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Nothing wrong with off-label uses of substances.

A study done in the US showed of the 160 most common drugs prescribed by doctors, 21% were for off-label (unapproved) uses.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16682577

Even Reid stated that the drugs being injected into the players are not ones that one would want injected into their own sons (words to that effect).

And I don't have time to look into the link but can you tell me how many of those were horse drugs. Also how many were not approved for human use.
 
You can test for peptides although there are fewer labs with the capability. One in Cologne, Germany (which is where the AFL send samples off to), and one in Montreal. HGH can be tested for, although there is only a short time window. Plus there is no evidence out that afl players were using HGH.

If you are a horse perhaps

The Herald understands that lab, in Cologne, is the only WADA lab that can screen effectively for peptides - but it is as yet unable to test to an evidential level, meaning the results would likely not stand up in court.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10880544
 
A clean blood test doesnt mean that anybody has NOT taken drugs.
It just means they were clean at that time of the blood test for a particular synthetic.
AHH Mr Dank youve done it again.
Bombers painted into accepting court ruling.
ASADA still driving the pain in one direction.
Robbo still saying but but but didnt they say.....but but gerard your with me on this thing arent you?
 
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A clean blood test doesnt mean that anybody has NOT taken drugs.
It just means they were clean at that time of the blood test.
For whatever was tested. If it's something they don't know to test for they can't test for it. It's not a blanket peptide test.
 
Nothing wrong with off-label uses of substances.

A study done in the US showed of the 160 most common drugs prescribed by doctors, 21% were for off-label (unapproved) uses.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16682577

Conclusion from your own link:

CONCLUSIONS:
Off-label medication use is common in outpatient care, and most occurs without scientific support. Efforts should be made to scrutinize underevaluated off-label prescribing that compromises patient safety or represents wasteful medication use.
 
I am wondering why the AFL Players association are so outraged at the comment that Essendon players did nothing to question the supplements program. How would they know, seeing they were kept out of the loop aswell.
 
I am wondering why the AFL Players association are so outraged at the comment that Essendon players did nothing to question the supplements program. How would they know, seeing they were kept out of the loop aswell.
I would have thought the main issue with the AFLPA is not to let their members get into this position again. Harcourt saying what he said would have given the AFLPA ammunition to put the responsibility further onto the clubs. This is what Harcourt was saying. He was not being critical of the players. He was saying it was surprising how easily the players went along with it - meaning that that is the way it is in such a group dynamic coming up against club authority figures. So therefore processes need to be put in place with that in mind. This was also a theme in McDevitt's request for co-operation. They had decided to go easy on the players because of what Harcourt and others found.
 
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If you are a horse perhaps

The Herald understands that lab, in Cologne, is the only WADA lab that can screen effectively for peptides - but it is as yet unable to test to an evidential level, meaning the results would likely not stand up in court.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10880544
Not the news the bombers and their fans wanted to hear.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/af...lub-selfreported/story-fnelctok-1226975648048
 
Harcourt talked about 'Fan syndrome' due to the old 'hero' footballers being around the club. In essence he was referring to the Stockholm Syndrome where victims support their abusers. So whatever God Hird says is like a drug on the reptilian brain and people react emotionally and not logically in their self-interest. This is supported by their propaganda machine in Fox Sports and News Corp. It is a tough one to break and it is like a spell where people think there is nothing on the other side so they sustain their denial.
 
Anyone got a link to this presentation? It seems to have been taken down. Or is it all like the first season of Underbelly?

Thanks.
 
Anyone got a link to this presentation? It seems to have been taken down. Or is it all like the first season of Underbelly?

Thanks.
It has been taken down as it is a "inconvenient truth" and their will be lawyers circling as usual.
 
I reckon it is exactly what the bombers and their fans want to hear. It provides full support to EFC/Hird for the trial. Hird's lawyer even exploited it at today's hearing.
He (Harcourt) also stated that “the real reason” the AFL teamed up with ASADA to investigate Essendon was to give the anti-doping body “enormous power” it did not have to access information and coerce witnesses.
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Essendon and Hird, whose lawyers could issue the Harcourt subpoena, believe his admissions in Switzerland back their claim that ASADA exceeded its powers when investigating the club’s 2102 supplements program.
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So, when it was clear that EFC couldn't run a lemonade stand, let alone a football club was revealed, the AFL were just meant to sit around and do nothing?

Nah. If Essendon proved they weren't fit to run a lemonade stand, the AFL would have accused them of stealing their business model.
 
AFL trying to get rid of the evidence.
ASADA was entitled under the Act to work with the AFL. But the diversion by Hird/News Ltd and Co makes people think that there 'might' of being something suspicious. They work the public over to think there is a conspiracy AGAINST Essendon. Classic textbook defense when you have lost all moral standing.
 
Here is another bombshell:

The AFL Players’ Association condemned Harcourt’s assertion that there was a “broad acceptance” by Essendon players of the club’s supplements program.

We disagree with Dr Harcourt’s suggestion that players passively accepted the use of supplements and did not ‘jack up and say what the hell is going on’,” acting AFLPA chief Ian Prendergast.


Huh? :eek:

Prendergast is telling ADADA that contrary to Harcourt's view, the players were in on the doping progam, 100%.

Boy, with friends like that....:rolleyes:
 
****! That's a huge admission. If when this thing gets dragged through the courts... OBW!
 

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Few corrections - peptides are not necessarily illegal. They may be against certain rules, but if they were illegal you would not be able to buy/import them which you can.

Second just because it's a peptide doesnt mean it's bad. Peptides are simply a chain of amino acids. You have peptides in milk, meat and many other common foods.



You can test for peptides although there are fewer labs with the capability. One in Cologne, Germany (which is where the AFL send samples off to), and one in Montreal. HGH can be tested for, although there is only a short time window. Plus there is no evidence out that afl players were using HGH.



Nothing wrong with off-label uses of substances.

A study done in the US showed of the 160 most common drugs prescribed by doctors, 21% were for off-label (unapproved) uses.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16682577

EFC stuffed up by not asking you to tell them how to avoid getting caught doping.
 
****! That's a huge admission. If when this thing gets dragged through the courts... OBW!
On the contrary the players actively supported the program under the "Fan Syndrome", they were swept away with the propaganda of Hird and Co and they were being led to the promised land of glory. Look at me Hird would have whispered, I am the friend of the rich and famous and loved by the peasants as well. Follow me to the promised land. They have been brainwashed and there have been lots of little punishments if you seek to stray. Hird had all sort of volunteer enforcers.
 
Sigh. Why didn't Hirdy just use a tanning booth instead of pills. This whole thing would never have started.
 
Here is another bombshell:

The AFL Players’ Association condemned Harcourt’s assertion that there was a “broad acceptance” by Essendon players of the club’s supplements program.

We disagree with Dr Harcourt’s suggestion that players passively accepted the use of supplements and did not ‘jack up and say what the hell is going on’,” acting AFLPA chief Ian Prendergast.


Huh? :eek:

Prendergast is telling ADADA that contrary to Harcourt's view, the players were in on the doping progam, 100%.

Boy, with friends like that....:rolleyes:

Ummm...not sure you are reading that qoute correctly
 
Little said he was appalled by Harcourt’s reference to cancer.

“If there is a serious health risk that he knows about that he hasn’t passed on to us, that is worse than irresponsible,” Little said.

“I’ve now done 10 presentations to parents ... and none of those have dealt directly with the cancer possibility ... and I feel, and I have made this very clear to the AFL, that my credibility with the parents is being drawn into question. Have I been avoiding it? Have I chosen not to mention it?”

Wouldn't it be nice if the wizened Little headkicker answered that question instead of just asking it.
 

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