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flash2 said:
He has a thing where he grabs the ball infront of the stumps and knocks the bails off with his hands and pretends its a legitimate dismissal.
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This was an error by the umpire standing at the striker's end who should have called no ball. Law 40.3 Position of wicket-keeper states:

"The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the striker's end from the moment the ball comes into play until
(a) a ball delivered by the bowler
either (i) touches the bat or person of the striker
or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker's end

or (b) the striker attempts a run.

In the event of the wicket-keeper contravening this Law, the umpire at the striker's end shall call and signal No ball as soon as possible after the delivery of the ball."
 
likka said:
Spot on.

Wonder how long his batting will keep him in the side, particularly with Wade now scoring regular FC centuries.
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When on song he is a good, agressive batsman. Problem is he is also very good at getting himself out with dumb shots when set. TBH I'd rather a player with better keeping skills and a lesser batting skills who values his wicket and shows a bit of grit.
 
mediumsizered said:
This was an error by the umpire standing at the striker's end who should have called no ball. Law 40.3 Position of wicket-keeper states:

"The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the striker's end from the moment the ball comes into play until
(a) a ball delivered by the bowler
either (i) touches the bat or person of the striker
or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker's end

or (b) the striker attempts a run.

In the event of the wicket-keeper contravening this Law, the umpire at the striker's end shall call and signal No ball as soon as possible after the delivery of the ball."
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so when he takes the ball in front of the stumps it should be called a no ball.

he does it consistently sure the umpiring fraternity should intervene...

disgraceful by haddin to do it consistently and the criticism of haddin in repeatedly pulling this trick is certainly a cause for concern.

with referrals i suspect it is now a dead cause, however i wonder how many batsmen have been robbed by his consistent bad faith actions.

as for his longevity, he's a more than adequate batsman, but his keeping to date has been poorly at best.
 

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dan warna said:
so when he takes the ball in front of the stumps it should be called a no ball.

he does it consistently sure the umpiring fraternity should intervene...

disgraceful by haddin to do it consistently and the criticism of haddin in repeatedly pulling this trick is certainly a cause for concern.
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Most definitely should be called a no ball. The failure to do so if Haddin is doing it consistently tells me that the square leg umpire is not focussing on all aspects of the rules.

I know from personal experience it can be easy to become a little bit complacent when standing at square leg, but at international level you expect 100% concentration.
 
We have made a hash of some selections lately.

The selectors should pick a #6 who is a solid batsman. If he can bowl a bit, great.

And they should pick a #7 who is a solid keeper. If he can bat a bit, great.
 
UpForGrabs said:
While I wouldn't say he's the worst keeper in the past 50 year (how quick people are to forget the illustrious Wayne Phillips days), he really does put down far too many chances.

It's not just the catches too, he drops his fair share of balls which simply are let through...
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Agreed he fumbles so many regulation takes when the batsmen leave the ball its not funny. I can't believe how bad his general keeping is, his batting has hardly set the world alight either!

Paine and Wade are the future, if they both improve again next summer and hadding doesnt sure both his batting and keeping, he may fnid himself on the outer.
 
saj_21 said:
Agreed he fumbles so many regulation takes when the batsmen leave the ball its not funny. I can't believe how bad his general keeping is, his batting has hardly set the world alight either!

Paine and Wade are the future, if they both improve again next summer and hadding doesnt sure both his batting and keeping, he may fnid himself on the outer.
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When he bats he comes across to me as a dumb cricketer.

Look at how he was dismissed last night as an example of what I mean. That sort of dismissal happens far too often for Haddin. He needs to tighten up his batting considerably.
 
Cleavy said:
I agree. :thumbsu:
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As well as taking his bat out with him when he bats, Haddin needs to learn to take his brain as well.

He plays dumb shots far too often to get out. The side simply cannot afford that, especially given how much he could potentially contribute with the bat.
 
he is a good batsman.

he is, so far, a very very average keeper.

its not like he's been picked for his youth...

IMO if as a keeper he is a liability only, as good as his batting is, its not worth his dropped catches, foul play in front of stumps and the tonnage of byes he lets through.

its embarrassing.
 

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i havent seen enough of paine or wade.

how do they rate next to haddin as a keeper, and how are they as batsmen?

my thoughts are that you need to weigh up their negatives as a batsman compared with how much better they are as keepers.

how does that see them?
 
Haddin's test career could be over or on life support by the end of the ashes.

England is a tough tough place for good keepers to keep, he could actually cost us a test match unless he improves a lot.
 
It could be the battle of Byes in Ashes this year with Matt Prior breaking records as well. Could be that 25+ extra an innings is the norm in the series and thats like having an extra batsmen.
 
Bloods boy from the Bush said:
It could be the battle of Byes in Ashes this year with Matt Prior breaking records as well. Could be that 25+ extra an innings is the norm in the series and thats like having an extra batsmen.
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:thumbsu: Although I rate Haddin as a better keeper than Prior, who cannot keep his legs shut to the spinners and he has conceded almost 50 byes in match.
 
Hopefully a reserve keeper is selected in the Ashes squad. I think putting Haddin on his toes will do one of two things.

Alow him to move aside for a younger keeper.

Or the pressure on his heals gets him to a level that doesn't conceade byes and catches willi nilli.
 
lionbear said:
Hopefully a reserve keeper is selected in the Ashes squad. I think putting Haddin on his toes will do one of two things.

Alow him to move aside for a younger keeper.

Or the pressure on his heals gets him to a level that doesn't conceade byes and catches willi nilli.
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Thats the thing though - who? The person has to actually earn their spot, and at the moment there is nobody else putting their hand up with consistent runs to go with good wicketkeeping. So until that happens, we have Haddin.
 

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hbk_aus said:
Thats the thing though - who? The person has to actually earn their spot, and at the moment there is nobody else putting their hand up with consistent runs to go with good wicketkeeping. So until that happens, we have Haddin.
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At the moment Haddin is not really doing the job at test level. You only have too look back to when Ian Healy was selected for a tour to Pakistan....he was a young unknown in a similar situation to someone like Paine or Wade (actually played only 6 first class games). Having said that Manou would have to be in the selectors mind as well given has had a pretty good season.
 
robbo75 said:
At the moment Haddin is not really doing the job at test level. You only have too look back to when Ian Healy was selected for a tour to Pakistan....he was a young unknown in a similar situation to someone like Paine or Wade (actually played only 6 first class games). Having said that Manou would have to be in the selectors mind as well given has had a pretty good season.
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Times have changed since then - back then keepers were picked on glovework first, then batting. Nowadays its all about batting first, and no other keeper is making consistent runs at state level.
 
Thought i would give this thread a bump.

I believe's haddins keeping was world class this summer, didn't drop any chances although i think ne or two may have between him a north. Didn't let through many byes, only a couple from Johnson spraying a wide delivery.

He also took a couple of screamers noteably in the sydney test. He didn;t just drop or fumble as many takes as he had done previously. His batting is a little bit hit and miss, but he is doing enough to hold his spot in the side.
 
Yeah Haddin was great this summer, although I think that the next best keeper is Manou (biased I know), Paine and Matty Wade. I have seen alot of Wade recently, but Paine is probably the best batter out of the 3, especially at opening in 20/20's.
 
He's sewn the test spot up now.

However it is an interesting battle for the second choice keeper with Paine, Ronchi, Wade and Manou all have done good things this year. Manou kept well in the Ashes test, but he's not as good a batsman as the others. Wade's been pretty good this year decent form with bat and gloves. Paine did a good job whilst in the ODI team with bat and gloves and has shown he can hit a ball in the big bash. Ronchi is an interesting one, a couple of years back he was right up there with Haddin and almost made his test debut in the Windies, then had a horrible 2008/09 yet still got picked to play for Australia in the T20's. This year he has been much better with some reasonably solid form with the bat, also his keeping is very solid.

So if Haddin got injured it would be an interesting call. I think they'd go for Paine however, he didn't do anything wrong when he got his opportunity.

IMO next inline in either form of the game.

Paine
Ronchi
Manou
Wade
 

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