Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[ShaunWDT]

What about Caleb Marchbank from the Blues as a key defensive option? 24, and can’t get in their team with Weitering and Jones settled in the 2 key defensive roles.

Only reason he cant get in is injury, would play every week if he was ever fit

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What about Caleb Marchbank from the Blues as a key defensive option? 24, and can’t get in their team with Weitering and Jones settled in the 2 key defensive roles.

I like him but hes very injury prone.

 

[year of the cat]

Only reason he cant get in is injury, would play every week if he was ever fit

I like him but hes very injury prone.

Fits us perfectly then
Ok, wasn’t aware that was still an issue.

 

[catman2006]

Harrison Gunther played games for North M in the VFL
Michael stingel dashing hbf big upside
Alec Wright another hbf but sets up goal assists.
Jay Foon mid who can get plenty of ball little older but VFL team-rookie spot

 

[Tackle_happy]

There’s only one KPD in that list, which is precisely why he’s thrown to the wolves haha


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There are experienced defenders who usually assist where there are potential one on ones or pack situations. Henry and Stewart lead the way there.

This would allow SDK some leeway in learning to position himself ... not from a strongest man type of situation - but to be able to sit off a little and utilise his reach/athleticism to nullify or win a contest.

That some people don't get this basic premise (that not all back men need to be Mr Universe to play KPD) boggles the mind.

 

[ShaunWDT]

There are experienced defenders who usually assist where there are potential one on ones or pack situations. Henry and Stewart lead the way there.

This would allow SDK some leeway in learning to position himself ... not from a strongest man type of situation - but to be able to sit off a little and utilise his reach/athleticism to nullify or win a contest.

That some people don't get this basic premise (that not all back men need to be Mr Universe to play KPD) boggles the mind.

Positioning himself is irrelevant when his direct opponent just rag dolls him out of the contest, which is going to happen when you are giving up size to your opponent every week.

 

[Tackle_happy]

Waste of time getting talia. What is the point? He’s not going to be in our next premiership contending team, and they might only get a couple of years out of him if he can even get on the park. Complete waste of a list spot. We have plenty of coverage in defence, we don’t need him at all.

Thankfully it looks like he is staying in sa, so it’s not even worth worrying about. No more old, injured duds.

If Geelong are going to load up and try again ... which I think would be a very high chance of happening. Then there is some sense in that sort of decision. Talia is a much better FB than Henderson ... and for another year at least will be better than SDK if he is to play there.

In saying that I don't necessarily think it will matter much if we are going for it again. I think getting more youth into the team (ie SDK/Narkle/Simpson/Evans etc) will have a far better effect overall ... even if it does mean there being some weaknesses that are just there from being inexperienced. There are still plenty of very good players around them to help/assist. Allow the younger guys to play without the baggage of the older ones and maybe it will give all a new lease of life and energy.

Either way will work and as such I'm ok with Talia coming over (3 years younger than Hendo or thereabouts) ... but for me I'd like a good injection of youth across the board with older guys used as a last resort in supporting positions (aside from SDK ... who I want in as a KPD from the get go).

 

[Tackle_happy]

Positioning himself is irrelevant when his direct opponent just rag dolls him out of the contest, which is going to happen when you are giving up 10kg to your opponent every week.

Why allow him to be rag dolled? He has height/reach and by the looks speed to cover without getting into that situation. If there are moments in a game where he is in that sort of contest then that's where he will need help to nullify ... sure there will be times where no one can help him and he is locked in ... but the likes of Fletcher did well over time on the monsters of that era ... even Scarlett early on learned how to play FB with a smaller frame.

He just plays to his strengths and limits as many of the chances for his weaknesses to be exposed.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

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Conclusions you could draw from this:

1. GWS had ridiculous access to draft value (DVI) due to concessions upon entering the comp but has lost over half of it over the decade (and players leaving which “tops up” their DVI)

2. Gold Coast has also had ridiculous access to draft value (DVI) but just by virtue of being sh*t (and players leaving which “tops up” their DVI)

3. Geelong has had access to the worst draft value (DVI) of all 18 clubs 2011-2020. The system is setup for Geelong to be no good by the year 2021, not a top 4 side.

4. Geelong has used just under the median amount of DVI it was entitled to over the period (83% vs 87%). So it was slightly more inclined to trade value than other clubs. Port was aligned with Geelong on this measure while Hawthorn, Richmond, St Kilda and West Coast were “worse”.

5. Geelong has taken more national draft selections than average. This is probably a deliberate strategy to get more looks at more lower value draftees.

6. Geelong fares close to worst in terms of (1) proportion of draftees still on list, only Sydney fares worse (2) proportion of DVI still on list, only GWS fares worse

7. Geelong doesn’t get as many games out of each draftee but gets nearly the best value (games) per DVI point. This may suggest it is better at spotting talent or is forced to play more lower quality draftees than average. Being more inclined to trade in players would work against this measure.

8. Hawthorn’s list is in a world of pain.

9. I have too much time on my hands in lockdown


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Amazing work. That games per 100 dvi tells the story. Could totally turn this into a write up for the mongrel punt. Other clubs would be interested to see it, especially Hawks supporters

 

[ShaunWDT]

Why allow him to be rag dolled? He has height/reach and by the looks speed to cover without getting into that situation. If there are moments in a game where he is in that sort of contest then that's where he will need help to nullify ... sure there will be times where no one can help him and he is locked in ... but the likes of Fletcher did well over time on the monsters of that era ... even Scarlett early on learned how to play FB with a smaller frame.

He just plays to his strengths and limits as many of the chances for his weaknesses to be exposed.

Everyone keeps bringing up Scarlett and Fletcher's lack of size but who exactly was the 195cm plus 100kg forward that they had to hold their own against? It's a different game these days.

SDK will benefit massively from a year of VFL to grow into his body and actually get accustomed to playing the position in a senior environment.

 

[Kitcat]

I have sympathy with the policy in some cases. But I just don't understand why everyone needs to go through this same development pathway. Not that I'm sure Taheny was coming on, anyway, but he looked completely wasted in the back half to me. When players have such demonstrably advantageous skillsets for particular roles in the team, I just see so little is gained when they are shoehorned into positions that will very likely never suit their best attributes for footy.

I recall that Krueger wasn’t showing anything as a forward so they tried him out in defence.

 

[Tackle_happy]

Everyone keeps bringing up Scarlett and Fletcher's lack of size but who exactly was the 195cm plus 100kg forward that they had to hold their own against? It's a different game these days.

SDK will benefit massively from a year of VFL to grow into his body and actually get accustomed to playing the position in a senior environment.

Yep much different - it's more zonal - no need to be 10kg heavier necessarily.

Fletcher was up against everyone from Ablett Sr/Lloyd/Carey/Lockett in his heyday etc.

Plenty of "strong" one on one types who loved that type of thing.

 

[ShaunWDT]

I recall that Krueger wasn’t showing anything as a forward so they tried him out in defence.

I dont understand why we are obsessed with moving players around myself, Kreuger kicked 22 goals in 13 games as a lightly framed forward in the SANFL and we abandon that talent pool within a couple of injury and Covid interrupted seasons, watch him play forward and do well for the Pies next year.

 

[BigCat1]

Greame Wright was on trade radio and said he’s already spoken to Geelong initially about a deal for Krueger. He’s confident the pies can work something out.

There is no chance he’s staying. Even if something fell over Collingwood have pick 2 in the PSD and nobody in the media would kick up a stink or cry foul if he just went there via that given he’s such a no name.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Greame Wright was on trade radio and said he’s already spoken to Geelong initially about a deal for Krueger. He’s confident the pies can work something out.

There is no chance he’s staying. Even if something fell over Collingwood have pick 2 in the PSD and nobody in the media would kick up a stink or cry foul if he just went there via that given he’s such a no name.

Geelong just arent a club thats going to string someone along to the point that PSD even enters the conversation, especially for a guy thats got next to zero currency in the first place.

 

[standupand]

Why allow him to be rag dolled? He has height/reach and by the looks speed to cover without getting into that situation. If there are moments in a game where he is in that sort of contest then that's where he will need help to nullify ... sure there will be times where no one can help him and he is locked in ... but the likes of Fletcher did well over time on the monsters of that era ... even Scarlett early on learned how to play FB with a smaller frame.

He just plays to his strengths and limits as many of the chances for his weaknesses to be exposed.

Agree with this. HT was a genius at spoiling and intercepting too when he was giving away a few cms and kgs to the big forwards like Riewoldt or Franklin. The key thing is reading the play and positioning and of course having teammates up the field who can pressure the delivery.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

Surely Ladhams isn't coming to play second ruck. He's already got that job where he is now.

Sure but point stands - Krueger can go forward if we have better ruck stocks


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[Fluffyguts]

Got 3 words cats fans.......Draft, Draft, Draft

Please no more trades in!

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Greame Wright was on trade radio and said he’s already spoken to Geelong initially about a deal for Krueger. He’s confident the pies can work something out.

There is no chance he’s staying. Even if something fell over Collingwood have pick 2 in the PSD and nobody in the media would kick up a stink or cry foul if he just went there via that given he’s such a no name.

Did he say anything about max lynch by any chance?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Got 3 words cats fans.......Draft, Draft, Draft

Please no more trades in!

I got one sentence for you-look at our talent between ages 24 and 28-its thin-you cant address that solely through the draft.

Our youth under 24 is actually relatively good.

 

[goyoucatters]

Hed have just as much opportunity at Collingwood if not more and has the security of a long term deal, really a no brainer for a guy thats almost 23.

Fair enough. Will be interested to see how the move works out for him. Seems to have shown more behind the ball than up forward during his time with us.

 

[goyoucatters]

Sure but point stands - Krueger can go forward if we have better ruck stocks


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We don't (and are unlikely to have) have better ruck stocks, though. And I don't think the evidence is there that he's going to thrive on the forward line, anyway.

In any case, it appears he's well and truly out the door. So his positioning for next year is now a discussion for the Pies board, you would think.

 

[standupand]

I got one sentence for you-look at our talent between ages 24 and 28-its thin-you cant address that solely through the draft.

Our youth under 24 is actually relatively good.

Time sorts that problem out quicker than you think.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Time sorts that problem out quicker than you think.

Im not sure it does..free agency can though fortunately.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Agree with this. HT was a genius at spoiling and intercepting too when he was giving away a few cms and kgs to the big forwards like Riewoldt or Franklin. The key thing is reading the play and positioning and of course having teammates up the field who can pressure the delivery.

Taylor walked in the door at 90kg he wasn't exactly undersized, one of the main reasons he slotted in so easily was he was physically ready for the role.