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[Giant Strides]

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[Orange crush]

Apolgies then. I am not SOS. I just think that trading up is not the best way to go as you have to pay a" tax" of about 20% points wise to do so . The best results are from trading into the future, where you get rewarded for accepting a player one year later, sometimes well very rewarded as we did with Callaghan and probably will as well with the Pick for Hopper.

Yep future trading has been great, but you can’t always do it and sometimes you need to identify the guy you think will work best and take the 20% tax hit …. Cadman seems that guy

 

[Giant Strides]

I just think that trading up is not the best way to go as you have to pay a" tax" of about 20% points wise to do so . The best results are from trading into the future, where you get rewarded for accepting a player one year later, sometimes well very rewarded as we did with Callaghan and probably will as well with the Pick for Hopper.

I certainly agree that GWS has been wasteful with their picks at times by trading up (and losing overall value in doing so) to get "the best pick/kid", which certainly hasn't always worked out for us. Like everything, though, it's never a 100% vs 0% split - sometimes you do it because you perceive the risk-reward quotient is worth it. (Not that it necessarily will turn out that way.)

Yep future trading has been great, but you can’t always do it and sometimes you need to identify the guy you think will work best and take the 20% tax hit …. Cadman seems that guy

If Sheezel didn't present as such a flight risk, I would speculate that we might have taken the punt. But with the narrowing tunnel of most guys at the pointy end perceived as flight risks, and the concurrent need for a long-term KPD, I can understand why they did what they did. We did pay overs IMHO though.

The irony would be if Gruzewski ended up as the guy who solved our KPF problem! (i.e. the guy most of us asked "why did we draft him?")

 

[Orange crush]

Cadman and the Gru … glad we got both

 

[PaythePerryman]

We also can't just keep taking mids and half backs.
At some stage you gotta take KPP.
The sooner you do it. The sooner they develop which aligns with our teams older mids hitting their peak.
Sure. Future trades are good but you can't always do it and you don't always retain value. You could do it forever waiting for the 'perfect' pick that doesn't exist.
At this stage I'm viewing the Cadman pick as the right move in that draft.
Who did you want a 12?
Sure we might have picked up a decent player...but we might also have lost Cadman.
They made sure in a decisive move.
If you lose that way....I'm okay with it...
If they gambled a future star full forward on a pick 12 prospect....I'd be pissed.

 

[GWS Goose]

On trading up, 2 of the "trade ups" that are discussed weren't about trading up, but around academy picks.

In 2016 where we trade up to 2 (originally from 7) but via 3 and ended with Taranto.
That trade was all about getting ahead of the Setterfield bid (which came at 4 and was expected to be 3 with Taranto not being picked before it) and accumulating points for Setterfield, Perryman and Cumming, not so much about getting to Taranto. That was very smart trading.

This one, I've heard mentioned a lot recently in the trade up to Ash. We effectively used 2 first rounders (Essendon's Pick 6 and a future first) to get pick 4.
The thinking with this at the time was that both Sydney and Adelaide were interested in bidding on Green which would have soaked up pick 6 anyway. Green ended up going 10, but having already used our first rounder may have influenced that bid. The idea was effectively swapping our 2020 first rounder for pick 4.

Both of those were lauded as excellent trades at the time.

Green sliding to 10 makes you think maybe we didnt need to trade the future pick to get it, but doing what they did was the percentage play.

 

[PaythePerryman]

On trading up, 2 of the "trade ups" that are discussed weren't about trading up, but around academy picks.

In 2016 where we trade up to 2 (originally from 7) but via 3 and ended with Taranto.
That trade was all about getting ahead of the Setterfield bid (which came at 4 and was expected to be 3 with Taranto not being picked before it) and accumulating points for Setterfield, Perryman and Cumming, not so much about getting to Taranto. That was very smart trading.

This one, I've heard mentioned a lot recently in the trade up to Ash. We effectively used 2 first rounders (Essendon's Pick 6 and a future first) to get pick 4.
The thinking with this at the time was that both Sydney and Adelaide were interested in bidding on Green which would have soaked up pick 6 anyway. Green ended up going 10, but having already used our first rounder may have influenced that bid. The idea was effectively swapping our 2020 first rounder for pick 4.

Both of those were lauded as excellent trades at the time.

Green sliding to 10 makes you think maybe we didnt need to trade the future pick to get it, but doing what they did was the percentage play.

Green probably only slid to 10 because clubs knew they wouldn't get him but I hear your point.
Also this is a very succinct and we'll put together summation of what actually happened with those picks.

 

[GWS Goose]

Green probably only slid to 10 because clubs knew they wouldn't get him but I hear your point.
Also this is a very succinct and we'll put together summation of what actually happened with those picks.

if we had to use pick 6 to Green, sides may have been more likely to bid.

 

[Colonial]

I listened to this. I am not terribly impressed.
He is basically whinging.
I don't think the bidding system is holding GWS back, or stopping players from choosing AFL.
We need to stop stuffing up our picks.
Some clubs didn't even have Cadman in their top 10. We wasted picks 12 and 15 this year.

Putting effort into WS would be a good start, instead of the “look at our home grown in Canberra and Riverina areas etc.

 

[sydney_gws]

Western Sydney is difficult though. You only have to look at the Premier AFL Sydney competition, I think almost all the clubs are in Swans zone ( 7 of the 9, only West Coast in Rouse Hill and Pennant Hills are in our academy zone, I am not sure about Pennant Hills though).

 

[dlanod]

Pennant Hills

They're in Hornsby Shire, so Swans academy zone. They'd draw a bit from Baulkham Hills and Parramatta councils so they could conceivably have Giants' zoned players there.

 

[Orangeutan]

This morning while watching Ch 7 we saw the rarest of things - a TV ad for the Giants v Saints game.
Orange army and Orange tsunami mentioned. Good to see.

 

[Gigantic]

This morning while watching Ch 7 we saw the rarest of things - a TV ad for the Giants v Saints game.
Orange army and Orange tsunami mentioned. Good to see.

Hopefully we can draw a decent crowd - if Toby plays this week that will be his 200th game

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Hopefully we can draw a decent crowd - if Toby plays this week that will be his 200th game

You would think we will crack 10,000. Saints are playing very well, and baring a catastrophe against Collingwood, we have been very competitive in all our games under Kingsley.

 

[Gigantic]

In case anyone is interested you can claim 4 free tickets for friends for the home game vs St Kilda next Sunday

Rd 10: GWS GIANTS v St Kilda GIANTS Stadium

Check out this promotion!

gwsgiants.spinzo.com

 

[Orangeutan]

In case anyone is interested you can claim 4 free tickets for friends for the home game vs St Kilda next Sunday

Rd 10: GWS GIANTS v St Kilda GIANTS Stadium

Check out this promotion!

gwsgiants.spinzo.com

Thanks for the heads up. I've offered these to my work friends and they've already been claimed.

 

[Hendo_21]

'Everyone's journey is different': O'Halloran

Xavier O'Halloran has emerged as an X-factor for the GIANTS in 2023.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

XO got a write-up, still not sure how real it is considering everything else we've seen in his career but he's been super effective in this half forward as of late and if this continues he's someone that should be getting a contract extension. High pressure numbers, goals and real effort have been so crucial in this hot streak of his.

 

[PaythePerryman]

'Everyone's journey is different': O'Halloran

Xavier O'Halloran has emerged as an X-factor for the GIANTS in 2023.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

XO got a write-up, still not sure how real it is considering everything else we've seen in his career but he's been super effective in this half forward as of late and if this continues he's someone that should be getting a contract extension. High pressure numbers, goals and real effort have been so crucial in this hot streak of his.

He's become a completely different player....it's crazy. Love it.
Big job this week on a large stage. Hopefully he can hack it.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

info on the indigenous jumper we will be wearing for the next two games

Our Jumper Ngurra: Explained

Hear from Leeanne Hunter, the artist of our 2023 Indigenous Jumper, Ngurra.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

 

[MelbourneGWS]

The special boots Toby that will be wearing for the indigenous round and what the symbols mean.

The Story Behind Toby Greene's Boots For SDNR

Designed by Maddie Reyter from Springwood High School and hand-painted by Zoe Cassim, Toby Greene has revealed his boots for Sir Doug Nicholls Round.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

 

[DowJone23]

You would think we will crack 10,000. Saints are playing very well, and baring a catastrophe against Collingwood, we have been very competitive in all our games under Kingsley.

Yep, should be a good game and given its Toby's 200th, you'd hope the faithful show up. He deserves it

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Yep, should be a good game and given its Toby's 200th, you'd hope the faithful show up. He deserves it

Agree it should be a good game, but it’s Toby’s 199th as he didn’t play last week. Unfortunately, his 200th will be against Geelong in Geelong and not in front of a home crowd.

 

[DowJone23]

Agree it should be a good game, but it’s Toby’s 199th as he didn’t play last week. Unfortunately, his 200th will be against Geelong in Geelong and not in front of a home crowd.

that sucks. Regardless, the team has been competitive and deserve a good showing

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Well deserved accolade for an inaugural Giant who has played the most games in history for us, and who has captained us the most.

Ward Receives AFL Life Membership

Callan Ward has been recognised for his contribution to the AFL.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Cogs is going to have a baby girl! But nice to see that Jeremy Cameron

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and Finlaysons are both keeping in touch with him.

Million-dollar AFL player and new wife share special family news: ‘Blessed’

‘The best thing that’ll ever happen for you.’

7news.com.au

 

[Giant Strides]

This covers a pretty wide area of discussion, but is quite interesting:

Marking out history — how to take a speccie with Harry Himmelberg

From Jesaulenko to Modra, Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson, take a deep dive into the art of the speccie, including a chat with the man who's hot favourite to take out this year's mark of the year.

www.abc.net.au