Harcourt presentation "bombshell"

[QuietB]

We were talking about the players - why do you find it so hard to stay on topic?

c o n c e n t r a t e

D E F L E C T

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

Oh no , jakeandfatman teh interwebz warrior thinks im stupid, oh noes.

Get over your obsession with my club , you are a vitriolic, irrelevant poster who cannot have a normal debate. Go to your own clubs board and post there, or do they even not listen to you there?

It's not just jakeandfatman

 

[hirdylloydy1]

So Judd doesn't know off by heart.
He talks to Carlton who fortunately do know what he received and he gives a copy of those records to ASADA

Essendon know as well and have told asada

 

[hirdylloydy1]

It's not just jakeandfatman

You have an obsession with our club to? Your all mad

 

[The_Reaper]

Essendon know as well and have told asada

Pretty bad news for Essendon then given that ASADA saw fit to issue show cause notice.

 

[hirdylloydy1]

Pretty bad news for Essendon then given that ASADA saw fit to issue show cause notice.

Why do you think essendon dont trust asada???

 

[The_Reaper]

Why do you think essendon dont trust asada???

I know which story I believe

 

[hirdylloydy1]

I know which story I believe

Yes, youll believe the one your told to believe, wheres your info come from the media??? Good luck in life

 

[The Scales]

I know which story I want to believe

EFA

 

[anf06]

Look at all the drooling idiots attempt to sling mud at Harcourt. What confidentially clauses did he break?

Are you serious? About every single NADO one...

 

[Thrawn]

Are you serious? About every single NADO one...

Whoever made this video is an incredibly stupid individual.

 

[The Scales]

Whoever made this video is an incredibly stupid individual.

Whoever consumed the "magic blue powder" without explicit understanding of its chemical properties is an incredibly stupid individual. Anti-Doping awareness programs, and all. Show Cause notices are likely arriving soon, and can you afford the $2M fine and draft penalties? Poor governance, lacking a single point of accountability.

Supplement program, much?

 

[Underdog]

He breached the AFL Anti-Doping Code simply by commenting on the matter whilst an AFL official. He also showed pictures of 3 Essendon players.
No wonder AFL tried to get the video removed. The bullshit claim that he thought he was speaking confidentially is irrelevant. Even if he was, he still breached the code by commenting to anyone on the matter. The AFL is buggered.

So if the AFL's receptionist was speaking to their friends about the matter, the AFL would be buggered too?

The chief medical officer speaking at a private conference dedicated to anti-drugs seems pretty reasonable to me.

Ultimately, this all means little. The AFL might get embarrassed but it's not going to change the core of the proceedings.

 

[The Scales]

ROFL! The Essendon morons think they are only being given bans because they didn't know what was in their drink. Apparantly all of the AFL are now going to be banned by ASADA for not knowing what McDonalds puts in their burgers.

The fact they were given banned drugs and that is why they are being banned, is so completely and utterly lost on them. You have to actually question whether there is a brain cell between the lot of them.

Dear Jakey, and rotund companion. McDevitt (CEO of ASADA) has made it crystal clear that all players are responsible for ingested products/foodstuffs/supplements, irrespective. Need a link?

Yes, some players were certainly dosed with the prohibited (by WADA) AOD 9604, but this will not be pursued by ASADA, due to a technicality of ASADA's making. Not due to any EFC action/inaction. An ASADA technicality.

To date, no player is being "banned", as you suggest/hope.

The EFC supporter base do have more than one brain cell, and elect to demonstrate their intellectual capacity by not posting speculative/wishful posts so demonstrably wrong, that they are able to be refuted as easily as yours. Moronic behaviour, indeed.

Take some "magic blue powder", and pray like hell you are not "target tested". There's a mild risk you may have been exposed to a prohibited substance. Enjoy.

 

[Dave]

So if the AFL's receptionist was speaking to their friends about the matter, the AFL would be buggered too?

The AFL's receptionist is considered to be an "AFL Official" the way their CMO is? Wow.

The chief medical officer speaking at a private conference dedicated to anti-drugs seems pretty reasonable to me.

a) Who says it was private?

b) What part of the AFL Anti doping code that prohibits AFL officials from commenting on an ongoing investigation do you not understand

Ultimately, this all means little. The AFL might get embarrassed but it's not going to change the core of the proceedings.

Image is important to the AFL.

 

[Gavstar]

Dear Jakey, and rotund companion. McDevitt (CEO of ASADA) has made it crystal clear that all players are responsible for ingested products/foodstuffs/supplements, irrespective. Need a link?

Yes, some players were certainly dosed with the prohibited (by WADA) AOD 9604, but this will not be pursued by ASADA, due to a technicality of ASADA's making. Not due to any EFC action/inaction. An ASADA technicality.

To date, no player is being "banned", as you suggest/hope.

The EFC supporter base do have more than one brain cell, and elect to demonstrate their intellectual capacity by not posting speculative/wishful posts so demonstrably wrong, that they are able to be refuted as easily as yours. Moronic behaviour, indeed.

Take some "magic blue powder", and pray like hell ou are not "target tested". There's a mild risk you may have been exposed to a prohibited substance. Enjoy.

So you are certain that EFC players are dopers taking a WADA banned substance. Excellent news first time I have heard that admission from an EFC supporter. Shouldn't Watson hand his Brownlow back given that Cotchin and Mitchell weren't on banned substances like AOD9604, it is the Best and Fairest after all.

If ASADA shows to the standard of proof required that they did also take a WADA banned substance one that they will pursue, Thymosin beta 4, that's when the fun starts.

 

[The Scales]

So you are certain that EFC players are dopers taking a WADA banned substance. Excellent news first time I have heard that admission from an EFC supporter. Shouldn't Watson hand his Brownlow back given that Cotchin and Mitchell weren't on banned substances like AOD9604, it is the Best and Fairest after all.

If ASADA shows to the standard of proof required that they did also take a WADA banned substance one that they will pursue, Thymosin beta 4, that's when the fun starts.

Yes I am categorically certain that due to erroneous advice given out by WADA's idiot cousin, ASADA, EFC players were given a banned substance, through no fault or negligence of their own. WADA have been complicit in this deception as well, denying EFC staff and players pertinent information, and retrospectively, re-writing history (in an Orwellian way).

Impossible to hand back a Brownlow, when history reflects that no Australian sportsperson could have reasonably understood the status of AOD 9604. ASADA didn't, so no-one could have. Bummer, hey?

And good luck with that (news)paper trail ASADA desperately need to shaft Dank and the EFC, re: TB 4. After the SC notices have been issued - and the investigation wrapped up. Cut and dried, yeah? Weez screwed.

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

Having watch his entire presentation a couple of time, there are clearly a couple of things which Dr Harcourt probably should not have said.

This thing that I do find a bit funny, given EFC's penchant for legal action, is that afaik not once has EFC demanded that he retract his statements that the club arranged a sophisticated doping program or threaten to sue him and demand he provide proof of his words.

 

[blue healer]

Yes, youll believe the one your told to believe, wheres your info come from the media??? Good luck in life

As distinct from the one you tell us. As a point of interest what is your credible source that the EFC know what players were given and have supplied that info to ASADA?

 

[Big_Luch]

Essendon know as well and have told asada

no they don't. Hence why it is ridiculous that your club says they havent taken anything illegal despite not knowing what they have taken.

 

[threesixpio]

Yes I am categorically certain that due to erroneous advice given out by WADA's idiot cousin, ASADA, EFC players were given a banned substance, through no fault or negligence of their own. WADA have been complicit in this deception as well, denying EFC staff and players pertinent information, and retrospectively, re-writing history (in an Orwellian way).

Impossible to hand back a Brownlow, when history reflects that no Australian sportsperson could have reasonably understood the status of AOD 9604. ASADA didn't, so no-one could have. Bummer, hey?

And good luck with that (news)paper trail ASADA desperately need to shaft Dank and the EFC, re: TB 4. After the SC notices have been issued - and the investigation wrapped up. Cut and dried, yeah? Weez screwed.

It's interesting you admit this. What do you think of Doc Reid okaying AOD given that as a medical practitioner he was aware it was not fit for therapeutic purposes?

 

[nineteen eighty]

Dear Jakey, and rotund companion. McDevitt (CEO of ASADA) has made it crystal clear that all players are responsible for ingested products/foodstuffs/supplements, irrespective. Need a link?

Yes, some players were certainly dosed with the prohibited (by WADA) AOD 9604, but this will not be pursued by ASADA, due to a technicality of ASADA's making. Not due to any EFC action/inaction. An ASADA technicality.

To date, no player is being "banned", as you suggest/hope.

The EFC supporter base do have more than one brain cell, and elect to demonstrate their intellectual capacity by not posting speculative/wishful posts so demonstrably wrong, that they are able to be refuted as easily as yours. Moronic behaviour, indeed.

Take some "magic blue powder", and pray like hell ou are not "target tested". There's a mild risk you may have been exposed to a prohibited substance. Enjoy.

Agree with almost all your points Scales other than the final paragraph. Only an idiot would get picked up in a test. There are way too many options for players to take to not get picked up. EFC certainly didn't get picked up. As blackcat says, pissing hot is failing an IQ test.

 

[threesixpio]

Yes I am categorically certain that due to erroneous advice given out by WADA's idiot cousin, ASADA, EFC players were given a banned substance, through no fault or negligence of their own. WADA have been complicit in this deception as well, denying EFC staff and players pertinent information, and retrospectively, re-writing history (in an Orwellian way).

Impossible to hand back a Brownlow, when history reflects that no Australian sportsperson could have reasonably understood the status of AOD 9604. ASADA didn't, so no-one could have. Bummer, hey?

And good luck with that (news)paper trail ASADA desperately need to shaft Dank and the EFC, re: TB 4. After the SC notices have been issued - and the investigation wrapped up. Cut and dried, yeah? Weez screwed.

My view is that some non medically trained person at ASADA can never be a reliable source for an S0 substance. A Doctor on the other hand....


It is for these reasons that I don't think we have seen the last on AOD. Please note McDevitt has always spoken about the players not receiving SC notices for AOD. I would not be surprised if support staff get AOD SCns

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Oh no , jakeandfatman teh interwebz warrior thinks im stupid, oh noes.

I think the audience who believe that is far bigger than you can imagine

 

[Underdog]

The AFL's receptionist is considered to be an "AFL Official" the way their CMO is? Wow.

Well, to the letter of the law that you're going by, it makes no distinction between them.

a) Who says it was private?

You reckon it'd take 9 months to come out if it wasn't? I don't know for sure but from my understanding it was said at a private function. Harcourt also stated this and the AFLPA accepted his explanation.

b) What part of the AFL Anti doping code that prohibits AFL officials from commenting on an ongoing investigation do you not understand

Again, to the letter of the law that you're going by, they wouldn't even be able to talk to each other. Who is exempt? They can talk to people outside their organisation, like lawyers. IMO that rule relates to media comments and those that might compromise the investigation. Clearly these comments didn't.