'H-Ack'land: Vent Your Spleen.

[Beloved]

This has nothing to do with Judd. Ackland offered nothing, gave nothing and i really fail to understand how you could think he contributed to the team. If you are satisfied with his efforts, you must have really enjoyed the last few years at Carlton

Oh sure, Ackland did nothing for club...

Maybe you don't understand, if Ackland were not at the club, Setanta would have had to play the role of a Ruckman for the duration of the season from Round 5+. If Setanta is in the Ruck, who the hell is going to fill his position in the back?

 

[thylacine60]

Too right, you should have heard him at training today!

Go on.........

 

[Blue Dimension]

.....strong dislike for this man, strong dislike. I bagged him a lot while at the Saints, and when i found out he was joining Carlton i was disgusted with the decision. He doesn't dissappoint that's all i can say.

 

[Beloved]

Go on.........

He was very vocal. Whenever someone made a slight flaw, he was like a shark to blood, really tuning the fine points down PP way.

 

[douls]

Oh sure, Ackland did nothing for club...

Maybe you don't understand, if Ackland were not at the club, Setanta would have had to play the role of a Ruckman for the duration of the season from Round 5+. If Setanta is in the Ruck, who the hell is going to fill his position in the back?

lol, a 15 year old trying to educate me about football

 

[The Cranium]

TBA IMO - Let the guy go out there and prove he is worth being in the first 22. Until then STFU.

 

[blue gunslinger]

lol, a 15 year old trying to educate me about football

Was he wrong?

 

[sherb]

This whole Ackland thing seems to me as though it's just one sheep following the other. One guy says their dislike for the guy last year, another picked, so on and so forth.

Why is there a need to hate they guy? Hate is a strong word, and nobody, especially somebody that most likely none of us know personally. I admit, his on field skills were not the greatest last year, but at the end of last year, neither were Judds, yet people on here still go on about him being the messiah.

2008 is a new year, keep your sledges to yourselves until you see what each guy comes up with on the field THIS YEAR.

Pretty much agree with all of that.

I will never, ever understand the concept of slagging off at and saying you hate one of your own team's players.

So what if they don't measure up in people's eyes? It is not the player's fault that the club saw something in them and decided to sign them up.

Some people need to look up the meaning of the word "supporter". It is about doing exactly that - supporting - not denigrating.

 

[douls]

Was he wrong?

Hell yeah he is wrong. If that happened at another club you would say he is crap. Some folk are just a little to biased when critiquing our own.

 

[Juddernaut08]

WOW! I feel like Ackland; beaten up and bagged to a pulp!

Don't get me wrong; I love Carlton and it pains me to see any of our players struggling. Take J.Russell for example; he's struggled, he's not super-young anymore and he is running out of excuses. Yet he tries; and he seems like a committed Carlton man.

Ackland was SUPPOSED to be our QUICK FIX for our rucks. It just hurts when getting the guy has only really hurt the development of younger players and used a slab of our salary cap. And that's just it; he seems like he's only in it for the money, and has really not done anywhere near enough to justify the #1 pick or the money given to him.

Now it's most likely that you majority are right and i am childish and harsh for singling out a player like this. But let me ask you this question; if we had to choose again, at his price, would u still have picked him???

 

[blue gunslinger]

Hell yeah he is wrong. If that happened at another club you would say he is crap. Some folk are just a little to biased when critiquing our own.

So enlighten me. What would your solution have been last year?

 

[blue gunslinger]

[Now it's most likely that you majority are right and i am childish and harsh for singling out a player like this. But let me ask you this question; if we had to choose again, at his price, would u still have picked him???[/quote]

Probably not but if he was the best on offer and we were desperate for a ruckman....a hack may be better than nothing. The contract was insane so hopefully a debacle like this wouldn't happen again. 3 years was too long unless it was performace related and had exit clauses every year!.

 

[Dominator68]

Look, we all now he is rubbish and taking money under false pretences. Not his fault though - football department to blame.

 

[recently blue]

I posted this another thread, then thought it is better in here...

Cain Ackland is not my favourite player. In fact, quite a way from it. But I couldn't help thinking he's not as bad as most on here say. Looking at some of the late season replays from 2007, he didn't do a bad job at all.
That prompted me to look up some stats. He is 25yo and has played 73 games. Ruckmen don't generally peak until their very late twenties, or even early thirties. Now check these stats, taken from each player's first 73 games:

Hitouts in their first 73 games:
White 958, Ackland 851, Lade 822, King 804, Fraser 515, Everitt 487

Hmmm... sorry. We shouldn't let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt, now should we?

 

[Beloved]

lol, a 15 year old trying to educate me about football

Okay, so because i'm 15 means that I know shit all about the club?

If you ask me, holding that against me is more childish than my age.

 

[Beloved]

Hell yeah he is wrong. If that happened at another club you would say he is crap. Some folk are just a little to biased when critiquing our own.

So now I am biased? Don't you find it just a tad rude to judge people before you know the first thing about them as a person? Beleive it or not, despite your thoughts on my age, I actually have a keen interest in football in general, not just aspects of Carlton.

Be as judgemental as you like but in the end, I am me, you are you, Ackland lended a hand to Carlton. It's not being biased, it's looking deeply into a situation.

 

[Tom Blue]

The only time I will 'diss' a player from my beloved Navy Blues, is if he doesn't try.

I don't care how shit you are, as long as every time you pull on that jumper you give 100%. eg. Simon Wiggins.

Ackland, I don't believe deserves my support. He doesn't try and seems lazy. Look what Cloke did? No-one rated him, yet he came to the Blues and busted his balls and now looks set to be in the starting 22.

Hopefully Ackland takes a page out of Clokes book and at least tries to compete.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

I think the vote is against you Juddernaut
Even if we agree with you we would rather look at all the positives our club has.
Ackland still contribites especially when we had little alternative last year.
Hope you have to eat your words

I must say some of his performnaces were the amongst the worst that I have ever seen by a player wearing our jumper, and definately for a fully matured player.

His game against Geelong......sigh.......I have never seen a performance so lacking in courage and commitment to the team.
He had many similar games last year and I think his performance/attitude deflated the morale of the whole team in some games.

I hope he has played his last game for Carlton already.

 

[good2bblue]

To be totally Honest, I think Ackland's form late last season was alright. His form mid-season was woeful, largely due to the fact Pagan didn't like him.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

This thread is absolutely mind-boggling. Just because a player is pulling on a Carlton jumper doesn't mean they should automatically be exempt from judgement or criticism.

We should apply this rule to politics, and blindly support whatever the government decides simply because they are representing us.

And all this talk about Ackland filling a role for the club? Yeah, he played in the ruck, because there was nobody else there to do it. He 'earned' his money by running out each week, that's about it. Have you ever seen more cowardly efforts by a Carlton player, especially for a bloke his size?

Nothing frustrates me more than people who defend our players to the hilt, absolutely regardless of performance.

Should we not be a club that demands excellence, instead of indulging piss-weak efforts from players like Cain Ackland?

Stop making excuses for the bloke and admit that he simply doesn't cut it, and the sooner we see the back of him the better.

The simple fact that he plays for Carlton is surely not reason enough to accept his less than mediocre approach to the game.

 

[Blues_Man]

This thread is absolutely mind-boggling. Just because a player is pulling on a Carlton jumper doesn't mean they should automatically be exempt from judgement or criticism.

We should apply this rule to politics, and blindly support whatever the government decides simply because they are representing us.

And all this talk about Ackland filling a role for the club? Yeah, he played in the ruck, because there was nobody else there to do it. He 'earned' his money by running out each week, that's about it. Have you ever seen more cowardly efforts by a Carlton player, especially for a bloke his size?

Nothing frustrates me more than people who defend our players to the hilt, absolutely regardless of performance.

Should we not be a club that demands excellence, instead of indulging piss-weak efforts from players like Cain Ackland?

Stop making excuses for the bloke and admit that he simply doesn't cut it, and the sooner we see the back of him the better.

The simple fact that he plays for Carlton is surely not reason enough to accept his less than mediocre approach to the game.

Nobody is making excuses for anybody ..I just find it childish and senseless to devote a thread simply to criticize a player...before the season even starts .

 

[PeeKay]

Oh yeh......what abor Fevola????

 

[PeeKay]

This thread is absolutely mind-boggling. Just because a player is pulling on a Carlton jumper doesn't mean they should automatically be exempt from judgement or criticism.

We should apply this rule to politics, and blindly support whatever the government decides simply because they are representing us.

And all this talk about Ackland filling a role for the club? Yeah, he played in the ruck, because there was nobody else there to do it. He 'earned' his money by running out each week, that's about it. Have you ever seen more cowardly efforts by a Carlton player, especially for a bloke his size?

Nothing frustrates me more than people who defend our players to the hilt, absolutely regardless of performance.

Should we not be a club that demands excellence, instead of indulging piss-weak efforts from players like Cain Ackland?

Stop making excuses for the bloke and admit that he simply doesn't cut it, and the sooner we see the back of him the better.

The simple fact that he plays for Carlton is surely not reason enough to accept his less than mediocre approach to the game.

Ok, what about Fevola's piss poor atttude. Get off Cains back until you se him play this year.

 

[sherb]

This thread is absolutely mind-boggling. Just because a player is pulling on a Carlton jumper doesn't mean they should automatically be exempt from judgement or criticism.

We should apply this rule to politics, and blindly support whatever the government decides simply because they are representing us.

And all this talk about Ackland filling a role for the club? Yeah, he played in the ruck, because there was nobody else there to do it. He 'earned' his money by running out each week, that's about it. Have you ever seen more cowardly efforts by a Carlton player, especially for a bloke his size?

Nothing frustrates me more than people who defend our players to the hilt, absolutely regardless of performance.

Should we not be a club that demands excellence, instead of indulging piss-weak efforts from players like Cain Ackland?

Stop making excuses for the bloke and admit that he simply doesn't cut it, and the sooner we see the back of him the better.

The simple fact that he plays for Carlton is surely not reason enough to accept his less than mediocre approach to the game.

I don't say a player is exempt from criticism from his own supporters. However it helps immensely if that criticism is objective and balanced.

However, outright denigration to the point of sheer hatred is not on. It is not what supporting is about in my view, never has been and never will be.

Slagging off at Carlton players is what opposition supporters do - God knows our players cop enough crap from them without us doing the same ourselves. Or are we happy to sink to their level?

Specifically in Ackland's case, when he pulls on a Carlton jumper I will support him. It is not blind support, if he doesn't measure up well of course I will criticize him. But it will be rational criticism, not to the point of directing bile and hatred at the guy.

I'd have to say some of the spite I have seen directed at a few of our players on this board makes my stomach churn. Just because the club is going through a few lean years it doesn't mean we have to turn on our own like a pack of ferals. We are better than that............aren't we?

 

[as0l0]

If Ackland has the support of Ratten, then that's all I need to know.