Opinion Grundy no Certainty

[TradeDraft]

Just saying we got the Highly Rated Brodie Grundy is not a 100% sure he become a Gun or even a AFL Ruckman.

Ruckman are the Hardest to Pick if they are going to make it or not. As mostly Rookie Ruckman become the Best Ruckman.

Plus Pies have a Shocking Record on Developing our own Ruckman. Fraser was Taken number 1 in 1999 Draft but never came a Dominate Ruckman. Guy Richards was a AA U-18 Ruckman but he was Usless. Fanning was even Not Up to it. We traded for Wood who played a Few Good Games but mostly was a 1 Trick Poney as he was just a tap Ruckman. Byran and Dawes where not Ruckman and Same as Leigh Brown but he gave us a Contest and Played his Best in the Late 2010 Regular Season and in 2010 Finals Series and Helped us win the Flag. Those 3 where more KPP.The Only Good Ruck we got since 2000 was Darren Jolly and he was a Big Reason we won the 2010 Flag

I Highly Rate Grundy and I reckon he will make it as he has the Drive for Success and Get better and is a thing I really Rate.

Just stating the Facts here

 

[Optimax]

So he might not be a gun, but you think he'll be a gun

Make up your mind Dave

 

[Shade]

If Grundy doesnt make it i have zero faith in drafting a ruckmen ever again and would rather just trade for them.

 

[Hagla]

He seems to have the right attitude though, which seems to have been a problem with ruckman in the past. I'll back him in to become an elite ruckman.

 

[rand corp]

Chill Dave, no one is ever a certainty but, he is at shorter odds than many.

Kid has great physical attributes, has shown he has good skill and smarts and has also shown he is very committed, focused and determined.

He has Witts there so they will push each other and Ben Hudson signals a new approach to developing young ruckman.

Let's give the kid his first season and see how he's developing by the end of it.

 

[TradeDraft]

So he might not be a gun, but you think he'll be a gun

Make up your mind Dave

I am Just saying that our Record of Developing our Rucks we get is not very good.

But I think we his Attitude to get Better is Great and he has all the Attributes to make it also he is not a Super Skinny Kid that needs to be Built up as he is close to having a AFL ready body. He might even have a AFL Ready Body.

Just hope Grundy can stop our Poor Development of Young Ruckman

 

[TradeDraft]

Chill Dave, no one is ever a certainty but, he is at shorter odds than many.

Kid has great physical attributes, has shown he has good skill and smarts and has also shown he is very committed, focused and determined.

He has Witts there so they will push each other and Ben Hudson signals a new approach to developing young ruckman.

Let's give the kid his first season and see how he's developing by the end of it.

Agree has better chance then other Young Rucks we have Drafted and Traded For.

Yeah be fun to watch him Develop and Be Intresting how good he can get.

His Physical Attributes are Fantastic and I agree he has great Skills and Smarts for a Ruckman.

His Commitment is very Impressive and that is something that make you Feel Confident he will be a Gun AFL Ruckman.

The Competition with Witts will hopefully help Drive Each other to get Better

 

[carnthepies19]

I reckon Grundy has a hell of a lot more chance of making it right now, same as Witts. Just think, when we had drafted Josh Fraser, we didn't really have any good rucks to teach and help develop him. Same with Chris Bryan & Cam Wood. All they had was Josh Fraser, who wasnt all that good to start off with.

Now for Grundy and Witts, they have Jolly and Hudson to help them. Two of the more seasoned rucks in the competition. The future is looking up for collingwood rucks!

Plus Grundy is virtually ready made for AFL. He isn't a scrawny tall kid like so many other young ruckmen are. Witts is new to the game, but wouldn't be too far behind.

 

[sloth6]

Give him a chance FFS. He hasn't played a game for us yet!

 

[mattys123]

We got the best young ruckman in the country with pick 18, I'd say there's a decent chance the kid turns into an AFL class ruckman/forward, and an outside chance he becomes a star.

We won't know either way for 4-5 years whether or not he will make it so no need to panic yet.

 

[Copeland]

He'll be better than Witts!

 

[Kirby]

It's a surprise piece of news to me that he may or may not become a gun ruckman.

Who'd have thought it?

 

[vjknight]

So he might not be a gun, but you think he'll be a gun

Make up your mind Dave

i am relieved someone saw thru daves argument

 

[blaze036]

I think everyone knows no draftee is a certainty to even play a game. Just look at recent top 3 picks and some of them don't even make it.

 

[Hardas]

I couldn't be more excited by the Witts/Grundy combo for our future
[well, I could but, ahem, that would be wrong ].

There are few guarantees with such young blokes, but their competitive nature when playing against men in the VFL and SANFL is very encouraging, and they have great mentors now in Jolly and Hudson.

Be happy, Dave, I reckon the sky's the limit with these two.

 

[Trojan Pies]

The fundamental difference that Grundy has over those aforementioned players is aggression (save for Bryan...but he had no talent). Fraser had talent but was not aggressive nor strong enough to compete. Time will tell whether Grundy and Witts develop into players big enough to compete with the Mumfords, Sandilands, etc of the AFL but early signs suggest their body type is capable. Then it comes down to talent, which based upon Grundy's U18 Champs, is there....he is an odds on chance of becoming a good player. Witts is a bit more of an unknown due to his lack of Aussie Rules growing up but I rate both kids chances of becoming a strong ruck duo for the Pies in coming years.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Time to bump the 1000 PAGE Jarrod Behemoth Witts thread??? Pumping up playing before debuting is awesome.

 

[Old Spice]

At 18 you can't really lose, low-risk high-reward.

On Witts, is it my imagination or did he lose a bunch of muscle mass from last season? Didn't seem to put much on in any case.

 

[lozza63]

Yeah i agree Spicey on what i've seen from Utah photos - looks like he's still far too raw/under-developed for the rucking caper atm.

Just on Brodie on the other hand i feel he is physically more likely to log 4-8 games this year than Jarrod despite him being two years younger.

 

[loki04]

The fundamental difference that Grundy has over those aforementioned players is aggression (save for Bryan...but he had no talent). Fraser had talent but was not aggressive nor strong enough to compete. Time will tell whether Grundy and Witts develop into players big enough to compete with the Mumfords, Sandilands, etc of the AFL but early signs suggest their body type is capable. Then it comes down to talent, which based upon Grundy's U18 Champs, is there....he is an odds on chance of becoming a good player. Witts is a bit more of an unknown due to his lack of Aussie Rules growing up but I rate both kids chances of becoming a strong ruck duo for the Pies in coming years.

Same goes for the difference in player mindset from 09 into 10, 2010 we were a lot more aggressive at the player and ball. Team played angry and it worked I hope to see the rage again in 13 was missing last season.

 

[Jelly Bean]

The fundamental difference that Grundy has over those aforementioned players is aggression (save for Bryan...but he had no talent). Fraser had talent but was not aggressive nor strong enough to compete. Time will tell whether Grundy and Witts develop into players big enough to compete with the Mumfords, Sandilands, etc of the AFL but early signs suggest their body type is capable. Then it comes down to talent, which based upon Grundy's U18 Champs, is there....he is an odds on chance of becoming a good player. Witts is a bit more of an unknown due to his lack of Aussie Rules growing up but I rate both kids chances of becoming a strong ruck duo for the Pies in coming years.

I don't really care about aggressive, I care more about courage. The two aren't necessarily linked. Didak is aggressive, but is weak as p!ss.

It is fine for him to be aggressive, but more important is that he goes back with the flight, goes hard at the ball in the air in packs, tackles hard, and does the shepherds and 1 percenters. I don't really care how many wrestles he gets into or how many jumper punches he throws.

 

[TradeDraft]

We got the best young ruckman in the country with pick 18, I'd say there's a decent chance the kid turns into an AFL class ruckman/forward, and an outside chance he becomes a star.

We won't know either way for 4-5 years whether or not he will make it so no need to panic yet.

That is probably the best way to look at it Matty. That he should Become a AFL Standered Ruck/Forward(Who Plays Around the 150-200 Game Mark) but with the Chance of Becoming a Start Player

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't really care about aggressive, I care more about courage. The two aren't necessarily linked. Didak is aggressive, but is weak as p!ss.

It is fine for him to be aggressive, but more important is that he goes back with the flight, goes hard at the ball in the air in packs, tackles hard, and does the shepherds and 1 percenters. I don't really care how many wrestles he gets into or how many jumper punches he throws.

Agree does not need to be Aggressive(Though it would Help) but is there Courage up to it and go when they need to go they will put there Body on the Line when they need too.

 

[Busse]

There is a big difference between Fraser and Grundy IMO. Fraser had all the attributes bar one when he was drafted and that was strength. If Fraser had been another 10 kgs bigger he would have gone a lot further in his career, as with Grundy he is already past Fraser's maximum weight and i think he could honestly out muscle Fraser at the moment. Anyway I think one of the main reasons drafting rucks most of the time doesn't work is their ability to add weight and still be mobile (eg Wood, Fraser, Richards etc.). Thats why I see Grundy working due to him already having decent size and still only being 18.

 

[Stifler's mom]

Just stating the Facts here

Pretty sure facts are secondary to an opinion/guess. (NFI)