Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Vdubs]

I said this a while ago but my mate is close with Butters. He wants to come. If Port don't do well this year he's gone If we can find the assets.

Butters is exactly the player we need. What do you see as those assets?
I would love Errol Gulden, but he will never be ours.

 

[thegerman]

Judging by responses, I think people are missing the point with Reid… We are going for him this year. I can’t emphasise that enough. We believe we can make it work and appease West Coast with a trade in 2025.

Also, I think a lot of people are assuming we just walk to top four. I sure hope we do. I hope we win it all. But we look one injury to an elite player away from tumbling down the ladder.

Our pick this year might be a lot more attractive than next year’s. We will wait and see.

Regardless, if Reid nominates us, his management gets behind the move… what leverage do West Coast have besides the contract? Is it smart to keep a young kid who is underperforming on your list for one more year and face the same issues? The picks we offer a year later might be worse. They might be affected from Tasmania as well, which will be on Eagle’s minds. And the rot in culture of having your poster boy
mope around the club and all the negative media attention it brings with it will be toxic.

Imagine Reid comes back even more underdone and “fat”. His attitude is worse again and goes out playing bad football. Young guys playing with him knows he won’t be there at year’s end. I don’t see what good that brings for anybody.

Does it mean we hold all the cards? No. Still a contract as stated but I just don’t know if I were in Eagles position how I would feel about it.

Now if they were competing like we were when we kept TK to honour his contract, I think everyone understands. But this is chalk and cheese.

This is a club who is putting out one of the worst 22 players in history, week in and week out and they know the situation could become increasingly volatile and they could hold on for one more year to take less. It’s a huge gamble.

And having said all this I still respect that moving someone like Reid is a massive deal but it’s not unprecedented.

JHF is a prime example of a similar situation.

What’s your best case trade offer though?

We make the finals, it’s likely pick in the 10-14 range after matching and earlier bids.

Unsure how this lands one of the best young talented players in the comp. Sure, we could piece together some 2nd and 3rd rounders at some point, but we’d need likely two actual first rounders to make it happen.

I don’t see it happening regretfully.

 

[FishGutz]

In your own view.... out of 100 , what do you think the chances Reid will be at Geelong next year?

Ohhhh put me on the spot here… hmmmm, I’m going to guess it at a 60% chance as it stands.

 

[#cats2021]

Ohhhh put me on the spot here… hmmmm, I’m going to guess it at a 60% chance as it stands.

Damn, love it. Appreciate all the updates mate, keep em coming!

 

[moond0g]

Also, Worpel is not a lock. But of course we’ve had conversations with him. Not sure what Sam is hearing to make him believe he’s a lock but nothing I’ve heard indicates he is a lock at all.

I don’t really rate Worpel that highly. If he came as our sole acquisition it would be awful. If he came with Reid, it could be fantastic. He’s a great fourth/fifth stringer through the midfield.

Furthermore, not a secret anymore that we are targeting Butters in 2026 after Clark reported it today. I feel more confident in our position than Bulldogs if that means anything this far out from the decision…

I'm pro Worpel if he's not on too much money. But I disagree about the highlighted, and to me this is the only concern. To me he is really useful as your 3rd best mid. If he's in your top 2, you've got issues because he's not that good. But he also needs to play full time inside mid which takes away time from others. So if we think he's going to be a 5th string mid, I'd rather not take him because he'll either

1. be a useless winger/half forward most of the time
2. take midfield time away from better players, or
3. he'll be playing VFL.

option 3 isn't the worst if he's not on much money as you need depth, which is why my level of interest is dependent on his salary.

 

[FishGutz]

What do you honestly think any trade for Reid this year would be. They will want at least 2 top 10 picks with one in the top 5 and no way can we get that. Next year is different as he won't be contracted. I just don't see it.

I think three first round picks and some added second rounders. We could maybe package some picks up to move up for them by involving other sides who are looking for points. I trust Wells and Mackie to pull it off.

The importance here is you mention next year is different, which is why they might shoot for this year. Kicks the rebuild 2.0 into gear earlier and with a better expected return.

 

[FishGutz]

I said this a while ago but my mate is close with Butters. He wants to come. If Port don't do well this year he's gone If we can find the assets.

Yep, I remember you being onto it early.

 

[FishGutz]

I'm pro Worpel if he's not on too much money. But I disagree about the highlighted, and to me this is the only concern. To me he is really useful as your 3rd best mid. If he's in your top 2, you've got issues because he's not that good. But he also needs to play full time inside mid which takes away time from others. So if we think he's going to be a 5th string mid, I'd rather not take him because he'll either

1. be a useless winger/half forward most of the time
2. take midfield time away from better players, or
3. he'll be playing VFL.

option 3 isn't the worst if he's not on much money as you need depth, which is why my level of interest is dependent on his salary.

Yeah I agree with point 1 for sure. I should explain as a fourth string mid, I could see him playing low TOG like Guthrie. 65% as pure mid but starting from the bench as a pure impact player and defensive. Only way I could see it working. Just mixing him through with the right mids.

 

[moond0g]

What’s your best case trade offer though?

We make the finals, it’s likely pick in the 10-14 range after matching and earlier bids.

Unsure how this lands one of the best young talented players in the comp. Sure, we could piece together some 2nd and 3rd rounders at some point, but we’d need likely two actual first rounders to make it happen.

I don’t see it happening regretfully.

2 first rounders still likely won't be enough unless one if them is in the top 2 I'd guess.

 

[Lingsface]

Have a look at Erasmus, Fin Mcrae, Robertson, Pedlar?

 

[PzBlinky]

Reid and Worpel would be massive…the ruck issue is still there but hopefully Conway comes good next year unless we get TDK and worpel …but I can not see us landing all three tbh

That'd be ideal, but I'd be equally happy with Butters and Worpel too, especially if we could get both of those RFA. Either way, we'd be a decent ruck away from having a first-class midfield (would be great if Conway got a good run).

 

[Mr Meow]

The only players I have ever seen had a team built around them are Dangerfield and Dusty. That’s a big call

It happens all the time.

Judd at Carlton (Cripps on version 2) and Ablett at Gold Coast. Just because they failed doesn't mean it wasn't tried.

Selwood and Hawkins basically had the post Thompson sides built around them.

Ablett Senior at Geelong. Carey at NM and Lockett at Sydney.

Franklin at Sydney, to a degree at Hawthorn.

Riewoldt at St Kilda a solid shout.

I think you can just about make cases for Hird, Buckley and Voss.

Pavlich at Freo and Goodes at Sydney. Cousins at West Coast? Petracca at Melbourne and Bont at Footscray probably.

 

[dazbroncos]

With Worpel in, delivery into our forward line would be from Holmes, Smith, Worpel, throw in a little Atkins and Dangerfield…I pray for Shannon Neale being on the end of that service .

Yeah Darren Jarmen that list ain’t.

Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

What do you honestly think any trade for Reid this year would be. They will want at least 2 top 10 picks with one in the top 5 and no way can we get that. Next year is different as he won't be contracted. I just don't see it.

Hypothetically I could only see a deal like we send a player and pay 50% salary for 2 years plus picks to offset the lower picks we’d have making it work this year.
however.. that player has to want to go and it has to be one suitable for WC to agree on and I’m not confident any of those factors would even play out individually.. let alone getting it together collectively.

Go Catters

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah Darren Jarmen that list ain’t.

Go Catters

Luckily Miers, Mannagh, Close, Stengle and Dempsey kick it inside 50 a fair bit too. Humphries hopefully gets more advanced field positioning over time. But we could still do with a midfielder that has the neat skills of peak Duncan, Guthrie or even Selwood (accepting that GAJ level is exceedingly rare).

That's where Butters would help. I've yet to see incredible field kicking or decision making from Reid - he has time though. Rowell is so-so in that area, albeit an absolute beast.

 

[Lana]

What I mean is there's usually two types of rebuilds.

The club decides they need to fix the engine, and find 3-6 high quality players.

Sydney and Melbourne embarked on these about 6 years ago, and it usually takes 2-4 years.

The other one is the full-scale approach, where you don't just need to fix the engine...you need a whole new car, and it's going to take a minimum of 5 years, probably closer to 10.

It's important to distinguish. There's a fair gap between the two.

We'll try the first, it isn't going to work

 

[iameviljez]

It happens all the time.

Judd at Carlton (Cripps on version 2) and Ablett at Gold Coast. Just because they failed doesn't mean it wasn't tried.

Selwood and Hawkins basically had the post Thompson sides built around them.

Ablett Senior at Geelong. Carey at NM and Lockett at Sydney.

Franklin at Sydney, to a degree at Hawthorn.

Riewoldt at St Kilda a solid shout.

I think you can just about make cases for Hird, Buckley and Voss.

Pavlich at Freo and Goodes at Sydney. Cousins at West Coast? Petracca at Melbourne and Bont at Footscray probably.

I disagree with most of that - Carey, Lockett, GAJ and Judd are good shouts, but the rest IMO just happened to be the best players at their club. It’s different to recruiting a ready-to-go centrepiece and then structuring a club around them, like we did with Dangerfield.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think three first round picks and some added second rounders. We could maybe package some picks up to move up for them by involving other sides who are looking for points. I trust Wells and Mackie to pull it off.

The importance here is you mention next year is different, which is why they might shoot for this year. Kicks the rebuild 2.0 into gear earlier and with a better expected return.

I get it but those first rounders will be too late (this year). Next year when he's ooc different story. He'd only be moving this year if it was a club with really high picks imo.

 

[Mr Meow]

I disagree with most of that - Carey, Lockett, GAJ and Judd are good shouts, but the rest IMO just happened to be the best players at their club. It’s different to recruiting a ready-to-go centrepiece and then structuring a club around them, like we did with Dangerfield.

I don't see why there would be a distinction between building a team around a gun recruit or jet draftee who shows A grade quality early (as many of those players did). They were absolutely central figures those teams were built around and at the very least you'd have to admit most were borderline cases at worst.

So yeah, a bit different to your "only Dangerfield and Martin" claim anyway. It happens a fair bit and we are looking for a gun midfielder regardless. It's just a matter of whether they play for us 5 or 10 years.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We'll try the first, it isn't going to work

You don't think we have enough pieces forward and back to just focus on the middle 3-4 players letting us down?

 

[fpm84]

Have a look at Erasmus, Fin Mcrae, Robertson, Pedlar?

Yes, no, yes, no. IMO.

 

[standupand]

We'll try the first, it isn't going to work

You really think that?

We've lost a lot of very good to GOAT players in the past few years and have still managed to contend deep into finals while bringing in young players who look likely from a mix of backgrounds.

The rebuild has already been happening for some years, and it doesn't look to me like failing.

 

[standupand]

I disagree with most of that - Carey, Lockett, GAJ and Judd are good shouts, but the rest IMO just happened to be the best players at their club. It’s different to recruiting a ready-to-go centrepiece and then structuring a club around them, like we did with Dangerfield.

Not sure what you mean. If anything Dangerfield was brought in because the club was kinda structured around Selwood. In the post GAJ, Bartel, Ling, Corey era, Selwood was the champion in his prime without a support cast. It coincided with a club philosophy of wanting to keep contending.

 

[gogeelongcats]

Should we consider Parfitt for mid-season draft.

We need to reinforce our midfield, and he is only 27 years of age.

It won't happen, but he would be getting a game right now.

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GEELONG premiership midfielder Brandan Parfitt

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Brandan Parfitt

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

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16.6

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

2.1

2star

T

4.8

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

7.8

5star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

is back on the AFL radar as a potential mid-season rookie recruit, with a host of clubs now eyeing the ex-Cat after his impressive start to the season in Western Australia.

Parfitt, who has been playing for WAFL side Perth this season, has got his body right after an injury-plagued end to his Geelong career and has subsequently returned to the sights of AFL clubs keen on midfield depth.

The 27-year-old is averaging 31 disposals per game and continued his stellar start to the year with another 34 touches in a best-on-ground performance as Perth easily accounted for East Perth last Saturday night.

Parfitt has been producing his solid block of form right under the noses of West Coast, who currently holds the No.1 pick in next month's mid-season draft and has a list vacancy having not filled its final spot across the summer.

A member of Geelong's 2022 premiership winning side, Parfitt played 130 games across eight seasons for the Cats but was delisted last year. He signed for Perth after a successful recent stint with Nightcliff in the NTFL. – Riley Beveridge

 

[FootyLad0]

Hawks fans on the James Worpel

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James Worpel

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.2

5star

HB

11.3

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

5.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

15.6

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.8

4star

thread seem to think if Worpedo is gone (linked by McLure for what that is worth to Geelong) then they must have an in on Zak Butters

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Zak Butters

Age

25

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

, Harley Reid, Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

etc.

Losing a player does not guarantee a replacement, it just leaves more cap to chase someone or re-sign their own guys wgho are in line for big paydays like Watson, Day etc..

Butters and Reid aren't going anywhere without a huge payday and a stack of trade assets coming back to those teams, Allen seems locked in on the Lions, Rowell is very likely to stay at GC

Makes you wonder if next off season is the one with lots of movement and this one will be a lot quieter moves.
Can't see Reid or Butters going while in contract, Rowell won't leave, TDK is probably 50/50

Reckon NAS, Bergman, Worpel and Allen will be guaranteed moves. Don't know how we get any deals for a big gun this offseason done but its Wells and Mackie.

They are good at making the right moves and being there when the rubber hits the road.