Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[chris9753]

Compensation pick.

If he leaves for band 1 money, we likely end up with something in the pick 14 range with our ladder position come the end of the season.

If he leaves, it's highly, highly likely that it's only because of a large pay-day which doesn't fit our pay structure....so that's how we'd expect it to play out if it .

Only true if we don’t recruit a free agent from another club.

Three possibilities if Tyson decides to leave:
1. We get compensation
2. We recruit a free agent from another club and lose compensation
3. We trade for a free agent from another club but keep compensation

 

[chris9753]

Only true if we don’t recruit a free agent from another club.

3. We trade for a free agent from another club but keep compensation

Although technically they wouldn’t be a free agent because they have chosen to not exercise their free status.

 

[Lana]

I agree on that but why do you think we wont get a r1.
He wont want to leave unless another club offers him over 750 in which case we are getting likely band 1 or band 2 at worst.

I think we’d get band 2. Band 1 inside 1st round Band 2 end of first round

 

[Jumping Jack]

All this hype about Bailey Smith. Not really a midfielder per se . Where do people suggest he fits in to our side? Not sure where he played at the dogs.

He would fill a gap we've had since Isaac Smith retired and Holmes went to half back. And he'd compensate for the lower output and lack of pure leg speed we have with Duncan.

 

[Jumping Jack]

For the record if we're chasing a high-priced midfield recruit I'd prefer Smith over Oliver.

Don't expend any oxygen worrying about Oliver. He is not on our radar and I'm told he never was. Club is not prepared to pay overs and carry that length contract, and there's some serious doubts about off field indiscretions that have gone some way to contributing towards Melbourne's issues.

Story out of Melbourne is that most of the senior players are done with him, and the final straw was how the club dealt with Oliver compared to the harder line they took with Smith. Smith is a popular player amongst the group and the double standards applied by the club have allegedly created a real rift.

 

[foxdog50]

I see your point, but i am sitting on the fence on this one.
Club will make the right decision that is in our best interests IMO.
On last years form he'd be lucky to have gotten more than 450-500k TBH.
This year. A contract year. Everything is falling into place for him to cash in.
If we lose him and get a 1st round compensation then so be it. Pick 8-12 will be fair compensation.
Most likely go or be swallowed up if we attain a few free/restricted agents as in Bailey Smith one would assume.

Hope you reply back to me as you still ignore me is your mail still that Bailey Smith is heading to Geelong?

 

[FootyLad0]

My question is, do we realistically see a scenario where we keep Stengle and also get Smith?

Alos, apparently Will Phillips is available, hasn't been given a shot at Norf.
Can't hurt to pluck young talent from elsewhere.

 

[moond0g]

This is the problem with people talking about going and getting in a couple of "elite" midfielders. Smith might become a good player but he isn't Danger or Cameron at their peak. On recent form he's not a midfielder and not elite.

Honestly feel we're at risk of doing a Hawthorn with O'Meara and Mitchell or Richmond with Taranto and Hopper if we desperately go for mids when there isn't much available.

If Smith is cheap (a late first rounder and not crazy salary) then fine. But otherwise I'd prefer to just go to the draft and accept we're likely looking at developing the team for the 2027-28 time frame rather than sell the farm to chase unlikely near term success.

I think with all the mature talent we have we want to both build for 2027-28 AND be competitive for flags for the next few years. If we don't think we're any chance of winning the next few years, we might as well tell Danger, Cuthrie etc. to retire. plus by 2027 Smith will only be 26 so will still be in his prime.

There are question marks over smith because he's spent all year out injured, and wasn't quite as good las year as previously because he played more wing/half forward. But what he was doing as a 20-21yo is better than anything Bruhn and Holmes have showed at the same age.

I also don't think those comparisons are fair. O'meara and Mitchell left as 28 and 30yo, so were clearly on the way down. and as much as people like potting Richmond because they doubled down on Hopper and Taranto when they were in decline, Taranto was actually very good for them last year.

Smith is only 23 and has already played elite football. We need reinforcements for the midfield and he's the best available, who can help both immediately and in the medium term. If we can get away with paying our first rounder this year alone, I'd be over the moon.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Story out of Melbourne is that most of the senior players are done with him, and the final straw was how the club dealt with Oliver compared to the harder line they took with Smith. Smith is a popular player amongst the group and the double standards applied by the club have allegedly created a real rift.

Popular because he was hooking them all up.

 

[sexyhunk]

Don't expend any oxygen worrying about Oliver. He is not on our radar and I'm told he never was. Club is not prepared to pay overs and carry that length contract, and there's some serious doubts about off field indiscretions that have gone some way to contributing towards Melbourne's issues.

Story out of Melbourne is that most of the senior players are done with him, and the final straw was how the club dealt with Oliver compared to the harder line they took with Smith. Smith is a popular player amongst the group and the double standards applied by the club have allegedly created a real rift.

unfortunately thats life, one is a bronwlow medal level player, the other barely best 22.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

The numbers aren't correlating...if it's not Oliver, it has to be somebody else.

I agree. I think the club should consider paying overs because once Tassie gets into the action, it's going to be very hard to get good players. So, just this time, pay someone overs just to get our team the help it needs to stay up the top. I have been hearing they have made an offer to Yeo from the WCE but the media is saying he won't come to the Cats as he'll get more money somewhere else. This is the problem. Time to stump up the cash, Cats, or else watch this team slide down to the middle of the ladder and mediocrity.

 

[Footy Smarts]

What's the plan then?

We likely have 8-12 players coming off the list this year, with one target in Smith, which will cost us our first pick one would think.

The numbers aren't correlating...if it's not Oliver, it has to be somebody else.

I struggle to see more than 10 off the list and it could be less than that. We took 10 draftees in 2016 across both drafts so it's not a crazy number to pick up.

We also only have 3 bottom aged players this year since we took Mannagh, Wiltshire, Humphries and Jeka all as mature aged. So bringing in 6-7 18 year olds and a couple of mature agers is very possible.

 

[Grimoz]

So according to this Stengle doesnt like Geelong itself and we would only be able to offer 600k and the bombers will offer him 800k, if any of that is true then he’s gone, given his past he will want to lock in that massive contract.

Rivals confident of luring star amid $800k offers; Hawk reportedly re-pledges loyalty: Trade Whispers

Cats brace for $800k raid as rivals circle star; gun responds to Roos link: AFL Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Re Smith the Bulldogs version never rated him at all - i reckon hes overrated by miles

Re Smith the Haw version , allways rated him , highly talented player with genuine pace and a booming left foot kick , delighted when the Cats recruited him - and he delivered

As for Oliver , seems a bit of a train wreck off the field , however when it comes to football ability and talent , he is miles better than B Smith in my opinion

Stengle had plenty of off field indiscretions at one point , hes got rid of that , and would be in our top 2-3 players at present

Holmes and Oliver in the midfield they have got athletic ability i think that is important , players like Bruhn they are hyped to the eyeballs on this forum , but they havent got that breakaway pace , 9 out of every 10 gun midfielders have

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He would fill a gap we've had since Isaac Smith retired and Holmes went to half back. And he'd compensate for the lower output and lack of pure leg speed we have with Duncan.

He would not play wing

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

We were fine when Gaz left and we will be fine if Stengles leaves

One player doesn’t make the club

I do agree but he'd be a huge loss if he maintains his current form.
Strong hands , seldom fumbles , super creative , terrific set shot and amazing goal sense - he's been very good from limited chances of late.
I have a big fear he'll end up at the Blues - he'd make a massive difference in that forwardline. Where's Eddie at these days???

 

[CatToTheFuture]

My question is, do we realistically see a scenario where we keep Stengle and also get Smith?

Alos, apparently Will Phillips is available, hasn't been given a shot at Norf.
Can't hurt to pluck young talent from elsewhere.

Don't see why it wouldn't be realistic

 

[moond0g]

So according to this Stengle doesnt like Geelong itself and we would only be able to offer 600k and the bombers will offer him 800k, if any of that is true then he’s gone, given his past he will want to lock in that massive contract.

Rivals confident of luring star amid $800k offers; Hawk reportedly re-pledges loyalty: Trade Whispers

Cats brace for $800k raid as rivals circle star; gun responds to Roos link: AFL Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

over a 4-5 year deal that's a million dollars he'd be leaving on the table. I wouldn't begrudge him for going, especially if he doesn't love living in Geelong itself.

But $600k seems light on for an AA forward. I know we don't overpay to retain players, but my initial thought is that it seems a bit low. Median wage this year is ~$450k, and they're saying it'll be $520k by 2027. He's much better than that.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

over a 4-5 year deal that's a million dollars he'd be leaving on the table. I wouldn't begrudge him for going, especially if he doesn't love living in Geelong itself.

But $600k seems light on for an AA forward. I know we don't overpay to retain players, but my initial thought is that it seems a bit low. Median wage this year is ~$450k, and they're saying it'll be $520k by 2027. He's much better than that.

He should get 800k a season , he is worth every cent of it , he currently is in our top 3 players without a shadow of doubt

If Geel have fecked up the books so much that they cant pay him 800k a year then they are a mob of dopes

 

[Footy Smarts]

If Geel have fecked up the books so much that they cant pay him 800k a year then they are a mob of dopes

Come on let's not believe obvious nonsense just cause it's salacious. We literally have 2 players contracted past 2026. Do you think we're playing Holmes and Stewart the entire salary cap?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

So according to this Stengle doesnt like Geelong itself and we would only be able to offer 600k and the bombers will offer him 800k, if any of that is true then he’s gone, given his past he will want to lock in that massive contract.

Rivals confident of luring star amid $800k offers; Hawk reportedly re-pledges loyalty: Trade Whispers

Cats brace for $800k raid as rivals circle star; gun responds to Roos link: AFL Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

The language of the article is wrong, but the premise could very well be correct.

We can easily offer him 800k+, that article makes it sound like there's a salary cap squeeze. There isn't.

What it comes down to is whether we value Stengle as an 800k+ player, or whether we'd rather use that money elsewhere.

Have to remember too that 800k at Geelong is a lot more than 800k elsewhere.

We don't tend to pay that even to players who you'd argue 'deserve' it on the open market.

It all comes back to that pay structure and always having enough left over in case a Bowes, Bruhn, Henry, Dangerfield, or Cameron wants to come on board.

 

[Sttew]

over a 4-5 year deal that's a million dollars he'd be leaving on the table. I wouldn't begrudge him for going, especially if he doesn't love living in Geelong itself.

But $600k seems light on for an AA forward. I know we don't overpay to retain players, but my initial thought is that it seems a bit low. Median wage this year is ~$450k, and they're saying it'll be $520k by 2027. He's much better than that.

Have we actually heard he doesn't like Geelong or the Surf Coast? He doesn't owe Geelong anything but should remember who gave him the lifeline and enabled him to become an All Australian premiership player. This is all posturing to ensure he gets the best possible deal at Geelong, IMO.

EDIT. St Kilda and Essendon touted as suitors. Enough said. If Essendon play finals they will face a salary cap squeeze, and St Kilda, pffft!!

 

[Grimoz]

The language of the article is wrong, but the premise could very well be correct.

We can easily offer him 800k+, that article makes it sound like there's a salary cap squeeze. There isn't.

What it comes down to is whether we value Stengle as an 800k+ player, or whether we'd rather use that money elsewhere.

Have to remember too that 800k at Geelong is a lot more than 800k elsewhere.

We don't tend to pay that even to players who you'd argue 'deserve' it on the open market.

It all comes back to that pay structure and always having enough left over in case a Bowes, Bruhn, Henry, Dangerfield, or Cameron wants to come on board.

The article does sound like its reaching and looking for signs that arent there but i wouldnt be surprised to see him leave although it would be a kick in the guts for Geelong considering they took a chance on him given his stuff ups.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Have we actually heard he doesn't like Geelong or the Surf Coast? He doesn't owe Geelong anything but should remember who gave him the lifeline and enabled him to become an All Australian premiership player. This is all posturing to ensure he gets the best possible deal at Geelong, IMO.

EDIT. St Kilda and Essendon touted as suitors. Enough said. If Essendon play finals they will face a salary cap squeeze, and St Kilda, pffft!!

He had plenty of options to go to and chose us. He won us a premiership on low contract.

He owes us nothing

 

[standupand]

I do agree but he'd be a huge loss if he maintains his current form.
Strong hands , seldom fumbles , super creative , terrific set shot and amazing goal sense - he's been very good from limited chances of late.
I have a big fear he'll end up at the Blues - he'd make a massive difference in that forwardline. Where's Eddie at these days???

His inclusion in our forwardline was the biggest difference to our scoring potency in 2022.

You often hear people on here saying we wouldn't have won 2022 without Cameron. For me it's Stengle.

It's not all about his individual brilliance, but the way his inclusion had our forwardline functioning, with the right balance of aerial and ground-level threats.