Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

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So are people here going to accept that Geelong doesn’t sit on it’s hands and will go after Marshall this offseason?

That’s now Cleary, Twomey and Tom Morris (who for the second time) who has said Cats are going after him. This after Marshall basically gave this answer to Cleary…

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It’s the answers players give when somethings up.

Until Conway and Edwards are healthy and can prove they can play heavy AFL level minutes week to week, Geelong will bring in players to maximise our window of competing.

I don't think there is any doubt that we're going after him. The only doubt is A, the Saints willingness to let him go and B. What they seek in return for a contracted player.

I would love him for our first and a late pick/late pick shuffle. Let's hope SOS plays the game. Honestly if we get him and Worpel, it improves us next year, particularly Marshall obviously.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

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Geelong excitement machine Ollie Dempsey has already won a Rising Star as a forward and is thriving as an attacking wingman in 2025, and the next step of his evolution may see him join Bailey Smith and Max Holmes in the midfield.

Dempsey wants to be thrown into the engine room in the future to become an even more versatile option for coach Chris Scott.

This year Scott has deployed Dempsey on a wing and given him licence to surge forward to provide an attacking threat, a shift that has seen the Cats reap the rewards.

The dynamic 22-year-old has thrived in the unique role with 24 goals, many of those from inside 20 metres, in 18 games – ranked third at Geelong behind Jeremy Cameron and Shannon Neale – and highlighted his forward half-impact against St Kilda in his 50th AFL game with 10 score involvements, six score assists and a goal.

Dempsey said the Cats coaching staff have raised the possibility of moving him inside and that he will strive to hone his craft, with assistant coach and former Cats premiership star James Kelly working closely with him.

“Definitely, (inside midfield is) another string I can add to my bow, and I definitely can keep working on that,” Dempsey said.

“And that’s what the end goal I think is – just to add that, along with the wing stuff and the forward stuff, (so) Scotty can use me wherever he needs.

“And I think I’m continuously working at that, and it might be a few years or even next year, but just continued growth in my game in that area, and something that definitely they’ve (the coaching staff) been talking about.

“I haven’t really pushed it at all, but I definitely want to keep working on it so when they want me in that position, then I’ll be ready.

“So I’m just sort of doing stuff behind the scenes, James Kelly’s been really good for me with just craft sort of stuff.

“And it’s something that I think down the track definitely will be something that I’ll strive towards and hopefully have an impact on me.”

Wonder if that's why we are looking at Lawson on the wing?

 

[cats_09]

Don't we need to turnover at least 3 list spots?

If that's the case then you just need to work your way down the list and see who's future most likely hangs in the balance. Whichever way you look at it you still land on the same few names.

• Knevitt
• C Guthrie
• Duncan
• Wiltshire
• Clohesy
• Pike

Pike is a rookie - moving him on won't count towards the minimum 3 ND selections, and he'd only need to be moved on if we wanted to free up a rookie spot

Clohesy is potentially still a CatB rookie this season, and if that's the case retaining him would require elevating him to the primary list. What teams used to be able to do, and not sure if the AFL has changed things is that you could count rookie list elevations as one of your 3 list changes in terms of draft selections - it used to be that you had to use a draft selection for rookie elevations but the AFL removed that requirement and allowed them to automatically happen. So it's just whether or not with that change, the elevation still counts in the 3 list changes

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

I think people misinterpret that with Dempsey a bit. When he finds himself in a 1v1 on the wing he tries to outsmart his opponent but when he misjudges whatever move he makes, it doesn't look great. His style unsurprisingly is more like a basketball point guard trying to make a steal with quick hands.

I don't necessarily think you can use that to discount what he could eventually do at stoppages. As he said, behind the scenes Kelly is doing a lot of work to help Dempsey develop that niche craft. Along with a couple more years in the gym that may mean we see it more in 2027/2028 rather than next year. I think it has potential further down the track though.

With Knevitt I don't see the tricks, ball skills, X factor or composure to generate winning plays. And at AFL level he can't find enough of the footy. A completely different prospect to Dempsey.

Great observations.
Elite basketballers have fantastic spatial awareness , decision making , ability to generate angles and pass to advantage.
Doing it all in congestion is what they do - that was my role but unfortunately , Unlike Pendles and Dempsey , I was nowhere near elite

 

[CatToTheFuture]

West is pretty classy with the ball. I'd be surprised if Clohesy develops that.

Ben Keays is maybe a better comparison but I don't know that Ted has his running ability.

Personally I see him like Parfitt. Super competitor who does a lot right but his disposal is a massive weakness in today's game of much more precise ball use than 10 years ago.

Yeah actually Keays is a better comparison and also a great player. I think he has a lot more mongrel in him than Parfitt. Needs to be more consistent and take his opportunities at senior level either way

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I can't see why we need to delist either of them, they both have traits that could be developed into AFL players (what a pity we can't transfer Ted's attitude into Knevitt's bigger body!)

I'd keep both of them ahead of Wiltshire (can't see an AFL player there) and Cam Guthrie (sorry, but how long can we wait in hope).

Especially in what is not an ideal draft to go hunting teenagers

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Pike is a rookie - moving him on won't count towards the minimum 3 ND selections, and he'd only need to be moved on if we wanted to free up a rookie spot

Clohesy is potentially still a CatB rookie this season, and if that's the case retaining him would require elevating him to the primary list. What teams used to be able to do, and not sure if the AFL has changed things is that you could count rookie list elevations as one of your 3 list changes in terms of draft selections - it used to be that you had to use a draft selection for rookie elevations but the AFL removed that requirement and allowed them to automatically happen. So it's just whether or not with that change, the elevation still counts in the 3 list changes

The three players at the draft thing is a huge driver.

Imagining a scenario where we land Marshall and Worpel, clohesy and Mullin need to be upgraded to senior list. That's 4 spots plus 3 draftees for 7 total out from the senior list.

Less controversial:
Duncan
Guthrie
Bews (for real this time)

More controversial:
Stevens
Whiltshire
Bruhn (no further comment)
Conway (traded, i hope not)
Clohesy (traded, not my preference)

Delist and re-rookie?
Stanley?

I posted more than 7 due to certain unknowns that will not be explored further

 

[cats_09]

The three players at the draft thing is a huge driver.

Imagining a scenario where we land Marshall and Worpel, clohesy and Mullin need to be upgraded to senior list. That's 4 spots plus 3 draftees for 7 total out from the senior list.

Less controversial:
Duncan
Guthrie
Bews (for real this time)

More controversial:
Stevens
Whiltshire
Bruhn (no further comment)
Conway (traded, i hope not)
Clohesy (traded, not my preference)

Delist and re-rookie?
Stanley?

I posted more than 7 due to certain unknowns that will not be explored further

This is the frustration with no longer needing to use the draft to upgrade rookies and not really getting clarity around when a player has been upgraded as I'm not sure if we would have needed up upgrade one of them last year due to bringing in Cillian Burke

As Burke would likely also be a CatB rookie, would we be limited with how many we can have to 2 CatB rookies or are teams permitted 2 Irish CatBs and a local CatB at the same time?

That could have an impact on how we approach the list side of things

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This is the frustration with no longer needing to use the draft to upgrade rookies and not really getting clarity around when a player has been upgraded as I'm not sure if we would have needed up upgrade one of them last year due to bringing in Cillian Burke

As Burke would likely also be a CatB rookie, would we be limited with how many we can have to 2 CatB rookies or are teams permitted 2 Irish CatBs and a local CatB at the same time?

That could have an impact on how we approach the list side of things

I'm sure the club knows but a little transparency here would really take fans along for the ride

I've also said "we'll have plenty of spots" in regards to Worpel but now I'm a little concerned about a list crunch

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I'm sure the club knows but a little transparency here would really take fans along for the ride

I've also said "we'll have plenty of spots" in regards to Worpel but now I'm a little concerned about a list crunch

Crazy to think that we've effectively been down two list spots all year, and yet there's still going to be some unlucky names getting the chop with this squeeze.

You wouldn't think you could have both of those.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Oh yeah he's gone for sure.
No way is he taking a backseat from starting Ruck to full time forward.

That's why i'm hoping Rowan Marshall pushes hard for us and we offer up a 2nd rounder at most which SOS has to begrudgingly accept because he wants to spend 1.7M on a shiny new toy Ruckman completely dogging the current one he has who had to work his ass off to win starting Ruck role.

He's guaranteed that starting job if he comes here, with TDK coming in, they aren't paying him 1.7M a year to play as a forward who rucks like Carlton have been doing recently to meh results.

RoMa could be an absolute steal for the right price. That way we aren't relying on Rhys and we can continue to develop Toby Conway, Mitch Edwards etc until RoMa is ready to pass on the starting gig.

SOS doesn't have to accept anything they will just keep him while disgruntled and contracted.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm sure the club knows but a little transparency here would really take fans along for the ride

I've also said "we'll have plenty of spots" in regards to Worpel but now I'm a little concerned about a list crunch

We have plenty of spots we can find. We have retirees and fringe players that will look for new homes (eg clohesy knevitt etc) Plus rookies like Wiltshire that we can delist if needed.

 

[FootyLad0]

SOS doesn't have to accept anything they will just keep him while disgruntled and contracted.

How does that work paying 850k to sit him in the forward line full time or plopping him the VFL because he’s not a forward?
They aren’t paying 1.7M to play TDK as a key forward lol

If they can get value now before he goes OOC they’d be smart to capitalise on it before they lose him for much much less than they’d get while in contract. And Cats will turn around and say “Take it or no deal”

If Marshall says “trade me to the Cats” his best move is to get what he can before Marshall walks anyway. He GONE

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The three players at the draft thing is a huge driver.

Imagining a scenario where we land Marshall and Worpel, clohesy and Mullin need to be upgraded to senior list. That's 4 spots plus 3 draftees for 7 total out from the senior list.

Less controversial:
Duncan
Guthrie
Bews (for real this time)

More controversial:
Stevens
Whiltshire
Bruhn (no further comment)
Conway (traded, i hope not)
Clohesy (traded, not my preference)

Delist and re-rookie?
Stanley?

I posted more than 7 due to certain unknowns that will not be explored further

This is easy.
Duncan bews Guthrie goodbye.
Either knevitt or clohesy will ask for a trade (possibly both)
Goodbye Wiltshire (bruhn will stay due to contract club won't touch that)
Possibly pike or ivisic goes.
Stanley either retires or goes to the rookie list.

All of the above gives you 6 senior list spots.
Worpel, Marshall, elevate mullin/Ted and take 2 picks done.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

How does that work paying 850k to sit him in the forward line full time or plopping him the VFL because he’s not a forward?
They aren’t paying 1.7M to play TDK as a key forward lol

If they can get value now before he goes OOC they’d be smart to capitalise on it before they lose him for much much less than they’d get while in contract.
If Marshall says “trade me to the Cats” his best move is to get what he can before Marshall walks anyway. He GONE

It works because they have so much cap space they can barely hit the cap floor. They will tell Marshall he picks a club with better picks or he's stuck there. There's no point them moving Marshall unless they get good picks (better than ours) or unless they have another top tier player to clear his wage for but no such players want to go there.
Marshall can't walk he's contracted for 2 years.

 

[FootyLad0]

It works because they have so much cap space they can barely hit the cap floor. They will tell Marshall he picks a club with better picks or he's stuck there. There's no point them moving Marshall unless they get good picks (better than ours) or unless they have another top tier player to clear his wage for but no such players want to go there.
Marshall can't walk he's contracted for 2 years.

I’m not saying it will happen because that requires all parties to be on board and there’s always moving parts, what I did say was the club is interested. That is absolutely true, we don’t know just “how” interested Rowan is but he did nothing to shut down the rumours when he very easily could have.
Jon Ralph and Moneyball put out an article on Saints behalf saying “we aren’t trading him”

But we’ve heard those exact words before with contracted players, and they’ve ended up at another club the next year.
It’s a wait and see.

 

[cats_09]

Jon Ralph on Oliver

• zero interest from any other club
• Oliver would need to take a significant pay cut of at least $500k
• clubs are looking to the future with players like Butters and saving money for players other than Oliver and simply don't want to use salary cap space on him

 

[Strange Cat]

Jon Ralph on Oliver

• zero interest from any other club
• Oliver would need to take a significant pay cut of at least $500k
• clubs are looking to the future with players like Butters and saving money for players other than Oliver and simply don't want to use salary cap space on him

Don’t forget that sweet sweet index that would make a pay cut irrelevant

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Jon Ralph on Oliver

• zero interest from any other club
• Oliver would need to take a significant pay cut of at least $500k
• clubs are looking to the future with players like Butters and saving money for players other than Oliver and simply don't want to use salary cap space on him

Melbourne (and its fans celebrated) the decision to force clarry to stay.

they made their bed, they can now sleep in it.

 

[Johanpetro]

Amazing Melbourne had an easy out with Clarry wanting Geelong and vice versa. Stubbornness is gonna cost them dearly. I’m sure after his season he’s had we won’t be having the same convo with them end of season.

 

[Reg Hickey]

Don’t forget that sweet sweet index that would make a pay cut irrelevant

That could easily be taken out in a renegotiation, no?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

That could easily be taken out in a renegotiation, no?

Maybe, but you're asking a lot. He's playing like a 500k player these days, and owed an average of 1.6m for five more years.

He won't go down to 500k, so even if you meet in the middle and say we'll offer you a new deal at 800-900k, that's still way too much, and he'd have to agree to it too.

The whole thing is screwed. I seriously doubt we'd entertain it even if it was Bowes esque.

 

[Strange Cat]

That could easily be taken out in a renegotiation, no?

Doubt it , would mean the whole contract would have to be torn up and not just a pay cut

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Jon Ralph on Oliver

• zero interest from any other club
• Oliver would need to take a significant pay cut of at least $500k
• clubs are looking to the future with players like Butters and saving money for players other than Oliver and simply don't want to use salary cap space on him

Absolutely zero surprise

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Amazing Melbourne had an easy out with Clarry wanting Geelong and vice versa. Stubbornness is gonna cost them dearly. I’m sure after his season he’s had we won’t be having the same convo with them end of season.

Amazing that it was not only an easy out but the second bite of the cherry to get rid of him with Adelaide keen not only on his contract but also willing to give up picks 2 years ago