Grigg requests a Trade - Part 2

[Mister Carlton]

Can't wait to get down to preseason to see Collins and the boys.

Shaun Grigg, I hope you enjoy your money.

 

[tigerwill]

Can't wait to get down to preseason to see Collins and the boys.

Shaun Grigg, I hope you enjoy your money.

I'm sure Judd is

 

[Mister Carlton]

I'm sure Judd is

How's Buddy?

 

[sherb]

Can't wait to get down to preseason to see Collins and the boys.

Shaun Grigg, I hope you enjoy your money.

He made a career choice. You would never do that?

 

[krayfesh]

I'm sure Judd is

I hope Collins enjoys success.

 

[sherb]

I'm sure Judd is

He's an elite player, who is paid well and maximizing his income. So he should enjoy the benefits of that.

If you get such a player at the Tiges one day (ie elite), you may develop a better understanding of the situation.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

He made a career choice. You would never do that?

Do you really feel the need to press your point every time someone raises this?

I've turned away from 6 figures before - stop assuming money is everything to people on here.

 

[Mister Carlton]

He made a career choice. You would never do that?

Not in that fashion. Very poor, saying yes your committed to the club and then running off to Thailand and requesting trade.

 

[Claypigeon]

I'm sure Judd is

Hard to compare a fringe 22 player chasing dollars to a Top 5 in the league Brownlow Medal; Multi-B&F Premiership player coming home and chasing the dollars he has more than earned. ..

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Not in that fashion. Very poor, saying yes your committed to the club and then running off to Thailand and requesting trade.

Saying yes to what?

do you actually know what we offered him???

He wasnt rated.... he went where he was given security.

Life is like that sometimes.

 

[sherb]

Do you really feel the need to press your point every time someone raises this?

I've turned away from 6 figures before - stop assuming money is everything to people on here.

I'm not pressing the point every time someone raises it. That's just a flat out lie for a start.

I'd suggest you take your concerns to the people who keep sniping at Grigg for wanting to move clubs in the first place. After all, when I do post on the topic, I'm only defending his right to do so without copping crap from our supporters over it.

I'm not assuming that money is everything by the way. I'm making the point that people change careers regularly, that career choice is a part of your working life. It could be money, it could be better opportunities, it could be any number of factors. Grigg is no different in that respect. So what if he wants to move for more money? I don't begrudge him that right.

The irony is that if it were a reverse situation, and a fringe player wanted out of an opposition club and ended up at Carlton, I'm sure our supporters would not be attacking him for walking out on his prior club or the way he left. They'd be welcoming him. So this is not a matter of principle at all, it is simply a matter of sour grapes and a lack of good grace.

 

[sherb]

Not in that fashion. Very poor, saying yes your committed to the club and then running off to Thailand and requesting trade.

I agree that the way he has handled it seems to be poor. (But I am only going on what I have seen posted here).

But you didn't mention that in the post I responded to, you were only taking a pot shot at him over the money.

 

[sherb]

Saying yes to what?

do you actually know what we offered him???

He wasnt rated.... he went where he was given security.

Life is like that sometimes.

My guess is he may have been offered more money, plus he considered that he had better opportunities at another club.

Like I said, career choice. People do it all the time, and yet apparently footballers should be different.

Why the sniping and bitterness towards Grigg from so many? It's a business and a profession these days, the player as much as the club has the right to treat it accordingly.

 

[Dramoth]

This is one of the most stupid trades I have heard & it's only getting done to look like we have won or broken even in this deal.
Andrew collins is a struggling midfielder hff that won't be good enough for our midfield and is behind the 3 amigos and even hoops in our fowardline . I would even prefer robbo rather than Collins.
A player like McKinley gets traded for pick 86 and we are looking at Collins rather than pick 46 or 50 that's stupid on our behalf. It was mentioned in trade radio yesterday that the doggies are looking at a pick in the 40's for hill in my opinion hill has more talent in his toe than Collins .
Djekurra(spelling)
Hill
McKinley
All are better than Collins , to be perfectly honest if we have to get a player from the tuggers I would even take thurstfield rather than Collins at least it will give us depth incase of injury.
Collins is an average player that will play at the ants more than the blues.

Pass

I have said either in this post or in another one that Collins could be seen as a long term replacement for Hoops. They are of a height and both have an eye for the goals. I dont know much about Collins but I do know that Houlihan is about 2-3 years away from the end of his career as a front line player within the club and the club is possibly looking at Collins as his replacement.

I also said that I thought that the club would be working on Yarrans tank this pre-season so that he spends more time up on the wing and Collins would be an excellent choice to rotate through the midfield with Yarran.

 

[Dramoth]

He's a crumbing forward rather than a marking forward, in my mind that makes him a small forward regardless of how tall he is. We need a 3rd marking forward option rather than a 4th crumbing forward. You couldn't have a forward line with Hendo and Waite, with Betts, Garlett, Yarran and Collins. Collins is a talented player and a good get but I'm just confused as to how he fits into our best 22, especially with Houlihan coming back from injury to take a forward line spot too.

Collins is a medium sized forward with a penetrating kick. He has an eye for the goals as well if the Richmond supporters are to be believed.

If we persist with Hendo and Waite as our tall marking forwards, then Collins would slot into the forward line well as an eventual replacement for Houlihan.

I reckon that it will be 1-2 years before we see Collins taking his permanent place in our forward line... it is probably going to take that long to reprogram him after his being in the disaster of the Wallace development system.

 

[mediumsizered]

Yeah, I am sure after the way he was expediently bundled out of the place in 1981 Peter Francis can fill him in on what a wonderful club Carlton can be at times.

Francis was not the most talented player to pull on a Carlton guernsey. He was good in '79, including the GF (kicked a nice goal), but by '81 was probably not in our best 30 players, after we had recruited the likes of Maylin, Wells, Bosustow, Hunter, Perovic etc to supplement the young talent already on our list e.g. Johnston, Buckley, Harmes, Marcou, Sheldon, McConville etc.

Realistically Francis became surplus to our requirements due to the recruitment of Maylin & the rapid development of Glascott, both of whom were superior wingmen to Francis (Michael Young was also moved on for the same reason). Francis unfortunately did not improve on his '79 season.

 

[sherb]

Francis was not the most talented player to pull on a Carlton guernsey. He was good in '79, including the GF (kicked a nice goal), but by '81 was probably not in our best 30 players, after we had recruited the likes of Maylin, Wells, Bosustow, Hunter, Perovic etc to supplement the young talent already on our list e.g. Johnston, Buckley, Harmes, Marcou, Sheldon, McConville etc.

Realistically Francis became surplus to our requirements due to the recruitment of Maylin & the rapid development of Glascott, both of whom were superior wingmen to Francis (Michael Young was also moved on for the same reason). Francis unfortunately did not improve on his '79 season.

Yet he played all possible 11 games in 1981 before he was moved on.

Given the way he was treated and given his marching orders, it's interesting you chose Francis as an example for telling a young player about what it is like to play for Carlton. How player loyalty can be rewarded by the exact opposite by the club could well play an integral part in that advice.

Also, it's interesting why he was moved on. It was to secure Frank Marchesani, who wanted out of Fitzroy.

So, a solid player and/or popular clubman is moved on in exchange for someone who many may argue is a mercenary or had done the dirty on his club. It has a familiar ring to it, doesn't it? Maybe it's different when the shoe's on the other foot though.

 

[mediumsizered]

Yet he played all possible 11 games in 1981 before he was moved on.

Given the way he was treated and given his marching orders, it's interesting you chose Francis as an example for telling a young player about what it is like to play for Carlton. How player loyalty can be rewarded by the exact opposite by the club could well play an integral part in that advice.

Also, it's interesting why he was moved on. It was to secure Frank Marchesani, who wanted out of Fitzroy.

So, a solid player and/or popular clubman is moved on in exchange for someone who many may argue is a mercenary or had done the dirty on his club. It has a familiar ring to it, doesn't it? Maybe it's different when the shoe's on the other foot though.

My reference to Francis was based on him enjoying premiership success at our club, something which was a normal part of our club in those days. Something which we are hopefully building towards now & which perhaps Collins might ultimately have in common with his uncle within the next 2-3 years.

FWIW, Marchesani was also a superior player to Francis & what made our club so successful in those days was the accumulation of as many of the game's best players as we could manage. Hence why our centreline for the '81 premiership read Maylin, Wells, Glascott, all of whom were better than Francis.

 

[harmesy 37]

I would have preferred to keep Grigg weighing everything up, but if his heart isn't in it due to being offered more money by Richmond, then getting Collins makes something good out of a bad situation.

I hope both play well for their respective teams - but Collins plays better.

re: above Francis and Marchesani....Marchesani was desperate to get to the Blues and had plenty of toe, but trading premiership players should be a no-no unless it is at the end of their career and they are trying to get a few extra years out of their career. I am sure all concerned regret the trading of Francis. Nevertheless, Marchesani did string a couple of important games together in 1982.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Don't know if anyone heard Grigg on SEN this morning.

To my mind made it perfectly clear that he didn't gel with the coach.

He made a remark along the lines of how as soon as he met Hardwick he wanted to go to the Tigers and how the Richmond players 'play for the coach'.

Tim Watson fed him the line that 'its nice to feel wanted' which he agreed with.

 

[Bluebear]

Don't know if anyone heard Grigg on SEN this morning.

To my mind made it perfectly clear that he didn't gel with the coach.

He made a remark along the lines of how as soon as he met Hardwick he wanted to go to the Tigers and how the Richmond players 'play for the coach'.

Tim Watson fed him the line that 'its nice to feel wanted' which he agreed with.

How many players felt loved by Lethal Leigh?

There are many ways to coach and connect with people, but Grigg also said he wanted more opportunity. He got plenty including a final, and if he didn't take so long after injuries to regain some sort of form (? work ethic/attitude) then he would have played many more.

I wonder how long Hardwick will share the love with Grigga if the attitude doesn't change?

 

[Tanks_Alot]

How many players felt loved by Lethal Leigh?

There are many ways to coach and connect with people, but Grigg also said he wanted more opportunity. He got plenty including a final, and if he didn't take so long after injuries to regain some sort of form (? work ethic/attitude) then he would have played many more.

I wonder how long Hardwick will share the love with Grigga if the attitude doesn't change?

Wasn't Grigg a late withdrawal from the final due to his ankle or something?

 

[Sin City]

Bluebear is probably talking about last years final against Brisbane.

 

[brazilblue]

I'm not pressing the point every time someone raises it. That's just a flat out lie for a start.

I'd suggest you take your concerns to the people who keep sniping at Grigg for wanting to move clubs in the first place. After all, when I do post on the topic, I'm only defending his right to do so without copping crap from our supporters over it.

I'm not assuming that money is everything by the way. I'm making the point that people change careers regularly, that career choice is a part of your working life. It could be money, it could be better opportunities, it could be any number of factors. Grigg is no different in that respect. So what if he wants to move for more money? I don't begrudge him that right.

The irony is that if it were a reverse situation, and a fringe player wanted out of an opposition club and ended up at Carlton, I'm sure our supporters would not be attacking him for walking out on his prior club or the way he left. They'd be welcoming him. So this is not a matter of principle at all, it is simply a matter of sour grapes and a lack of good grace.

Its not that he did it, its the way that he did it (zero integrity). Do you hear the same tune being sung for Sauce, Walks, T-Bird etc?

No, why? Cause they have been honest and up front ... its called integrity.

People respect that, and disrespect those that do not have it A.K.A GRIGG

 

[sherb]

Its not that he did it, its the way that he did it (zero integrity). Do you hear the same tune being sung for Sauce, Walks, T-Bird etc?

No, why? Cause they have been honest and up front ... its called integrity.

People respect that, and disrespect those that do not have it A.K.A GRIGG

I did acknowledge that.

However, a lot of the posts here sniping at him did not mention that aspect of his decision to leave at all.

They just bagged him for being money hungry, not willing to work for his spot in the side, ungrateful, etc.

It's a bit late now if those posters want to bring the way he handled the situation into the argument to justify or bolster their criticisms.