Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

Reid, Rowell, Butters, TDK....and now Worpel.

 

[goyoucatters]

Reid, Rowell, Butters, TDK....and now Worpel.View attachment 2300421

Indeed.

We'll pick up one of the first three listed here, at best. And I would think Worpel seems a decent chance to come as a free agent.

Apart from that, I don't see how TDK comes at all, given the magnitude of the other offers compared to ours.

Still, don't be sad.

#twooutoffiveaintbad

 

[My Tilly]

Reid and Worpel would be massive…the ruck issue is still there but hopefully Conway comes good next year unless we get TDK and worpel …but I can not see us landing all three tbh

Personally, I just want Harley. Couldn't care about the rest.

You build a team around Reid and once you get to the finals, those are the players that can win it off their own boot.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah I don’t disagree if we miss out on Reid/Rowell/Butters this year. Worpel comes in and is an improvement for sure. But I disagree that Reid will be able to come in 2026. We are having a full fledged swing at him this year and I believe it can happen. It changes the whole landscape for us if we pull it off.

Reid
Holmes
Smith
Atkins
Worpel?

I can live with that.

What do you honestly think any trade for Reid this year would be. They will want at least 2 top 10 picks with one in the top 5 and no way can we get that. Next year is different as he won't be contracted. I just don't see it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The belief is if we don’t have the pieces to force a trade, Port will take the compo. The matching of a RFA has only been triggered twice. Both times for us when we’ve had assets. The belief is a club won’t match if the other club doesn’t have assets, which were better than the compo…

Keeping a player against his will isn’t something most clubs will want to do and creates a flow on effect of issues for players. If players feel like a club has the potential to hold them hostage then player managers will be very, very reluctant to deal with said clubs. It’s the proverbial shooting yourself in the foot. It’s a delicate industry where players have too much power now.

The bottom line is if Port don't finish bottom 4 next year (who knows under a new coach) then they aren't accepting compo for Butters. No list manager is taking like p11 for him unless they want to be sacked. So in that scenario he will either pick a club that has the trade assets or he will stay there (reluctantly or otherwise). Worpel is a different case re the club not matching as he's a lower class of player and hawthorn's list has other priorities. But there's no realistic scenario where Butters doesn't get matched imo.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

JUH didn't have Hawk in front of him and he was also the number one pick, so yep, he was going to get games earlier. You can play VFL to it comes out your ears, the learning really starts when you start playing AFL so games played at that level matters. If it didn't then you wouldn't be hearing about "getting games into x" and "they need 50 plus games at senior level before they get any consistency". Regardless, saying he's a bust is just a stupid statement. I look forward to it coming back to haunt you over the next decade.

I hope you are absolutely right and i would be delighted to be haunted by that ghost.

Again, you are claiming development 100% comes from games when you are trying to compare a 22 yo and a 18-19yo playing games, it is not a realistic comparison when one has had an extra 2-3 years of full-time coaching, training, and conditioning than the other at an elite level. Apples and oranges.

What Neale has shown in his fourth year is concerning. He is barely touching the footy and is not even averaging a goal a game.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So we could hypothetically have soon... The previous two rising star winners ( if osullivan gets up) and two prior no1 picks join us ( JUH + Reid)

The future aint lacking talent for this group...

 

[Stab Pass]

I hope you are absolutely right and i would be delighted to be haunted by that ghost.

Again, you are claiming development 100% comes from games when you are trying to compare a 22 yo and a 18-19yo playing games, it is not a realistic comparison when one has had an extra 2-3 years of full-time coaching, training, and conditioning than the other at an elite level. Apples and oranges.

What Neale has shown in his fourth year is concerning. He is barely touching the footy and is not even averaging a goal a game.

JUH played his 27th game in his 3rd season and had kicked 31 goals. Neale played his 27th game in his 4th season and has kicked 29 goals. So basically they are about dead even at this stage in their careers, JUH getting to 27 games a season earlier. Had JUH had Hawk and Cameron ahead of him in his first year do you reckon he would have been getting games? And Neale is averaging a goal a game and he's 4th in the competition for contested marks as a forward this year. But hey, he's a bust. Perhaps it would help to get your facts right if you are going to write a guy off.

 

[standupand]

The bottom line is if Port don't finish bottom 4 next year (who knows under a new coach) then they aren't accepting compo for Butters. No list manager is taking like p11 for him unless they want to be sacked. So in that scenario he will either pick a club that has the trade assets or he will stay there (reluctantly or otherwise). Worpel is a different case re the club not matching as he's a lower class of player and hawthorn's list has other priorities. But there's no realistic scenario where Butters doesn't get matched imo.

But free agency is still free agency, no? There's little point matching anything unless they can first convince him to stay.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

JUH played his 27th game in his 3rd season and had kicked 31 goals. Neale played his 27th game in his 4th season and has kicked 29 goals. So basically they are about dead even at this stage in their careers, JUH getting to 27 games a season earlier. Had JUH had Hawk and Cameron ahead of him in his first year do you reckon he would have been getting games? And Neale is averaging a goal a game and he's 4th in the competition for contested marks as a forward this year. But hey, he's a bust. Perhaps it would help to get your facts right if you are going to write a guy off.

He has played 7 games this year and kicked 5 goals. Last time i checked, that wasnt an average of 1.

 

[iameviljez]

Personally, I just want Harley. Couldn't care about the rest.

You build a team around Reid and once you get to the finals, those are the players that can win it off their own boot.

The only players I have ever seen had a team built around them are Dangerfield and Dusty. That’s a big call

 

[Stab Pass]

He has played 7 games this year and kicked 5 goals. Last time i checked, that wasnt an average of 1.

How many goals has JUH kicked this year? At 27 games they are as good as a dead heat. Was JUH a bust after 27 games?? After 7 games in 2023 JUH had kicked 8 goals, 5 of those against Brisbane. He had failed to score in 4 of those 7 games. Bust? Dud? Showed nothing?

 

[Lana]

Our list decision must be dictated by where we sit relative to contention for a premiership.

I think we're almost pre-rebuild, we just haven't realised it yet. I see nearly zero in the tank were we can extract further output from. At this point I think it would be terrible to investing too much into a single target. If a FA is avaible is see no issue in grabbing it. I'm reluctant to overly invest resources into a single target. I wouldn't touch our future 1st round picks.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Our list decision must be dictated by where we sit relative to contention for a premiership.

I think we're almost pre-rebuild, we just haven't realised it yet. I see nearly zero in the tank were we can extract further output from. At this point I think it would be terrible to investing too much into a single target. If a FA is avaible is see no issue in grabbing it. I'm reluctant to overly invest resources into a single target. I wouldn't touch our future 1st round picks.

That depends on what you classify as a rebuild, too.

 

[Strange Cat]

Our list decision must be dictated by where we sit relative to contention for a premiership.

I think we're almost pre-rebuild, we just haven't realised it yet. I see nearly zero in the tank were we can extract further output from. At this point I think it would be terrible to investing too much into a single target. If a FA is avaible is see no issue in grabbing it. I'm reluctant to overly invest resources into a single target. I wouldn't touch our future 1st round picks.

Don’t forget we have some potential academy kids and F/S over the next few years which could migrate the loss of the future picks and even Tassie diluting the draft even further

It’s not all bad

 

[Lana]

That depends on what you classify as a rebuild, too.

Not all rebuilds are going to be equal, without some Dangeresque deal, our will probably be drawn out, by the time our list management accepts it could be quite ugly.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Our list decision must be dictated by where we sit relative to contention for a premiership.

I think we're almost pre-rebuild, we just haven't realised it yet. I see nearly zero in the tank were we can extract further output from. At this point I think it would be terrible to investing too much into a single target. If a FA is avaible is see no issue in grabbing it. I'm reluctant to overly invest resources into a single target. I wouldn't touch our future 1st round picks.

Don't know about that. If we fix our midfield we're in the window for a couple years while Danger and Jeremy are playing. But still have a good young core so not in a dangerous fall off the cliff position like Collingwood.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

How many goals has JUH kicked this year? At 27 games they are as good as a dead heat. Was JUH a bust after 27 games?? After 7 games in 2023 JUH had kicked 8 goals, 5 of those against Brisbane. He had failed to score in 4 of those 7 games. Bust? Dud? Showed nothing?

Wait i got it wrong and i assume you delberately went along with it.. But neale was drafted in 2020 crop and his first year was 21... This is his 5th season in the system not fourth...

So neale player game 27 in season 5, not season 4....

Juh and shannon neale are miles apart in terms of talent and outcomes.

Shannon neale is not even close to matching JUH’s 3rd or 4th year output in his 5th season.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Not all rebuilds are going to be equal, without some Dangeresque deal, our will probably be drawn out, by the time our list management accepts it could be quite ugly.

What I mean is there's usually two types of rebuilds.

The club decides they need to fix the engine, and find 3-6 high quality players.

Sydney and Melbourne embarked on these about 6 years ago, and it usually takes 2-4 years.

The other one is the full-scale approach, where you don't just need to fix the engine...you need a whole new car, and it's going to take a minimum of 5 years, probably closer to 10.

It's important to distinguish. There's a fair gap between the two.

 

[thegerman]

Worpeedo as a FA is a fantastic plug and play for us.

He is an upgrade on Bruhn.

Chances are we could be saving some extra cap room if Bruhn's finger is really bad.

Maybe that is budgeted in with potentially getting Worp, maybe we already had budgeted for Worp and all of Bruhn's salary is bonus $$$ to help put towards a dip at TDK.

Getting Worpel should stop us from needing to go down the Oliver direction for a big-bodied grunt mid.

With all the talk of these elite players linked to us, getting just Worpel would be a bit of a let down... but still better than nothing as a FA and then maybe next year is the year we land a Reid or Butters.

Bruhn’s finger .

I doubt he’ll play again, it’s not the finger.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Also, Worpel is not a lock. But of course we’ve had conversations with him. Not sure what Sam is hearing to make him believe he’s a lock but nothing I’ve heard indicates he is a lock at all.

I don’t really rate Worpel that highly. If he came as our sole acquisition it would be awful. If he came with Reid, it could be fantastic. He’s a great fourth/fifth stringer through the midfield.

Furthermore, not a secret anymore that we are targeting Butters in 2026 after Clark reported it today. I feel more confident in our position than Bulldogs if that means anything this far out from the decision…

I said this a while ago but my mate is close with Butters. He wants to come. If Port don't do well this year he's gone If we can find the assets.

 

[Vdubs]

Because Reuben is far more physically developed than Clark (afl ready body) and yet can't get games in the worst midfield in the comp and turns the ball over more often than not when he does. At least Clark has the excuse of his body not being ready yet.

I do like philipou but he's not a Geelong type of player with his FIGJAM stuff.

But Bailey Smith is?

 

[allrighty]

He has played 7 games this year and kicked 5 goals. Last time i checked, that wasnt an average of 1.

Round it up and it is

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Bruhn’s finger .

I doubt he’ll play again, it’s not the finger.

He knows, we'd all just rather avoid what is a pretty disgusting topic.

 

[Vdubs]

The only players I have ever seen had a team built around them are Dangerfield and Dusty. That’s a big call

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