News Goodwin Sacked - has taken his big book of LEARNINGS to Sydney

[netslave]

Got 3 mins in before I stopped watching, still talking about processes and how we were close to turning the corner.
Delusional.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Dude's next attire should be a straight- jacket not another footy polo.

"Simon, a padded cell awaits"

 

[Lampers]

One interesting thing I noticed yesterday is that Goodwin has pinned the loosening skin of his jawline behind his ears. It’s funny how vain/self-conscious people on television can be. I always have a soft spot for the ones that just let it go.

Now that you've pointed that out I can't un-see it.

He's always been vain. He was on the gear at Essendon for those reasons, and his hair has gone from clearly thinning to not a few times.

 

[Dancing Potato]

One interesting thing I noticed yesterday is that Goodwin has pinned the loosening skin of his jawline behind his ears. It’s funny how vain/self-conscious people on television can be. I always have a soft spot for the ones that just let it go.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen and I really wish I hadn't seen it.

 

[Proper Gander]

Now that you've pointed that out I can't un-see it.

He's always been vain. He was on the gear at Essendon for those reasons, and his hair has gone from clearly thinning to not a few times.

Essendon was peculiar even before the drug program. Partner PG’s son worked at the club. Hird and Goodwin made a big thing of actually doing the training with the team - time trials, the lot. The idea was to set standards for training and show they were all in it together, but I feel like there was a big element of ego wanting to show the rookies that they still had what it takes.

A very strange look especially with Bomber using the time to slope off and smoke **** outside the fire escape.

 

[Proper Gander]

That actually means “smoke cigarettes” but it got bleeped out because I’m from ACT and the slang for cigarette is an otherwise offensive term.

 

[tomcruise]

That actually means “smoke cigarettes” but it got bleeped out because I’m from ACT and the slang for cigarette is an otherwise offensive term.

You should be right to use pole without censorship.

 

[Simon_Says]

I want to know at what point he went from showing animation in the coaches box when TMac kicks the game winner vs WC in WC.
And turned into the monotonous Robot we saw for so long

 

[MarcMaverick]

I want to know at what point he went from showing animation in the coaches box when TMac kicks the game winner vs WC in WC.
And turned into the monotonous Robot we saw for so long

He was replaced by an android doppelganger.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Not watching that clip. But more than one thing can be true. Goodwin is a premiership winning coach. Statistically from a W/L point of view he looks like a very successful coach.

However, he was handed over a finals ready list by Roos and by the end of his ninth season will have missed more finals series than taken part of. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won a final at the MCG since 2018. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won overseen four years of linear decline yet has done very little either from a selection point of view or tactical/strategic point to change it up. As has been said, he’s full of shit calling this a transitional year when apart from Pickett he’s not really doing anything different through the middle. Petty up forward continues to be a joke and old favourites like Salem and Sparrow continue to get a blank cheque at selection.

If he were starting Trac forward, giving the midfield keys to the likes of Rivers, Pickett and Windsor and playing the likes of Woewodin, K Brown, Sestan and Culley while dropping underperforming stars - he would have had some credibility and probably time to turn it around.

I’m forever grateful for 2021 and nobody can really take that away from him but 2 great years out of 9 with the seven others being disappointing probably suggests he’s not a great coach.

 

[Topkent]

Essendon was peculiar even before the drug program. Partner PG’s son worked at the club. Hird and Goodwin made a big thing of actually doing the training with the team - time trials, the lot. The idea was to set standards for training and show they were all in it together, but I feel like there was a big element of ego wanting to show the rookies that they still had what it takes.

A very strange look especially with Bomber using the time to slope off and smoke **** outside the fire escape.

Dunno if you've noticed bucks in a tight t shirt but letting himself go isn't how I'd describe it either

 

[Proper Gander]

Dunno if you've noticed bucks in a tight t shirt but letting himself go isn't how I'd describe it either

No indeed.

I’ve no problem at all with someone who wants to stay fit and healthy. Great for them long term.

 

[schmuttt]

Not watching that clip. But more than one thing can be true. Goodwin is a premiership winning coach. Statistically from a W/L point of view he looks like a very successful coach.

However, he was handed over a finals ready list by Roos and by the end of his ninth season will have missed more finals series than taken part of. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won a final at the MCG since 2018. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won overseen four years of linear decline yet has done very little either from a selection point of view or tactical/strategic point to change it up. As has been said, he’s full of shit calling this a transitional year when apart from Pickett he’s not really doing anything different through the middle. Petty up forward continues to be a joke and old favourites like Salem and Sparrow continue to get a blank cheque at selection.

If he were starting Trac forward, giving the midfield keys to the likes of Rivers, Pickett and Windsor and playing the likes of Woewodin, K Brown, Sestan and Culley while dropping underperforming stars - he would have had some credibility and probably time to turn it around.

I’m forever grateful for 2021 and nobody can really take that away from him but 2 great years out of 9 with the seven others being disappointing probably suggests he’s not a great coach.

Spot on. End of 2016 he inherited the most exciting list in the league to start his coaching career, now he has to rebuild/regenerate it and he has NFI. He can waffle on about 2019 all he wants but that year we were a writeoff due to a horrific injury run, that wasn't genius coaching by him to get us back up it was just natural progression of the playing group.

 

[Proper Gander]

Not watching that clip. But more than one thing can be true. Goodwin is a premiership winning coach. Statistically from a W/L point of view he looks like a very successful coach.

However, he was handed over a finals ready list by Roos and by the end of his ninth season will have missed more finals series than taken part of. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won a final at the MCG since 2018. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won overseen four years of linear decline yet has done very little either from a selection point of view or tactical/strategic point to change it up. As has been said, he’s full of shit calling this a transitional year when apart from Pickett he’s not really doing anything different through the middle. Petty up forward continues to be a joke and old favourites like Salem and Sparrow continue to get a blank cheque at selection.

If he were starting Trac forward, giving the midfield keys to the likes of Rivers, Pickett and Windsor and playing the likes of Woewodin, K Brown, Sestan and Culley while dropping underperforming stars - he would have had some credibility and probably time to turn it around.

I’m forever grateful for 2021 and nobody can really take that away from him but 2 great years out of 9 with the seven others being disappointing probably suggests he’s not a great coach.

Good summary. I have no argument with this at all.

Who knows who gets to be our next coach but I’m happy to roll the dice rather than double down yet again on something that is clearly failing. I would have liked to see this step a few years ago but it’s spilt milk now.

 

[Proper Gander]

Spot on. End of 2016 he inherited the most exciting list in the league to start his coaching career, now he has to rebuild/regenerate it and he has NFI. He can waffle on about 2019 all he wants but that year we were a writeoff due to a horrific injury run, that wasn't genius coaching by him to get us back up it was just natural progression of the playing group.

Yeah the 2019 to 2021 narrative has always been bollocks

 

[Proper Gander]

Spot on. End of 2016 he inherited the most exciting list in the league to start his coaching career, now he has to rebuild/regenerate it and he has NFI. He can waffle on about 2019 all he wants but that year we were a writeoff due to a horrific injury run, that wasn't genius coaching by him to get us back up it was just natural progression of the playing group.

This is true and I’ve just thought up more to say about it. It’s only opinion and I’m almost certainly wrong but I’m open to corrections.

Goodwin absolutely inherited an exciting and gifted list. I’m not sure if it was his idea or not, but spending picks and money to replace Oscar McDonald with lever and May was a good call by someone. And he eventually netted a premiership which I’m very grateful for. Two years of lockdowns in Melbourne was horrendous and sometimes really stressful and having that moment was really important to me. I don’t know whether that was great coaching or great list or great luck. Probably varying quantities is all three test tubes, but I have no doubt he played a role in keeping the team up and together in a freakish time that hopefully we won’t have to see again.

Leaving aside the general disintegration of the club after, which can’t have made his coaching life easy and I acknowledge that, I’ve steadily become more concerned about his ability to really read a team. It’s like he fixed on his idea of a winning team and what they have to do - with no regard to changes in the game, changes to personnel, fitness and form, injury etc. He just can’t be budged at all.

That isn’t good coaching. A good coach looks ahead to the changes in the game and adapts. And worse still as our list has changed, I feel like Goodwin tried to press everyone into his fantasy game and thought it would work. From what he said yesterday, he still thinks it would work.

A good coach would adapt their game every year to get the best from the strengths of the squad, use the talents of those coming in, but he seemed hooked on pressing people into his fantasy chess game without regard for anything much. Same players in regardless of form or injury etc. No change to plans even when multiple other good teams adapted their style.

Now we don’t have a permanent coach, but I hope whoever it is can properly look at the strengths and weaknesses in the team and try to use players to their own advantage. I’m no footballer but I do go to work and a boss who recognises your strengths and lets you go with them is the boss that gets the best rewards from what you can do. And now in particular we have some promising younger players that we should be aiming to keep. I’m not advocating being soft on anyone, just giving them the chance to develop themselves.

 

[booshboy]

Say what you want about his coaching but he at least had a significant contribution to the club turning its fortunes around from 16-21 unlike Roffey/Pert who piggy backed off other people's hard work. Now that he's gone I'm more grateful for his time and wish him all the best with whatever he does next, I'm just ****ing relieved that it won't be with us.

 

[schmuttt]

Not watching that clip. But more than one thing can be true. Goodwin is a premiership winning coach. Statistically from a W/L point of view he looks like a very successful coach.

However, he was handed over a finals ready list by Roos and by the end of his ninth season will have missed more finals series than taken part of. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won a final at the MCG since 2018. He’s also the coach that hasn’t won overseen four years of linear decline yet has done very little either from a selection point of view or tactical/strategic point to change it up. As has been said, he’s full of shit calling this a transitional year when apart from Pickett he’s not really doing anything different through the middle. Petty up forward continues to be a joke and old favourites like Salem and Sparrow continue to get a blank cheque at selection.

If he were starting Trac forward, giving the midfield keys to the likes of Rivers, Pickett and Windsor and playing the likes of Woewodin, K Brown, Sestan and Culley while dropping underperforming stars - he would have had some credibility and probably time to turn it around.

I’m forever grateful for 2021 and nobody can really take that away from him but 2 great years out of 9 with the seven others being disappointing probably suggests he’s not a great coach.

Also to add on to this it takes an extreme level of delusion to stick to your guns like Goodwin did. If he'd genuinely tried to regenerate the team like you mentioned I've got no doubt he would have gotten at least another two year deal, but he was obsessed with the idea we were still so close to a flag.

 

[schmuttt]

Ironic that Goody didn't want to trade Oliver or Trac last year but if he did it likely would have secured his job.

 

[Daemon]

Ironic that Goody didn't want to trade Oliver or Trac last year but if he did it likely would have secured his job.

His biggest shortcoming - too loyal and has favourites

 

[Johnny Karate]

Also to add on to this it takes an extreme level of delusion to stick to your guns like Goodwin did. If he'd genuinely tried to regenerate the team like you mentioned I've got no doubt he would have gotten at least another two year deal, but he was obsessed with the idea we were still so close to a flag.

The closest a side has gone to winning multiple flags but not really breaking up the core with a gap was Hawthorn 2008-12. Yet, they still changed huge parts of their team. Birchall, Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Franklin, Roughead, Rioli and Sewell were youngish guns in 2008 and then senior stars in 2012. Role players Clinton Young and Xavier Ellis also remained. But there were 12 changes around that and many players with serious quality: Luke Breust, Shaun Burgoyne, Josh Gibson, Jack Gunston, David Hale, Paul Puopolo, Shane Savage, Ryan Schoenmakers, Liam Shiels, Isaac Smith, Ben Stratton and Matt Suckling all came in after the success of 2008. Trent Croad, Stewart Dew, Brent Guerra, Brent Renouf, Robert Campbell, Mark Williams, Michael Osborne, Campbell Brown, Shane Crawford, Chance Bateman, Stephen Gilham and Rick Ladson all made way.

Bottom line is they made serious changes around the side and also improved year on year after a shit follow up to a flag in 2009.

We’re still rolling around with two thirds of our flag side most weeks and we’ve replaced the depth/role players with worse personnel. I have no doubt that’s because Goodwin became protective and conservative about the players that won that flag. Opportunities to rejig or rejuvenate the list have presented themselves over the last two off seasons with Oliver, Petty and Petracca wanting out but we went with the same, added nothing around it and find ourselves in the bottom six.

 

[mrmonkey]

Think he's remained pretty gracious, and it's in his best interests to do so. Wouldn't get baited into making comments about the board outside of pumping up Peter Jackson's work back when he started. Bit of re-writing history about this year always being a transition year. There's no way known that's what he was pitching to the board at the end of last year.

Bit clever for him to say the team is just on the cusp of turning things around. Either the new coach comes in, we spike and he's proven right or we go nowhere and he can say they mucked it up.

I think he genuinely believed in the list, not sure if was saying it as a two way bet to look better in hindsight. I recall Dean Bailey saying the next coach has a golden ticket for success when he was sacked. I just think coaches are always going to be optimistic when departing.

 

[Proper Gander]

I think he genuinely believed in the list, not sure if was saying it as a two way bet to look better in hindsight. I recall Dean Bailey saying the next coach has a golden ticket for success when he was sacked. I just think coaches are always going to be optimistic when departing.

Did Bailey say that? Wow. That one ended well

 

[mrmonkey]

Did Bailey say that? Wow. That one ended well

Couldn't find that exact quote, I feel he may have said it on afl 360. This article says 'exciting group of players'
It's official: Bailey sacked - https://www.afl.com.au/news/473622

 

[Proper Gander]

Couldn't find that exact quote, I feel he may have said it on afl 360. This article says 'exciting group of players'
It's official: Bailey sacked - https://www.afl.com.au/news/473622

I guess in some ways they were