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It won’t be any ruckman we have linked ourselves
It will be some type of state listed ruckman who we take with our last pick in the draft
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It will be some type of state listed ruckman who we take with our last pick in the draft
GWS has the pick immediately before us, so the only way they'd pick swap to jump ahead would be to trade with us.
I don't think Hardie is going to be the ready-made midfielder we hoped he'd be. He might just be lucky that this year's draft is a weak one.
After two shots at it now... I think the concept for drafting for immediate need is unlikely to be of much benefit. We may as well load up with 2 or 3 unlucky 19 year olds that missed being drafted in our VFL team and draft from within
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Unfortunately i can't see a forward in Neale either.
His speed and mobility are his only real assets.
Forward footy nous i haven't seen.
Looks like another youngster who excelled as a U/18 ruckman due to his athleticism.
At 21 years old & 3 years at the club it is time for him to step up.
In one position or another.
Another square peg in a round hole scenario ??
FWIW I see him as a 2nd ruck come pinch hit forward.
Fingers crossed he masters one of those positions.
probably true.
But I can't see why GWS would agree to slide back one spot unless they're confident we're picking someone different to whoever they want (i.e., we're interested in different players). By the reverse logic, why would we bother paying a premium to go up the order one spot when whoever we're interested in would likely be there at our original pick anyway?
I'd take that Mannah guy ahead of Hardie every single day of the week as a mature ager on the list.
Bro is out here in the VFL having 30 and kicking 6 goals a few times... Hardie does not have that in him... not many do.
I think you just answered your own question.
I have serious concerns regarding physicality, the ease in which spuds like Frampton and Keath were pushing him under the footy is a real issue, cant just rely on athleticism like you can in VFL footy, hes a big boy already so I worry if its not in his game now it never will be.
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Ditto.
I don't even think we did that. Zane Williams was a skinny half-forwrad flanker in a team where Miers and Close were already playing well and Dempsey waiting for senior opportunities- surplus to requirements. We recruited him because we had no deficiencies anywhere and he was the best player still available. In 2023 what we clearly needed was a ruckman- Stanley's injury prone, Ceglar was perpetually broken down, Conway and Neale not ready, and Blicavs better used elsewhere. Sam Naismith was available; instead we went for a pretty vanilla midfielder.
My opinion is if you don't have an immediate need to fill, use the mid-season draft to recruit a very raw and young player who you'd maybe like to get at the main draft anyway and give him a few months' head start. If you're not going that direction, you want someone who you reasonably expect to play some senior footy. Someone to fill injury holes on your list. Wishy-washy picks like Williams and Hardie accomplish nothing.
Struggle to see him getting to us ..... when they start writing stuff like Silk 2.0 ..
North Melbourne and Hawthorn fans have lots to look forward to if their club lands Zane Duursma in this year’s draft. Here’s why the ‘unique’ talent is one of the most exciting players in the pool.
He doesn’t yet have his own signature goal celebration, like older brother Xavier’s famous arrow.
But in a football sense, Zane Duursma possesses as many weapons as a small army.
Described by talent scouts as a “really unique” player in this year’s AFL draft pool, there is little that Duursma can’t do.
Opposition sides in the Coates Talent League this season would put plenty of time into finding a way to limit his impact when preparing for games against Gippsland Power.
Few enjoyed even a mild level of success.
“He was never held goalless, even though most of the attention from the opposition goes to your No. 1 kid,” Gippsland talent manager Scott McDougal said.
“They plan around, ‘How do we stop Duursma?’ It’s nearly an impossible task because he runs quicker, jumps higher and is cleaner than 90 per cent of the competition.
“He can be death by a thousand cuts when he works his way through a game or he can just jump on you and kick quick goals.
“He’s a really professional kid who just shows up ready to get it done every day.”
Duurmsa trained with Melbourne last summer as part of the AFL Academy program, where his mentor was midfielder Jack Viney.
The boy from Foster — just north of Wilson’s Promontory — had entered this season hoping to similarly serve as a midfielder who could rotate forward.
However, it was quickly established that he was a player who would be most damaging forward of centre.
“Now that I look back on it, I think playing more forward is the right idea,” Duursma said.
“I think that half forward hit-up role is my go-to role and I think that’s hopefully where I’ll begin my AFL career.”
While they were dazzled by some of Duurmsa’s tricks, recruiters questioned his consistency at times in the first half of this season.
Few knew that he copped a bad corky during the AFL Academy game against Port Adelaide’s SANFL side in Gather Round and had also battled a chest infection through the early rounds of the season.
“I was struggling to breathe out on the ground sometimes,” Duursma said.
“But it came good in a couple of weeks.”
By the time Vic Country’s final match of the under-18 national championships against Vic Metro rolled around in mid-July, the 191cm forward had well and truly hit his straps.
Among many of the country’s top draft prospects — including Harley Reid and Nick Watson — he was a clear standout across half-forward at Princes Park that day.
Duursma logged 22 disposals, 10 marks, 15 score involvements, six score assists and kicked four goals to spearhead Vic Country to a 31-point win over its arch rival.
Champion Data had Duursma down for 191 SuperCoach ranking points, with the next best performer on the ground being Vic Country teammate Finn O’Sullivan with just 115 points.
“In the biggest game of the year he was the best player,” AFL talent ambassador Kevin Sheehan said.
“When it was on the line, he came out in that third quarter and just blew the game apart.
“He comes from nowhere at times and jumps straight across the front of the pack, from the angle. Not many can do that.
“He does some very unusual things at times that are freakish. That includes his goals and when he’s on-song he’ll kick multiples in a row.”
North Melbourne and Hawthorn fans have lots to look forward to if their club lands Zane Duursma in this year’s draft. Here’s why the ‘unique’ talent is one of the most exciting players in the pool.
He doesn’t yet have his own signature goal celebration, like older brother Xavier’s famous arrow.
But in a football sense, Zane Duursma possesses as many weapons as a small army.
Described by talent scouts as a “really unique” player in this year’s AFL draft pool, there is little that Duursma can’t do.
Opposition sides in the Coates Talent League this season would put plenty of time into finding a way to limit his impact when preparing for games against Gippsland Power.
Few enjoyed even a mild level of success.
“He was never held goalless, even though most of the attention from the opposition goes to your No. 1 kid,” Gippsland talent manager Scott McDougal said.
“They plan around, ‘How do we stop Duursma?’ It’s nearly an impossible task because he runs quicker, jumps higher and is cleaner than 90 per cent of the competition.
“He can be death by a thousand cuts when he works his way through a game or he can just jump on you and kick quick goals.
“He’s a really professional kid who just shows up ready to get it done every day.”
Duurmsa trained with Melbourne last summer as part of the AFL Academy program, where his mentor was midfielder Jack Viney.
The boy from Foster — just north of Wilson’s Promontory — had entered this season hoping to similarly serve as a midfielder who could rotate forward.
However, it was quickly established that he was a player who would be most damaging forward of centre.
“Now that I look back on it, I think playing more forward is the right idea,” Duursma said.
“I think that half forward hit-up role is my go-to role and I think that’s hopefully where I’ll begin my AFL career.”
While they were dazzled by some of Duurmsa’s tricks, recruiters questioned his consistency at times in the first half of this season.
Few knew that he copped a bad corky during the AFL Academy game against Port Adelaide’s SANFL side in Gather Round and had also battled a chest infection through the early rounds of the season.
“I was struggling to breathe out on the ground sometimes,” Duursma said.
“But it came good in a couple of weeks.”
By the time Vic Country’s final match of the under-18 national championships against Vic Metro rolled around in mid-July, the 191cm forward had well and truly hit his straps.
Among many of the country’s top draft prospects — including Harley Reid and Nick Watson — he was a clear standout across half-forward at Princes Park that day.
Duursma logged 22 disposals, 10 marks, 15 score involvements, six score assists and kicked four goals to spearhead Vic Country to a 31-point win over its arch rival.
Champion Data had Duursma down for 191 SuperCoach ranking points, with the next best performer on the ground being Vic Country teammate Finn O’Sullivan with just 115 points.
“In the biggest game of the year he was the best player,” AFL talent ambassador Kevin Sheehan said.
“When it was on the line, he came out in that third quarter and just blew the game apart.
“He comes from nowhere at times and jumps straight across the front of the pack, from the angle. Not many can do that.
“He does some very unusual things at times that are freakish. That includes his goals and when he’s on-song he’ll kick multiples in a row.”
I think we are almost in agreement. We had plenty of evolving deficiencies and as has been shown there were plenty of players in Vic we could have taken to develop long term... and in fact ... Bailey VH was on our list right in front of us. The concept of a MSD draft makes more sense to find a player missed or who has improved in value and will be picked be years end ... or a young delisted player who may have just been a bad match or a bad run of luck.
Either way... id prefer to look at adding 2 or 3 names to our VFL we like and we focus on them first and foremost before taking a player from another club especially an interstate one. I'm glad however we have given Hardie another year..I hope with a full preseason and without the disruptive mid season move he can show his worth. Good luck to him.
Maybe not, but Hardie was having 30+ and 2 goals in the SANFL this year.
That's not what I was suggesting. I meant they already have the pick in front of us, they can't squeeze ahead of us again unless they trade for our pick, i.e. we slide back or out of the draft.
My opinion is we shouldn't draft blokes just because we have a pick and an available list spot. Zane Williams was never going to get a game, and Hardie is looking the same.
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What's our predictions / info on Jai Clark this coming season... do we think he'll be in our round one squad ready to hit the packs or is he a long term prospect ?
Feel like he will be a major component in our rebuild.
Feel like he will be a major component in our rebuild.
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We got big furphy ! Sorted.
Agree foxdog50
Neale is still very young but has a great frame and will be a powerful unit eventually.
Even so I think he’s primarily a forward who could ruck in F50 as needed.
Shannon Neale being referred to as a ruckman gives me flashbacks to the description of the famous "Peter Street Stand" at the river end pocket................temporary and not very good.
Neale is not a ruckman, and just because he's tall doesn't mean he has a clue in that position. Tyson Stengle is small but it doesn't mean he's a gerbil.
I think at his height the line between forward/ruck and ruck/forward can be bluered once he is a bit older and puts on more weight and has years in the gym.
Would like to get as many games into him as possible next season. We need to fast track the development of him and Knevitt. Otherwise the hole that will be left with retirements in 2 years time will see us as a possible spoon contender with our current midfield.
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Thought Knevitt was pretty good this year in the games he played. He's one of those where you're not quite sure what his best position is. Wonder if he could play in the back line with his marking capability ?
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