years later. Watch his vfl footy. Watch the groups SDM trains in. He’s being taught to be a ruckman. Ask people inside footy and they’ll tell you, SDK’s agility, the fact hes elite below his knees for a man of his size, his vertical leap and size. He’s being groomed as a 10 year ruckman. And honestly, it’s a little the same as Blicavs. We ALL know he’s an AA defender, but guess where they play him ? Because as a ruckman, he gives the side far more. Same theory with SDK. But yep. The know it all’s will argue because of where he played his junior footy.

Based on his last VFL he's been played as a key defender and that's where he's been playing in 5 of his last 8 quarters; the other 3 quarters he was up forward

So is he genuinely being groomed to be a ruck or has he just done some pinch hitting in the ruck?

He's avg 2.7 hitouts from his 3 VFL matches, so yes he's gone into some ruck contests but not a great deal - in his last match he had 3 hitouts, the same number as Jenkins and I'd think we all agree that Jenkins isn't being looked at as ruck option in the seniors

I'm not doubting he'll be in the odd ruck contest, but he's spent more time playing in defence, up forward or on the wing in comparison to the ruck

 

[cats_09]

Look I hope I'm wrong.... I really do... but I can't see Clark being at Geelong also next year.
The thing is with Constable, besides him coming through, there ain't many other. I'm really concerned whats around the corner. I'll say it again I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will be

If Constable is our best young midfield option coming through, that's a bigger concern than if he leaves at the end of the season - how does he differ from say a past player in Horlin-Smith who we saw could accumulate the ball but just wasn't that damaging as a player.

At this stage I'm not sure Constable could currently be called a fringe option, especially as he got dropped from the emergency list. With that being the case, if he leaves at the end of the season what are we actually losing because he doesn't really seem to be part of the MCs plans

In terms of young midfield options, those under 25, I'd rather be backing in Parfitt, O'Connor, Simpson, Narkle, Clark & Holmes and that's not counting someone untried like Stephens, nor the group of draftees to come - we've got a solid group of young guys coming through regardless if Constable is or isn't part of it

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Lol. The same types are the ones who melt cos of where certain players are named on a Thursday night. They look at his under 18’s footy and think that gives them the answers for 5 years later. Watch his vfl footy. Watch the groups SDM trains in. He’s being taught to be a ruckman. Ask people inside footy and they’ll tell you, SDK’s agility, the fact hes elite below his knees for a man of his size, his vertical leap and size. He’s being groomed as a 10 year ruckman. And honestly, it’s a little the same as Blicavs. We ALL know he’s an AA defender, but guess where they play him ? Because as a ruckman, he gives the side far more. Same theory with SDK. But yep. The know it all’s will argue because of where he played his junior footy.

If their intent is that he is a ruck then it's a strategy they've changed in the past 6 months. They would not have chased Tsapatolis or Neale in the last draft and instead would have just picked up a Fort style state league back up.

 

[Strange Cat]

Look I hope I'm wrong.... I really do... but I can't see Clark being at Geelong also next year.
The thing is with Constable, besides him coming through, there ain't many other. I'm really concerned whats around the corner. I'll say it again I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will be

You haven’t been watching Holmes have you? Much better player than chook , and that’s not even discussing the other players such as Stephens , Narkles and co

we are fine , I have no idea why you’re having a meltdown over Chook

 

[catempire]

Lol. The same types are the ones who melt cos of where certain players are named on a Thursday night. They look at his under 18’s footy and think that gives them the answers for 5 years later. Watch his vfl footy. Watch the groups SDM trains in. He’s being taught to be a ruckman. Ask people inside footy and they’ll tell you, SDK’s agility, the fact hes elite below his knees for a man of his size, his vertical leap and size. He’s being groomed as a 10 year ruckman. And honestly, it’s a little the same as Blicavs. We ALL know he’s an AA defender, but guess where they play him ? Because as a ruckman, he gives the side far more. Same theory with SDK. But yep. The know it all’s will argue because of where he played his junior footy.

The Blicavs comparison is apt as for ages there was a bunch of people insisting he MUST play at full back at all costs. There’s been pockets of it recently too.

And now we’ve got absolute proof SDK will spend 10 years at full back because he played his last VFL game (or two) there after playing all over the park since March.

 

[Down at K Park]

Based on his last VFL he's been played as a key defender and that's where he's been playing in 5 of his last 8 quarters; the other 3 quarters he was up forward

So is he genuinely being groomed to be a ruck or has he just done some pinch hitting in the ruck?

He's avg 2.7 hitouts from his 3 VFL matches, so yes he's gone into some ruck contests but not a great deal - in his last match he had 3 hitouts, the same number as Jenkins and I'd think we all agree that Jenkins isn't being looked at as ruck option in the seniors

I'm not doubting he'll be in the odd ruck contest, but he's spent more time playing in defence, up forward or on the wing in comparison to the ruck

We are grooming him as a ruck by never playing him there. C’mon, it’s obvious


He’s barely played ruck in his life, but because he is tall, and we aren’t playing him in the ruck, he’s going to be our future ruckman. Can’t make this shit up lol.

 

[cats_09]

We are grooming him as a ruck by never playing him there. C’mon, it’s obvious


He’s barely played ruck in his life, but because he is tall, and we aren’t playing him in the ruck, he’s going to be our future ruckman. Can’t make this sh*t up lol.

I know he spent time in the ruck last year during the scratch matches but that seemed more out of need rather than grooming him for the ruck - at one stage we had all of Stanley, Fort & Jenkins battling injury, so it basically was a case of using our taller options in that position

But looking at this year it seems that he's time in the ruck is a lot more sporadic, especially as we actually have recognised rucks available - not doubting he'll be used in ruck contests but I don't see how they're grooming him to be a future ruck

Maybe he's ruck time will be similar to say Hawkins, but at the other end of the ground

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

If Constable is our best young midfield option coming through, that's a bigger concern than if he leaves at the end of the season - how does he differ from say a past player in Horlin-Smith who we saw could accumulate the ball but just wasn't that damaging as a player.

At this stage I'm not sure Constable could currently be called a fringe option, especially as he got dropped from the emergency list. With that being the case, if he leaves at the end of the season what are we actually losing because he doesn't really seem to be part of the MCs plans

In terms of young midfield options, those under 25, I'd rather be backing in Parfitt, O'Connor, Simpson, Narkle, Clark & Holmes and that's not counting someone untried like Stephens, nor the group of draftees to come - we've got a solid group of young guys coming through regardless if Constable is or isn't part of it

Constable is only slightly younger than Parfitt. On this terms you’d have to say Parfitt is our best young midfielder and he continues to get better each year.
I really liked Constable when he was drafted as a player but also seemed to have leadership skills.
It’s fallen away for him, it’s likely he won’t be on the list next year. But he could also become a good AFL player. He has shown he can handle playing AFL. He just hasn’t shown enough to get games ahead of the star midfielders.
Clearly the coaches want more from him as he hasn’t ever been given a good run of games. He’s shown he can can kick goals so he could even spend time forward.

If he isn’t fit enough to run out games that is an issue. Because with the length of time he’s been on the list he should’ve been able to develop his fitness to a level to play a full midfield game. When your job is a professional athlete I don’t see how lack of fitness can be anything else except not working hard enough.

 

[Down at K Park]

I know he spent time in the ruck last year during the scratch matches but that seemed more out of need rather than grooming him for the ruck - at one stage we had all of Stanley, Fort & Jenkins battling injury, so it basically was a case of using our taller options in that position

But looking at this year it seems that he's time in the ruck is a lot more sporadic, especially as we actually have recognised rucks available - not doubting he'll be used in ruck contests but I don't see how they're grooming him to be a future ruck

Maybe he's ruck time will be similar to say Hawkins, but at the other end of the ground

I have no doubt he could eventually be used in ruck contests in the defensive 50 like hawkins does in the forward 50. But never at centre bounces, or anywhere else.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

We would have to have a reason to do it. We do not need another R2 pick this year Unless we get a best22 player of need , I dont see us trading him. he could hit form in his last year of contract etc. What we really need is an add that is best22 thats in his 22-26 range. Clark and Neale might get us Darcy type situation. Expensive type trade... but something like that could fit an immediate need or why else let him go.

You're probably right Turbo, it would have to be an 'overs' type offer. But we see clubs do this every year. If someone likes Clark and has a genuine need to fill with his type, there is a chance we would consider an offer we deem palatable. Especially if it helps land a Darcy type.

I'm not convinced Scott and Co rate Clark as highly as some Cats fans. I think he's expendable for the right price..

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

I hope that isn’t the case. I don’t understand why we would trade out a talented young kid unless it would be to secure someone like Darcy. It won’t be too long before we lose a swathe of older players opening up a regular spot for him. I’d hope he’d be prepared to be patient though I could understand his frustration when Z.Guthrie is getting games in front of him.

I hope he stays too. But he clearly has some areas of his game that he has been unable to rectify and improve on to the coaches satisfaction. That may improve with time, or maybe not..

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Look I hope I'm wrong.... I really do... but I can't see Clark being at Geelong also next year.
The thing is with Constable, besides him coming through, there ain't many other. I'm really concerned whats around the corner. I'll say it again I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will be

I'm not too concerned Foxdog, I think Holmes and Stephens are going to be really good players for us. The latter has to get over his injuries but he can play. I can't see any possible way that Constable is on our list next year. In-fact, I can't see him being on any AFL list next year. Too many limitations IMO.

 

[catempire]

I have no doubt he could eventually be used in ruck contests in the defensive 50 like hawkins does in the forward 50. But never at centre bounces, or anywhere else.

What a hill to die on! Never!

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Lol. The same types are the ones who melt cos of where certain players are named on a Thursday night. They look at his under 18’s footy and think that gives them the answers for 5 years later. Watch his vfl footy. Watch the groups SDM trains in. He’s being taught to be a ruckman. Ask people inside footy and they’ll tell you, SDK’s agility, the fact hes elite below his knees for a man of his size, his vertical leap and size. He’s being groomed as a 10 year ruckman. And honestly, it’s a little the same as Blicavs. We ALL know he’s an AA defender, but guess where they play him ? Because as a ruckman, he gives the side far more. Same theory with SDK. But yep. The know it all’s will argue because of where he played his junior footy.

Have you actually watched our vfl games to look at how many ruck contests he is attending? Fort is a journeyman and Jenkins despite his good form wont be on our list next year..if we were grooming SDK to be a ruck hed be playing more ruck minutes ahead of them and he isnt. It doesnt look like we are developing him as a ruck in the short term.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Look I hope I'm wrong.... I really do... but I can't see Clark being at Geelong also next year.
The thing is with Constable, besides him coming through, there ain't many other. I'm really concerned whats around the corner. I'll say it again I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will be

You're right in that we need more afl level midfielders coming through the younger ranks, but I'm certain Constable is not that player. We will need the list spot end of year

 

[petrolium]

AFL list age profiles: Statistical representation of premiership lists (Part 3) – The Roar

Thought I’d do my own stats on our 2020 list (I’m horrible with excel so did it by hand) based off this article on list management age profile for the last 12 premiers.

A few interesting general trends I noticed:
- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at least 3-4 rookies (ie 18-20yrs) who played at least 75% games; all of ours in 2020 within this age played less than 25% games - note: our 2011 team had 4 who played at least 75% games

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at 7-9 youngsters (ie 21-24 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 8 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 4

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had 7-10 players in their prime (ie 25-28 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 7 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 7

- Most of the last 12 premiers had 3-6 veterans (ie 29+ yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 9 in 2020 (above average) - note: our 2011 team had 10

Summary:
- We have sufficient depth of players in the 21-24 and 25-28 yr old groups who are playing a good amount of games (>75%); I found this quite surprising as we often discuss here how we seem to lack players in that prime group

-We don’t have enough quality 18-20 yrs coming through and getting games; even premiership teams seem to fit in more than we are (as of end of 2020)

- We have too many players in their late careers who are still getting a lot of games (as of end of 2020)

Essentially, I think the biggest issue is we need to replenish our youth by investing in the draft or targeting those players 18-20 yrs from other clubs. All the dynastic teams in the last 12 years (Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond) started their dynasties with a good core of young players getting good game time and came through the ranks together. Our list profile may fit in the ‘window’ for short term or current anticipated success, but does not bode well for sustained long term success.
Hope you guys found this useful.

 

[sydney_gws]

Plus we got a midfielder in Dangerfield who won a brownlow in his first year... we havnt got in a free agent or drafted a player who is a star at that 24 or 25 age since who can play midfield. I just think this time it's getting really low, I like our young players every else, Henry in defence, Miers up forward, Parfitt is good .... But if Narkle goes, Constable goes, there isn't many young prodigy mids..
I would like to go after Parish, or Zac M and Hooper.

Is there any talk of targeting Josh Kelly this year, or is he only going to choose north Melbourne if he leaves GWS. Do you guys know if jeremy cameron was told that Geelong would be getting in other free agents to keep Geelong in the premiership window over the length of jeremys contract with Geelong.

 

[Down at K Park]

What a hill to die on! Never!

It’s more a mole hill. The mountain is the idiotic idea that sdk is a ruck.

 

[thecatattack]

Losing Narkle would be an absolute killer.

He's a bonafide gun, young and we've waited for nearly half a decade for him to be healthy + other issues. For him to walk to Richmond would really hurt.

 

[catempire]

It’s more a mole hill. The mountain is the idiotic idea that sdk is a ruck.

It’s idiotic to suggest he’s anything at the moment.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Losing Narkle would be an absolute killer.

He's a bonafide gun, young and we've waited for nearly half a decade for him to be healthy + other issues. For him to walk to Richmond would really hurt.

He may walk but if he does it will be to a lower ladder club where he will be best 22 every week it wont be richmond where he would be in the same position he is now.

 

[Lana]

AFL list age profiles: Statistical representation of premiership lists (Part 3) – The Roar

Thought I’d do my own stats on our 2020 list (I’m horrible with excel so did it by hand) based off this article on list management age profile for the last 12 premiers.

A few interesting general trends I noticed:
- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at least 3-4 rookies (ie 18-20yrs) who played at least 75% games; all of ours in 2020 within this age played less than 25% games - note: our 2011 team had 4 who played at least 75% games

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at 7-9 youngsters (ie 21-24 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 8 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 4

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had 7-10 players in their prime (ie 25-28 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 7 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 7

- Most of the last 12 premiers had 3-6 veterans (ie 29+ yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 9 in 2020 (above average) - note: our 2011 team had 10

Summary:
- We have sufficient depth of players in the 21-24 and 25-28 yr old groups who are playing a good amount of games (>75%); I found this quite surprising as we often discuss here how we seem to lack players in that prime group

-We don’t have enough quality 18-20 yrs coming through and getting games; even premiership teams seem to fit in more than we are (as of end of 2020)

- We have too many players in their late careers who are still getting a lot of games (as of end of 2020)

Essentially, I think the biggest issue is we need to replenish our youth by investing in the draft or targeting those players 18-20 yrs from other clubs. All the dynastic teams in the last 12 years (Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond) started their dynasties with a good core of young players getting good game time and came through the ranks together. Our list profile may fit in the ‘window’ for short term or current anticipated success, but does not bode well for sustained long term success.
Hope you guys found this useful.

When you focus only who is actually being selected to play each week, it gets a little worrying. About 50% of the games played this year were played by players who started the season aged 28 and older, with only 30% being played by those younger than 26 years old a number which is padded by the sub.

On the plus side we have a lot of players on the cusp of selection who are in that 22-23 age group, so we have most of the demographic replenishment already on the list if the match committee wants it, we just have the same talent deficiency that everyone has, you just can't will a young Hawkins into existence.

 

[Lana]

Losing Narkle would be an absolute killer.

He's a bonafide gun, young and we've waited for nearly half a decade for him to be healthy + other issues. For him to walk to Richmond would really hurt.

I'm indifferent, I don't think we lose that much from the next player in. I'd rather lose him than give him a big contract

 

[foxdog50]

I'm not too concerned Foxdog, I think Holmes and Stephens are going to be really good players for us. The latter has to get over his injuries but he can play. I can't see any possible way that Constable is on our list next year. In-fact, I can't see him being on any AFL list next year. Too many limitations IMO.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do

 

[foxdog50]

You haven’t been watching Holmes have you? Much better player than chook , and that’s not even discussing the other players such as Stephens , Narkles and co

we are fine , I have no idea why you’re having a meltdown over Chook

Thats 1.....