Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[bellpark]

We should face it that we went all in and the game plan (and team spirit when under the pump in two final thrashings), were found short enough of the mark that there is no factual support to think we may win in 22 (home and away form is only a qualifier - I'm talking about the finals, our current opponents and the improvement in no doubt of severval teams next year Swans, Tigers) to top 4 ish level). We also have little draft capital to rebuild with low risk. So, we are faced with rolling the dice with whatever we can salvage out of our poor management of our youngsters born out of this all in to win thing.
I think the exact position we are in is a rebuild but we are damned this year to betting on picks in the 30,40 and 50's to produce some high end talent. That is the price right there. The Tigers, for example this year have a big and low risk hand to kick back up again with an elite young group that will forever have our young group well covered potentially. This is the conundrum.

 

[Two Planks]

Source? They don't have pick 6 yet, and they're apparently asking for that and another pick for Cerra, which could be pick 25. I'd think the Cerra trade would be higher on their priority list right now than Clark.

A mate in Perth who is a sponsor of the dockers.

 

[BigCat1]

We should face it that we went all in and the game plan (and team spirit when under the pump in two final thrashings), were found short enough of the mark that there is no factual support to think we may win in 22 (home and away form is only a qualifier - I'm talking about the finals, our current opponents and the improvement in no doubt of severval teams next year Swans, Tigers) to top 4 ish level). We also have little draft capital to rebuild with low risk. So, we are faced with rolling the dice with whatever we can salvage out of our poor management of our youngsters born out of this all in to win thing.
I think the exact position we are in is a rebuild but we are damned this year to betting on picks in the 30,40 and 50's to produce some high end talent. That is the price right there. The Tigers, for example this year have a big and low risk hand to kick back up again with an elite young group that will forever have our young group well covered potentially. This is the conundrum.

Richmond got that hand by coughing up Max Holmes to us. Pretty sure they’d happily swap picks back with us if we gave them the chance. We could then have a strong draft hand on paper and win the hearts and minds of social media.

 

[My Tilly]

There has to be more to it.Explain this
RD 21 v GWS on 66% game time Clark has 18 disposals 5 tackles and is dropped.
A few weeks later against GWS Zuthrie on 80% game time has 7 disposals 3 tackles and is retained.
This is the crap that's grinding my gears with the Cats under this current mob.

You can't explain it.
Only Scott apologists will slam said player for being lazy, unmotivated and not worthy of selection.

 

[Jmac2225]

There has to be more to it.Explain this
RD 21 v GWS on 66% game time Clark has 18 disposals 5 tackles and is dropped.
A few weeks later against GWS Zuthrie on 80% game time has 7 disposals 3 tackles and is retained.
This is the crap that's grinding my gears with the Cats under this current mob.

5 turnovers.

Clarkes decision making and disposal efficiency has been pretty horrific whenever I watched him this year.

We know he has good foot skills so put it down to being poor under pressure and not have had enough match practice over the past couple years.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

This was a shift that was noticeable around 2013 or so IMHO, I think the club thought it was going to project that this is a group of serious professionals not a bunch of kids having a bit of fun. But I agree, there's a real lack of apparent connection at times, great clubs run on emotion as well as logic.

They were doing this through our glory period of 07 onwards, the linked arm thing brings nothing whatsoever

 

[moond0g]

There has to be more to it.Explain this
RD 21 v GWS on 66% game time Clark has 18 disposals 5 tackles and is dropped.
A few weeks later against GWS Zuthrie on 80% game time has 7 disposals 3 tackles and is retained.
This is the crap that's grinding my gears with the Cats under this current mob.

yeah, despite copping a lot of criticism (rightly so) for missing that goal late, he actually played ok that game, and tackled quite well.

 

[moond0g]

5 turnovers.

Clarkes decision making and disposal efficiency has been pretty horrific whenever I watched him this year.

We know he has good foot skills so put it down to being poor under pressure and not have had enough match practice over the past couple years.

Clark had the 7th highest disposal efficiency of anyone at the club this year at 80.5%.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I agree that his form this year wasn’t great and he didn’t warrant a spot in the team.

But I’m looking at the bigger picture - Clark’s still 20 years old, been in the system three years, had a great debut season and an injury ravaged second season. Two of his three seasons have been COVID impacted (including reduced lower level football) which would be particularly hard for a kid living on the other side of the country to his family.

I think he’s shown more than enough than he’s capable at AFL level and more importantly his attributes are exactly our fans are crying out for - pace, long direct kicking, a bit of excitement.

Unless there are circumstances we don’t know about, on face value it seems bizarre to be to trade out a talented 20 year old when we are talking about rejuvenating our list.

I dont want to trade him or get rid of him, i am just saying he was given chances ad priority at AFL level and just played poorly before being dropped. We were in no position to gift games while competing for a flag.

There seems to be some misinformed narrative that we held him back or something. Most on here after that melbourne game wanted to hang him by the balls off the west gate freeway.

He was given opportunity to take his chances which i hope he gets again next year, but he has to earn it.

 

[Vivy]

Clark had the 7th highest disposal efficiency of anyone at the club this year at 80.5%.

I'm pro Clark, but not sure DE % is hugely indicative with the way we play. That being said I've never thought he's a poor user, or a great user. Needs more experience

Champion Data has a nifty stat that rates against other players and gives weighting to difficulty of kick. No access to it, but showed during the season that Higgins and Parfitt in particular were quite poor. Interested to see where Clark would stack up

 

[Jackington]

I'm a big Jordan Clark

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Jordan Clark

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25

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185cm

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83kg

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Def

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Last 5

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13.7

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K

9.4

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4.3

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4.2

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T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

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1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

fan. Came and played a game Indoor Cricket with my team last off season, and is a genuinely lovely bloke.

However (Matthew Scarlett

Matthew Scarlett

Age

46

Ht

192cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

3.8

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

0.6

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M

2.0

3star

T

0.8

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's mean girls club aside), its clangers under pressure in big moments that have kept him out of the side.

R7 against Sydney, took a risky kick across goal, completely missed the target and kicked it straight to Papley, (his man) resulting in Papley kicking the matchwinner. Was dragged immediately and spent the last three minutes on the bench.

R21 despite his cited disposal efficiency, he only went at 50% by foot for the game, had four clangers, and missed an absolute sitter goal when the heat was on.

Needless to say, without those performances, Geelong would have finished on top of the ladder, and Clark probably would have played 15-18 games this year, even if Scarlett wouldn't let him play in the backline.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

There has to be more to it.Explain this
RD 21 v GWS on 66% game time Clark has 18 disposals 5 tackles and is dropped.
A few weeks later against GWS Zuthrie on 80% game time has 7 disposals 3 tackles and is retained.
This is the crap that's grinding my gears with the Cats under this current mob.

I dont quite get your logic. Are you trying to say the selection committee decided to not select the best team deliberately when trying to win a premiership?? They would have had their own logics and reasons.

 

[goyoucatters]

I dont quite get your logic. Are you trying to say the selection committee decided to not select the best team deliberately when trying to win a premiership?? They would have had their own logics and reasons.

That's exactly what's being said. Car washes and photos are always the best explanation when the selected 22 doesn't match up with supporter expectations.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

That's exactly what's being said. Car washes and photos are always the best explanation when the selected 22 doesn't match up with supporter expectations.

Honestly.. It just beggars belief and common sense to say that we deliberately do such a thing. They simply would havd their own reasons

 

[standupand]

For me it's kind of ironic, in that when Lang first came to the club I thought he was a Dahlhaus type of mid.
What was he missing before with us, and then with Carlton? Does he have the skills or speed now for the midfield? Can he be a direct replacement for Dahlhaus's current role?

I probably haven't seen enough vfl to say. If they promoted him to the main list it, I'd assume it would be contributing to a bit of a new look midfield, and yes like you say possibly time as a high half forward. My comment was a general opinion about players like where he finds himself. Has done it things the hard way and looks to be mature and enjoying his footy.

 

[strauchnyy]

Dockers are looking at trading 6, 8 and 27 to Suns for 3, 19 and 22. Then offering Cats 22 for Clark.

Also a chance to trade 6 and 8 to Adelaide for 4, 23 and something else and then offering 23 for Clark.

Rather keep Clark than 22/23. Which fall back on draft night.

Clark is a good player that will thrive on game time. Why throw it away for gamble wells will likely muff again. I hope we hold him to his contract and give the kid a shot

 

[iameviljez]

Wont come back to the club as long as CS is there

Why? There wasn’t a blowup between them so far as I know

 

[moond0g]

I'm pro Clark, but not sure DE % is hugely indicative with the way we play. That being said I've never thought he's a poor user, or a great user. Needs more experience

Champion Data has a nifty stat that rates against other players and gives weighting to difficulty of kick. No access to it, but showed during the season that Higgins and Parfitt in particular were quite poor. Interested to see where Clark would stack up

I actually agree to a certain extent. FWIW Kolo is one spot higher at 6th, and I don't really rate his disposal at all. It was more in response to the previous poster who was saying his disposal efficiency was low this year. When it takes 5 seconds to check and see that, in actual fact, it was higher than most. This just irritates me a little sometimes.

 

[catman2006]

Why. There is a clear best 4 this year. Pick 3 (#5) misses that. Go through history and see if you’d trade the player taken at 8 and 10 for the player taken at 5 and 21.

I’d rather be the Suns any day of the week. More margin for error. If it was the 2018 draft with a big 6 then fair enough but that isn’t the case this year and most years for that matter.

they have very limited list spots and last I heard they wanted Gibcus but so do the hawks so they miss out on Gibcus by trading away

 

[you pick one]

I dont quite get your logic. Are you trying to say the selection committee decided to not select the best team deliberately when trying to win a premiership?? They would have had their own logics and reasons.

I'm saying they flogged a dead horse with Jack Steven Dollshouse Higgins Zuthrie I have very little faith in our selectors and this is not something new they need a ****ing good shake up.

 

[Drunkcat]

I bet the dogs find a better ruckman before we do

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Re Clark - since that shoulder incident - and i think it was over in WA against WC - and i can remember him going off the ground - he was in acute pain - so only he knows what the issue is their - and whether there is still a problem

I think Clarks game is fine - except one thing - since that incident - he doesnt RUN straight at the ball - he doesnt run straight at the contest

If he did - he would be an infinitely better player

I did think he got treated very shabbily at the selection table - there was one game their in particular - where Geel won - and Clark didnt have a great game - but he did a couple of really nice/important things - led to crucial late Geel goals - might have smothered a kick - or did something re man on mark - and also maybe a bit of link up play - and Geel got 2 vital goals . Now most coaches not just AFL - but any level - would have said - he did a couple of really nice things - so he gets a game in the next week . No but in true C Scott fashion he dropped him - instead he played that hack Dahlhaus for every game - until he had his head/neck on the wood chopping block - like a turkeys at Xmas time- facing a sudden death/elimination final he dropped him - C Scott to a tee.

 

[BORIS332]

There has to be more to it.Explain this
RD 21 v GWS on 66% game time Clark has 18 disposals 5 tackles and is dropped.
A few weeks later against GWS Zuthrie on 80% game time has 7 disposals 3 tackles and is retained.
This is the crap that's grinding my gears with the Cats under this current mob.

What a ridiculous argument. Clark played that game on a wing and was absolutely putrid when he got it. Zuthrie plays a defensive role in a back pocket. Also, in that same round 21 game Zuthrie still had 15 disposals anyway.

Kolodjashnij had 8 disposals in the preliminary final, Jeremy Cameron only had 4 - therefore Kolo is better than Jezza.

 

[Johanpetro]

However (Matthew Scarlett's mean girls club aside), its clangers under pressure in big moments that have kept him out of the side.

what an absolute load of crap if true. Scarlett’s love child Kolodjashnij is the biggest pants sh**ter I’ve ever seen play in the hoops when the pressure is on. Blitz, Hendo not far behind either so that logic is a joke and if true then I’m glad Scarlett is gone.

 

[afl genius]

I'm a big Jordan Clark fan. Came and played a game Indoor Cricket with my team last off season, and is a genuinely lovely bloke.

However (Matthew Scarlett's mean girls club aside), its clangers under pressure in big moments that have kept him out.

That's fine but when you see players like Kolo do the same brain dead errors week in week out that cost multiple goals and are not dropped, well you lose any faith. Henderson first final, he must of given up close to 5 goals from very basic errors. Was he dropped? Can't have one rule for some and not others