Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Grimoz]

We should just shut this thread down until 7pm Wendesday because stuff all is happening until then!!!

 

[MattTbone]

At least some of this has got to be AFL manipulation for the final night.

There's no way that basically zero trades go through on the morning of the third last day.....

That's what I've been thinking too. I know some trades are complex but surely some can be done, espically the Izak Rankine deal which was meant to be finalised last Wednesday haha.

 

[Wish Wellingtons]

Ratagolea and 25 for Henry plus some poo change?

 

[moond0g]

Ralph ,,what more can you say... The media is becoming a mouth piece to put pressure on clubs this is the second time aligned media mouths have had a go at us in this period...





Geelong is making promises to Esava Ratugolea it knows it cannot keep.

It is telling the 24-year-old there is a meaningful role for him next year after only four AFL games in 2022.

The problem for Ratugolea, a newly re-cast intercept defender after two dominant VFL games in rounds 20 and 21, is that there are just so many star-studded teammates ahead of him.

In defence he is behind Tom Stewart, Sam De Koning, Jack Henry, Jake Kolodjashnij and part-time defender Mark Blicavs.

In the ruck when Blicavs isn’t playing the ruck-rover role there are Rhys Stanley, John Ceglar and the emerging Toby Conway.

If Ratugolea has to wait until Tom Hawkins retires it might be 2025 until he gets a decent crack at it alongside Jeremy Cameron, Gary Rohan, Brad Close and co.

In any other situation Geelong would do what premiership sides or dominant teams have with frustrated depth players and allowed him to prosper elsewhere.

The Tugger bitterness in this is just seeping all over the place...

cheap pot shots from a glorified blogger lol

Go Catters

Fair enough. But in all seriousness how do you see Esava playing more than 5 games next year without a KPP having a serious injury?

 

[Grimoz]

He can stay at Collingwood and be unhappy then

Collingwood, Geelong reportedly at stalemate in Ollie Henry talks: AFL trade news

The young Pie may remain in black and white in 2023.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He can stay at Collingwood and be unhappy then

Collingwood, Geelong reportedly at stalemate in Ollie Henry talks: AFL trade news

The young Pie may remain in black and white in 2023.

www.zerohanger.com

We're honestly much better off trading for him next year anyway and rotating young mids forward to get games into them.

Henry is a nice to have

 

[calder_daddy]

He can stay at Collingwood and be unhappy then

Collingwood, Geelong reportedly at stalemate in Ollie Henry talks: AFL trade news

The young Pie may remain in black and white in 2023.

www.zerohanger.com

Players with Henry’s talent don’t come around this easy.
We will make the deal work, we’re the nice club after all

 

[year of the cat]

Someone will blink. He won't be at Collingwood next year that's certain.

 

[moond0g]

I have been an advocate for that as well but I feel like I hav mostly been almost one out ...so welcome to the dark side

Consodering these guys are being told where to go ..one has to be very careful about equity and fairness.


I suspect club would like 2 and 2... an option to activate. Perhaps a set rate . Perhaps capable of matching offers... but you are right they do not want to be tied up with all players.


but I acknowledge I see it different to many others.


Id also like to get to the stage where free agency is far more available with more players capable of moving. Loosen up the number..get rid of compensation


The idea of any club , including geelong , getting something for an out of contract player is anachronism . A club should own the contract not the player. Once the contract is done they are free to select their own place of work...like anyone else.

Clubs rightly have a strong say over contracted players.

I think 3 years is a middle ground most clubs could agree on. But I understand your point.

I agree somewhat re. scrapping compensation, but that would likely harm the poor clubs more, which the AFL would be reticent to do. likewise with making FA more available generally.

I can see all your arguments, but generally disagree. The problem with expanding free agency, and reducing compensation, is that we'd get to a point where these 5-7, even 8 or 9 yea deals are common, because clubs know that they wouldn't be able to trade uncontracted players and wouldn't get any compensation. It would be the norm for clubs to do what is happening with Jackson where you've got someone coming off their rookie contract and being offered 7 or 8 years to lock in control by the clubs. As a by-product it would be more and more common to have trading based on salary rather than picks/players, like what is happening with Bowes, Grundy etc. We wouldn't be immune either.

It would be more akin to the US sports, but I personally don't really want to go down that route.

 

[Shadow89]

He can stay at Collingwood and be unhappy then

Collingwood, Geelong reportedly at stalemate in Ollie Henry talks: AFL trade news

The young Pie may remain in black and white in 2023.

www.zerohanger.com

Oh Edmund, must be positively orgasming over all this drama - absolute fool, lol. Was the same way last year over Clark, just making sh*t up. I wonder if he will go back though, despite what others have said. I can't see it happening, but it'll be interesting to see if Wright really will give up that pick just to cut off his nose to spite his face

 

[Jemaine]

Henry won't be at the Pies, this is just some filler for the current dead airtime.

Question though, if he goes to the National Draft does that mean he has to sign a two year deal if a team like Hawthorn or Essendon snap him up before our pick at 25.

 

[STPer18]

Henry won't be at the Pies, this is just some filler for the current dead airtime.

Question though, if he goes to the National Draft does that mean he has to sign a two year deal if a team like Hawthorn or Essendon snap him up before our pick at 25.

I'm pretty sure you can put your own contract on your head. So if he felt the Pies were lowballing him anyway he can at least be guaranteed that whichever club picks him up will be doing so on his terms. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

Have Jack Henry

38

Jack Henry

Age

27

Ht

192cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

142.6

2star

D

8.6

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

142.6

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

renegotiate his deal to $1 per year for 5 years.

Have Ollie Henry put a price on his head that captures his contract + whatever Jack used to be on before he renegotiated.

Take Ollie with Pick 58.

Simples.

 

[Shadow89]

Have Jack Henry renegotiate his deal to $1 per year for 5 years.

Have Ollie Henry put a price on his head that captures his contract + whatever Jack used to be on before he renegotiated.

Take Ollie with Pick 58.

Simples.

That is so brilliant lmao. Pretty sure the AFL would destroy us over something like that, but it would be incredible to see it happen, haha

 

[Cat Addict]

With GWS already having 3, 12, 5, 18, 19 ....


Just what sort of an influence will they have over this draft. ... I still do not get why they took 18 from us.

The have 3 mids going out, they want to trade up to the top 2 picks, with either Wce or North.

 

[And_ROOS]

I'm pretty sure you can put your own contract on your head. So if he felt the Pies were lowballing him anyway he can at least be guaranteed that whichever club picks him up will be doing so on his terms. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Henrys contract will state his club is required to play a minimum 9 matches in Geelong next season.

 

[Stokey]

The legend of Sav Down Back grows...

 

[Shadow89]

I'm so tired of this manufactured crap every year from the AFL and trade radio...seriously. It's like a soap opera with all the concocted drama. Just make it 5 days long and get the players where they need to go. Seriously, I'm so over it, lol

 

[Sky]

Will miss our catdog Dahlhaus. Seems like good bloke on trade radio

 

[And_ROOS]

Will miss our catdog Dahlhaus. Seems like good bloke on trade radio

I think as frustrating as guys like him and Higgins were on field, their conduct and professionalism around the club does wonders both for club morale (apparently everyone is big on Dahl) and they would have given our VFL team some really good role models for how to be good clubmen.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Henry won't be at the Pies, this is just some filler for the current dead airtime.

Question though, if he goes to the National Draft does that mean he has to sign a two year deal if a team like Hawthorn or Essendon snap him up before our pick at 25.

Dons won’t take Henry in the draft.
They will get Weiderman in and already have Harry Jones that plays a similar style as Henry.

I’d say he would get to us at 25 in the ND but it’s unlikely to get to that stage.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

I'm so tired of this manufactured crap every year from the AFL and trade radio...seriously. It's like a soap opera with all the concocted drama. Just make it 5 days long and get the players where they need to go. Seriously, I'm so over it, lol

Yep. That's all it is. The funny thing is I'd imagine some of these 'negotiations' and discussions between various clubs would have happened weeks ago. Particularly for clubs that didn't make finals.

It's not like clubs for a lot of deals / players only first discussed trade details on day 1 of the trade period.

It's all just a bit of theatrics to create drama and headlines to further promote AFL and keep the game in the headlines for as long as possible.

You could make the trade period run for only 3-days, nearly the same amount of deals would be done as in the 9-day time frame IMO

 

[Finknottle]

Yeah if he ended up being half as good as Menzel was before his injuries (seriously he was projecting as Stevie J 2.0 but with better hands), then that would be phenomenal. Needs to work on the defensive side of his game, but has a serious leap on him and a lot of tricks/agility - hence the Menzel comparison.

Daniel Menzel was one of the most best players Geelong has ever drafted. His skills were sublime. Only comparison on our current list would be Stengle.

 

[Finknottle]

Daniel Menzel was one of the most best players Geelong has ever drafted. His skills were sublime. Only comparison on our current list would be Stengle.

leave out most

 

[Stokey]

I think as frustrating as guys like him and Higgins were on field, their conduct and professionalism around the club does wonders both for club morale (apparently everyone is big on Dahl) and they would have given our VFL team some really good role models for how to be good clubmen.

I'd be happy for Dahl to run around in the 2s next year.