Goodes' return to Subi.

[danstar]

I was in 106 in the back row booing seemed to be coming from above me i just yelled oh shut up it seemed to die down after awhile i did however reserve my loudest boo of all when he kicked for goal does that make me racist? I dont think so i really resent all the PC crap that says the whole club is a bunch of racists cause of a small minority

 

[PapaJ]

I wasn't at the game, so I'm glad to hear the real story (as oppose to any general big footy or media beat-up). So it seems that there was a small but still significant and vocal minority that booed early, but it faded as the game went on. Sounds like it was patchy throughout the stadium, but if you were close enough to certain sections, it was very clear - and as already said, the effects mic must have been close to some sources because it came through pretty clearly even though you could tell it wasn't the whole stadium or the majority (despite Tim Watson having a baby over it).

Either way, it faded out as the game went on and, at least in some small part, with the help of fans in the crowed telling people to stop it.

I know that it shouldn't happen at all, but the fact that the majority get it or are at least restrained enough if they don't is good. Further, there were quite a few who made the point of putting people in their place. That's fantastic and well done to all of you. I know some of you (myself included) where really disheartened that it happened at all, but in the scheme of things, I think we can be proud that the majority didn't and we had fans brave and strong enough to tell others to pull their heads in.

Of course that's not the angle the certain sensationalist media types will take, but **** them, they just look to make things worse for their own ends. Well done to the majority of Dockers fans and the club. I'm going to focus on the positive and remain proud!!

 

[Lethality]

I know that it shouldn't happen at all, but the fact that the majority get it or are at least restrained enough if they don't is good.

That's assuming there's anything to 'get' about not booing in the first place, and that they aren't just being threatened into submission by threats of evictions, being pelted with eggs, getting into fights with other supporters.

I'm of the opposite opinion to yours. I applaud anyone who had the courage to boo and not get sucked into the Channel 7 groupthink that all booing is racist. Nothing against Adam, he's just the pawn in all this, but I hope the booing continues so that the statement is made that supporters will not be cowed or told who and what they are and how to behave within acceptable boundaries.

 

[yoong]

That's assuming there's anything to 'get' about not booing in the first place, and that they aren't just being threatened into submission by threats of evictions, being pelted with eggs, getting into fights with other supporters.

I'm of the opposite opinion to yours. I applaud anyone who had the courage to boo and not get sucked into the Channel 7 groupthink that all booing is racist. Nothing against Adam, he's just the pawn in all this, but I hope the booing continues so that the statement is made that supporters will not be cowed or told who and what they are and how to behave within acceptable boundaries.

Goodes played well and fairly on Saturday. There is absolutely no excuse to boo him at all.

 

[Lethality]

Goodes played well and fairly on Saturday. There is absolutely no excuse to boo him at all.

No excuse is required.

 

[kickett puches read]

Point is - there is clear intent to boo Goodes and not others. And there can be no doubt that PART (quite significant part) of that is to do with his race. It's not a specific point BECAUSE he is Aboriginal, if that were the case they wouldn't want MJ/Walters/etc playing for Freo. It is more to do with distaste for his advocacy, and for his raising of issues within contemporary Australia. On this:
1. These issues he raises partly due to his Aboriginality.
2. There is a general view of how an Aboriginal person 'should' act in certain situations. You see it in statements like: "I just don't like the way he goes about it". "He is playing the race card". etc. Some Aboriginal people don't want to be confrontational or as public about these issues - that is their prerogative and their right. But it is also Goodes' prerogative and right to do the opposite.

But people do that to ballas and Crowley.... Maybe I'm an idiot like others have suggested.... But I don't see the booing of Goodes as any different to what Ballantyne gets... I just don't.


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[kickett puches read]

Goodes played well and fairly on Saturday. There is absolutely no excuse to boo him at all.

So what are your thoughts on Ballantyne getting booed? Are you just against booing in general... Because it's been a part of the game since it started.

I have no doubt there are racists out there booing him because they are racist, I also have no doubt in my mind that more people boo him because they think he is dickhead like many think the same of Ballantyne


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[Marty Whitelaw]

Geez he played well!

 

[Schauermann]

Goodes played well and fairly on Saturday.

Well, but for the wrong team. Have never really analysed or thought much about booing, but doesn't it sometime just happen when opposition (expecially better known players) get the ball? Anyway, think the importance of the whole matter is overrated...

 

[yoong]

So what are your thoughts on Ballantyne getting booed? Are you just against booing in general... Because it's been a part of the game since it started.

I have no doubt there are racists out there booing him because they are racist, I also have no doubt in my mind that more people boo him because they think he is dickhead like many think the same of Ballantyne


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The difference is everyone came out and said that if you boo Goodes it will be perceived as a racist gesture.

What is more important to you?
a) the right to boo an individual player.
b) the reputation that Fremantle (and AFL) supporters are an inclusive and non-racist group.

 

[danstar]

can not believe what rubbish I just seen, had TT on in the background while doing things on the net and heard a report come on about Saturday. We just got lumped in with the eagles as the worst fans in the country. What complete and utter bullshit do these morons think they can say, the people booing on Saturday were clearly freagles but now cause of them we are the worst fans in the country. I hope wet toast get belted by 100 points and choke so hard on there complete and utter arrogance and moronic behavior

 

[samFFC]

Well their opinion is different from yours, it's not about getting through to them, they obviously just see the issue differently.

It's not about getting through to them, you're just assuming that your point of view is right for some reason. And the booing has obviously continued.

So if someone is a bigot they are just "seeing things differently"?

 

[samFFC]

But people do that to ballas and Crowley.... Maybe I'm an idiot like others have suggested.... But I don't see the booing of Goodes as any different to what Ballantyne gets... I just don't.


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I'm not sure if serious? Assuming you are:

Ballantyne and Crowley have been booed because they play with their heart on their sleeve and are perceived to push the boundaries of what is fair in the game.

Goodes spoke out about racism, won Aust of the Year and did a traditional war dance during Indigenous round and has been booed.

Does that describe the difference?

 

[samFFC]

So what are your thoughts on Ballantyne getting booed? Are you just against booing in general... Because it's been a part of the game since it started.

I have no doubt there are racists out there booing him because they are racist, I also have no doubt in my mind that more people boo him because they think he is dickhead like many think the same of Ballantyne


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So there are racists who are booing Goodes? Because they are racist.
But it should continue?

Pardon?

 

[holy diver]

Goodes played well and fairly on Saturday. There is absolutely no excuse to boo him at all.

As he was an opposition player when he was taking a set shot on goal ... or is Goodes now the only opposition player taking set shots you are not allowed to boo?

The home crowd did it - were we wrong?

 

[AAACockburn]

Just face it people, Goodes can't handle his booze.










I will see myself out..

 

[samFFC]

As he was an opposition player when he was taking a set shot on goal ... or is Goodes now the only opposition player taking set shots you are not allowed to boo?

The home crowd did it - were we wrong?

Discussed extensively in this and other threads.
No issues with that.
Booing because he is a player not because he is Goodes.

 

[danstar]

Just face it people, Goodes can't handle his booze.










I will see myself out..

this is why we are tarred with the brush of worst supporters in the AFL

 

[holy diver]

this is why we are tarred with the brush of worst supporters in the AFL

are you serious?

 

[Lethality]

So if someone is a bigot they are just "seeing things differently"?

Read again, they see the issue differently to what you do. You see it as bigoted behaviour, they do not. There is no hard and fast law that says booing = racism, regardless of what Andrew Pridham or Ross Lyon say.

 

[samFFC]

Read again, they see the issue differently to what you do. You see it as bigoted behaviour, they do not. There is no hard and fast law that says booing = racism, regardless of what Andrew Pridham or Ross Lyon say.

That is an argument you can use to justify anything really. Doesn't make it so.

 

[Lethality]

That is an argument you can use to justify anything really. Doesn't make it so.

Only to justify normal crowd behaviour, you certainly couldn't use it to explain acts of racial vilification.

 

[salim malik]

Only to justify normal crowd behaviour, you certainly couldn't use it to explain acts of racial vilification.

Haven't Hawthorn's site got a thread on this .Wouldn't you be better of arguing your trash over there.

 

[samFFC]

Only to justify normal crowd behaviour, you certainly couldn't use it to explain acts of racial vilification.

Cool so can't use the argument in this case.

 

[Lethality]

Cool so can't use the argument in this case.

Yes you can, booing isn't in and of itself villification.