Gibbs is now a Crow

[John Who]

His interrupted pre-season is definitely showing. He will come good.

I sure hope so! We really need all our main mids to be firing to be a serious contender this year. And by that, I also hope Greenwood and Gallucci return to their in-form state.

 

[Tex200]

Not sure why people are hating on Gibbs. He’s part of a midfield that’s getting plenty of ball and generating plenty of opportunities.

The reality is that JJ, Tex and Betts all stink at the moment. Lynch marginally better than that.

 

[Bicks]

Not sure why people are hating on Gibbs. He’s part of a midfield that’s getting plenty of ball and generating plenty of opportunities.

The reality is that JJ, Tex and Betts all stink at the moment. Lynch marginally better than that.

His kicking once touted as elite has been horrendous this season for someone of his supposed calibre. A lot of those turnovers under little or no pressure.

 

[Tex200]

His kicking once touted as elite has been horrendous this season for someone of his supposed calibre. A lot of those turnovers under little or no pressure.

Plenty worse than him. Plenty.

He’s the least of our worries.

 

[Bicks]

Plenty worse than him. Plenty.

He’s the least of our worries.

You think his 11 turnovers, 6 clangers against Geelong, a lot of those disposals under little or no pressure is acceptable for Bryce. FMD I don't.

 

[Tex200]

You think his 11 turnovers, 6 clangers against Geelong, a lot of those disposals under little or no pressure is acceptable for Bryce. FMD I don't.

Never said he was perfect.

Do you honestly want to track back and trawl through every players garbage over the last 3 weeks?

Or continue to cherry pick some stats of 1 player to suit?

 

[Bicks]

Never said he was perfect.

Do you honestly want to track back and trawl through every players garbage over the last 3 weeks?

Or continue to cherry pick some stats of 1 player to suit?

Well by me Gibbs' season 2019 has been a major disappointment, especially given what we gave up for him and the expectations most of us had.

 

[Scorpus]

Well by me Gibbs' season 2019 has been a major disappointment, especially given what we gave up for him and the expectations most of us had.

You'll have to add him to the enormous pile of major disappointments that include 3/4 of the side

 

[Tex200]

Well by me Gibbs' season 2019 has been a major disappointment, especially given what we gave up for him and the expectations most of us had.

The major disappointment has been the form of our forwards.

They’ve been atrocious.

Isolating one player from an area of the field that has been functioning reasonably well, then taking a dump on him is pretty poor form IMO.

Do you want to talk about the precious Brad with his 8 clangers and 8 turnovers? Or Keaths 13 turnovers in R1?

No of course not. It’s pointless as they’re not the problem.

 

[Bicks]

The major disappointment has been the form of our forwards.

They’ve been atrocious.

Isolating one player from an area of the field that has been functioning reasonably well, then taking a dump on him is pretty poor form IMO.

Do you want to talk about the precious Brad with his 8 clangers and 8 turnovers? Or Keaths 13 turnovers in R1?

No of course not. It’s pointless as they’re not the problem.

Neither Crouch or Keath have ever been touted as having the elite foot skills or as being as skillful as Gibbs to my knowledge.

 

[Tex200]

Neither Crouch or Keath have ever been touted as having the elite foot skills or as being as skillful as Gibbs to my knowledge.

What’s your point?

He hasn’t been at his best. Wow ... very astute.

Apart from 1-2 no one has been.

When we won a game he was 23 possessions at over 82%. Reasonable I would have thought.

Even against the Cats his 17 effective disposals was equal 4th highest in the side. But yeah it was totally his fault.

 

[1970crow]

His interrupted pre-season is definitely showing. He will come good.

He’s a liability at present, we’d be better off if he got up to speed in the SANFL or the training track. We just love running senior players into the ground by playing them when they’re struggling physically. We have just learned that Sam “I thrive on continuity and massive workload” Jacobs has been carrying a knee for more than a season. These peanuts have had so many opportunities to learn but they never do.

 

[beartoo]

Right back at ya

Nah, you're the one spouting bs about what he's earning. I'm calling you on it. HTF do you know? Hacking his bank account?

 

[1970crow]

Plenty worse than him. Plenty.

He’s the least of our worries.

There’s really not in terms of clangers, he stands apart a bit there.

 

[1970crow]

The major disappointment has been the form of our forwards.

They’ve been atrocious.

Isolating one player from an area of the field that has been functioning reasonably well, then taking a dump on him is pretty poor form IMO.

Do you want to talk about the precious Brad with his 8 clangers and 8 turnovers? Or Keaths 13 turnovers in R1?

No of course not. It’s pointless as they’re not the problem.

Brad’s had 10 clangers for the 3 rounds, half of them against the Swans. And he’d probably be our biggest possession winner.

 

[Tex200]

Brad’s had 10 clangers for the 3 rounds, half of them against the Swans. And he’d probably be our biggest possession winner.

He averages 3.3, Gibbs 3.7. Sloane also 3.3. Funny thing about being in the midfield - you tend to be under pressure.

Oh and it’s Alex Keath out on his own on this stat.

 

[Tex200]

Brad’s had 10 clangers for the 3 rounds, half of them against the Swans. And he’d probably be our biggest possession winner.

Brad had 20 effective possessions v Geelong. Gibbs had 17.

One is the King and one needs a run in the 2’s?

 

[1970crow]

He averages 3.3, Gibbs 3.7. Sloane also 3.3. Funny thing about being in the midfield - you tend to be under pressure.

Oh and it’s Alex Keath out on his own on this stat.

True, but he had what will probably be a massive outlier in round 1. Composure with ball in hand and execution is what got him in ahead of Harto. Bryce is meant to bring elite delivery but he was terrible on Thursday. He was all but disinterested in round 1 but was definitely neat with the ball at the SCG. He’s basically rolling around as our 4th most important mid at the moment. I’m not all over him because that’s where I said he’d be when we all argued incessantly about how much of a failure it was to not get him at end of 2016. He’s a solid B grader that throws in the odd A+ game here and there. But you’re right, apart from our mids hitting up defenders, our forward’s complete lack of effort to create contests is what is causing us the most grief. It’s been this way for since 2016, but didn’t matter as much because we weren’t worked out until 2017. They’re now a liability and we’d probavly be better off dropping the 4 specialist forwards and going with 4 extra mids. They’re that bad when not being served unpressured ball. At least mids will work for it.

 

[John Who]

True, but he had what will probably be a massive outlier in round 1. Composure with ball in hand and execution is what got him in ahead of Harto. Bryce is meant to bring elite delivery but he was terrible on Thursday. He was all but disinterested in round 1 but was definitely neat with the ball at the SCG. He’s basically rolling around as our 4th most important mid at the moment. I’m not all over him because that’s where I said he’d be when we all argued incessantly about how much of a failure it was to not get him at end of 2016. He’s a solid B grader that throws in the odd A+ game here and there. But you’re right, apart from our mids hitting up defenders, our forward’s complete lack of effort to create contests is what is causing us the most grief. It’s been this way for since 2016, but didn’t matter as much because we weren’t worked out until 2017. They’re now a liability and we’d probavly be better off dropping the 4 specialist forwards and going with 4 extra mids. They’re that bad when not being served unpressured ball. At least mids will work for it.

I think both the forwards and the forward entries have been issues need modifying. Our number of scoring shots suggest we matched it with the Cats in going offence, just poor application/clangers by the forwards, or the forward entries are at spots where the forwards are at much more pressure to apply their trade.

 

[John Who]

Brad had 20 effective possessions v Geelong. Gibbs had 17.

One is the King and one needs a run in the 2’s?

Gibbs was the worst of the main mids regarding output relative to clangers. Also he did appear to be very laconic in the last match. Brad had some howlers as well, but you can see he played with great intensity throughout the whole game.

I agree though that the forwards deserve more criticism.

 

[fmurphy30]

Sorry to intrude on the issue of what Gibbs earns - I don't know specifically but I can give some insight. I know one of his relatives but please don't take that to mean I know everything.

Carlton was a bit dirty on the first trade request in 2016 as (1) it never intended to trade him (2) his former manager was at the Crows and knew what he was earning and (3) he was two or three years into a five year contract at the time - 5 years/$3 million or thereabouts - with a significant amount of that paid in the first two years.

Couple of things: Gibbs was likely to earn much less in his last two years of the Carlton contract and the Blues were a bit dirty on this and your inside knowledge of it. His contract was re-negotiated when he signed with you and this was likely to give him a sum more consistent with a fair four years of service. I have no idea of the figures, but it is conceivable he MIGHT have got more over the four years than he was set to earn in his last two at Carlton (having received most of it already). Nothing sinister in all of that.

The reason for the move is not controversial. Gibbs himself did not want to go, his wife did. This was due to the birth of their child and her desire to be closer to parents and support networks, which is understandable. Gibbs is still on good terms with the players at Carlton and was happy to stay but understanding of his partner's wishes. It's fair to say he might also have sensed a chance to play in a flag. FWIW, I was very disappointed to lose him but you have to understand there is more to life than football and I accept the reasons.

I was sorry to see him go. I think he was and remains a very good player. Sometimes underrated (if possible for a No 1 pick) as his work in close and his tackling can be very good for a guy often (unfairly) criticised for a lack of courage. His durability and consistency should not be dismissed. His foot skills can be good but they are a bit overrated.

Gibbs' best footy is played in the centre square. He is an excellent clearance player, though some of his kicks can be indiscriminate. The Blues squandered too many years using him off half back. Yes he is a reasonable user of the footy and can set up from there but he is best used as a pure midfielder. Given you have considerable competition in the middle, it leaves you in a bind on that but it's a good problem to have.

Also think Gibbs is a footy head who will play as long as he can. Barring injury problems, he could play 350 games plus. Don't be surprised if he is still running around in five years.

 

[Dixie Normous]

Never thought the club's balls would be big enough to drop him - especially this early in the season. A big signal to the rest of the group, maybe?

 

[Vhaluus]

Not sure why people are hating on Gibbs. He’s part of a midfield that’s getting plenty of ball and generating plenty of opportunities.

The reality is that JJ, Tex and Betts all stink at the moment. Lynch marginally better than that.

Getting plenty of the ball is only half their job, the other half is making good entries into the forward 50 and in that regard they have been PUTRID.

 

[Cleric]

Well, when you have to drop your star recruit his second year in after trading away your future for him, you have to ask some questions.

 

[BRL121]

Well, when you have to drop your star recruit his second year in after trading away your future for him, you have to ask some questions.

I have a theory that there is something wrong with him physically, apart from form. I suggested this after JLT2. Nothing much has changed since then, but he doesn't look as well as he should.