Harry Taylor - Michael Jamison

[blue_trinity]

based on i've seen plenty of both of them, and imo Jamison's 08 was better, although its a strange comparison because Taylor is a chb who will hurt you on the more on the rebound and accumulate more possessions than Jamison who is primarily a stopper of his opponents. All be it quite a good one at that.

 

[D BRIDGE]

That just about sums it up

Jamison's 08 - better than Taylor's 08

Jamison's 09 - injured so people forget, especially when compared to a very good 09 from Taylor.

08 was Taylors first year in the AFL and held down CHB in a grand final team.
I know that stats dont always tell the story but in 08 stats wise Taylor had Jamison covered by so much it isnt funny.

08 stats (Taylors first year) Taylor Jamison
Disposals 15.6 8.9
Contested marks 0.5 0.1
Rebound 50s 3.1 3
Contested disopals 5 1.9
Marks from opposition kicks 1.6 0.4
Frees for 21 3
Frees against 9 17
Spoils 3.3 6.4

Clearly looks like Taylor had a much better year and the stats show that Jamison is pretty much just a stopper that spoils wilst Taylor can get his own ball, mark better and contribute in many more ways than just spoiling.

Anyway if anyone wants Jamion over Taylor thats sweet because Geelong people know who is clearly better.

 

[Schulzenfest]

08 was Taylors first year in the AFL and held down CHB in a grand final team.
I know that stats dont always tell the story but in 08 stats wise Taylor had Jamison covered by so much it isnt funny.

08 stats (Taylors first year) Taylor Jamison
Disposals 15.6 8.9
Contested marks 0.5 0.1
Rebound 50s 3.1 3
Contested disopals 5 1.9
Marks from opposition kicks 1.6 0.4
Frees for 21 3
Frees against 9 17
Spoils 3.3 6.4

When talking about stopping key defenders, the highlighted are the only stats that really mean anything. So Taylor is ahead of Jamison, but not by 'so much it isn't funny', and Jamison is well ahead on spoils.

 

[thebigboy]

I feel sorry for Jamieson as he has nobody who is any good around him.

Taylor is a far better player.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Jamison is a good underrated player.

Harry Taylor is a gun.

I think it's more like "Jamison is a good, underrated player. Harry Taylor is a very good player".

Jamison is underrated, but I think you're overrating Taylor a tad and generally speaking he is rated about right by the football public. There's not a lot between them but the fact that Taylor has performed really well in finals means you have to recognise Taylor as better at present.

Carltons style is more free wheeling so they concede more and score more. Capish.

But that's just code for "our team is full of unaccountable downhill skiers". Capiche?

IMHO Taylor gets tougher opponents than Scarlett.

Inclined to agree on this one, and the fact that he's done it in finals gives him the edge.

 

[sweet_daddy_coconut]

What round did he "smash" Bradshaw?

First game last year at etihad bradshaw was getting smshed by jamison and only started to kick goals once jamison went off with a injured shoulder

 

[Axel.]

First game last year at etihad bradshaw was getting smshed by jamison and only started to kick goals once jamison went off with a injured shoulder

One decent quarter doesn't mean he smashed Bradshaw.

He already kicked 3 before he went off anyways.

 

[Kramer1]

Strange poll. One a fairly dour full back, the other a mobile CHB who likes to zone off (or at least to my eyes). Interesting to note just one day separates them in age.

Hard to get a form line on Jamison due to injuries (and even when playing has often carried niggles). A dour stopper who holds his own in a contest, though definitely more comfortable with the hard leading forwards. Closing speed is a feature, neat spoil, and doesn't give away too many unnecessary frees. Can play tall and small and rarely beaten when fit. Great rookie draft value.

Liked Taylor from day one. Reads the ball well and zones off to advantage, positions his body well in a contest which more often than not compensates for any muscle he might be conceeding. Particularly good contested mark. Found in 08 that he would often sell his team mates into trouble with questionable decision making (often dicey handballs), but seems to have eliminated that from his game. GF on a half-fit Riewoldt might have blown out his rating just a little, but still one of the top 2-3 yound defenders in the game.

Durability doesn't get talked about enough on here (too busy discussing five game 'guns') and that's where Taylor clearly takes the points. Two full seasons in the first two years is a great result, and could not have come at a more crucial time for Geelong.

 

[winty]

Strange poll. One a fairly dour full back, the other a mobile CHB who likes to zone off (or at least to my eyes). Interesting to note just one day separates them in age.

Hard to get a form line on Jamison due to injuries (and even when playing has often carried niggles). A dour stopper who holds his own in a contest, though definitely more comfortable with the hard leading forwards. Closing speed is a feature, neat spoil, and doesn't give away too many unnecessary frees. Can play tall and small and rarely beaten when fit. Great rookie draft value.

Liked Taylor from day one. Reads the ball well and zones off to advantage, positions his body well in a contest which more often than not compensates for any muscle he might be conceeding. Particularly good contested mark. Found in 08 that he would often sell his team mates into trouble with questionable decision making (often dicey handballs), but seems to have eliminated that from his game. GF on a half-fit Riewoldt might have blown out his rating just a little, but still one of the top 2-3 yound defenders in the game.

Durability doesn't get talked about enough on here (too busy discussing five game 'guns') and that's where Taylor clearly takes the points. Two full seasons in the first two years is a great result, and could not have come at a more crucial time for Geelong.

So the fact that Taylor had a badly bruised hand for three quarters doesn't mean a thing? I'm staggered at how many excuses have been made up to explain Riewoldt's poor showing on GF day. If it's not the injury card, it's the weather. The reason he had a poor game wouldn't have anything to do with Taylor's 15 or so spoils on him by any chance, would it?

 

[Partridge]

Could Jamison slot easily into a premiership team in his first year?

Harry had the responsibility of playing on J Brown, Buddy, Riewoldt and Pav in his first season and earned his place.

Just look at his game against the AA Captain in the grand final.

No contest in my opinion. Taylor is extremely underrated because of all the stars around him. IMHO Taylor gets tougher opponents than Scarlett.

No he doesn't. It just depends on whether the opposition's best forward is a CHF or FF. For instance, Scarlett's usual opponents are Hall, Fevola, Bradshaw, Franklin. He always took Lloyd, Gehrig, and Rocca. Whoever plays closer to goal. For the same reason first Egan and now Taylor get Riewoldt, Brown, and Pavlich (although Scarlett slaughtered him in 2006 at Subi) and so on. Depends on who we're playing.

 

[Partridge]

So the fact that Taylor had a badly bruised hand for three quarters doesn't mean a thing? I'm staggered at how many excuses have been made up to explain Riewoldt's poor showing on GF day. If it's not the injury card, it's the weather. The reason he had a poor game wouldn't have anything to do with Taylor's 15 or so spoils on him by any chance, would it?

I'm not. There's no end to them it seems. It can't be the weather, as the weather was pretty similar 3 weeks before when Riewoldt was BOG against Collingwood. I think sections of the press just can't handle that their little darling was shown up on the big stage.

Further evidence is the 2008 Qualifying Final between the same two teams. Riewoldt was well beaten that day too. His opponent? Harry Taylor. Perhaps the Grand Final wasn't a one-off.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

One decent quarter doesn't mean he smashed Bradshaw.

He already kicked 3 before he went off anyways.

No he hadn't. Jamison held him goalless until he injured his shoulder, just like he did in round 21 of the previous season at the Gabba when he held Bradshaw either goalless or to one goal for the entire game.

Jamison has comprehensively beaten Bradshaw every time they have played.

If Jamo gets a good run with injury this year I am very confident he will earn the respect of other supporters, he isn't flashy but he gets the job done almost every time.

 

[Kramer1]

So the fact that Taylor had a badly bruised hand for three quarters doesn't mean a thing? I'm staggered at how many excuses have been made up to explain Riewoldt's poor showing on GF day. If it's not the injury card, it's the weather. The reason he had a poor game wouldn't have anything to do with Taylor's 15 or so spoils on him by any chance, would it?

Easy there precious...you seem to have skipped all of the praise I have given Taylor and zoned in the one potential negative. Pretty commonplace on here.

If you run onto the field in a GF you have no excuses, but I just observe that Riewoldt having a (reportedly) torn adductor makes Taylor's job a hell of a lot easier. Taylor played well and may well have Riewoldt's measure to date, but that is just one small part of his overall assessment.

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

Tails

 

[Sinner]

There you go Gibbanator the scholars of the polls world give the points to Harry Taylor. You suck. the end.

 

[j-ham]

If you wanted a full back you'd take Jamison or a CHB/3rd tall you'd take Taylor. Lame poll.

 

[gaz15]

Taylor comfortably at the moment. jamison has talent, but really has yet to prove himself.
IMO Taylor was BOG in the gf.

 

[Mandragoran]

Taylor unfortunately, the most recent year clearly went to Taylor although most blues supporters do rate Michael ‘The Blanket’ Jamo very highly (job on Kosi vs saints this year was awesome), myself included.

This could be a very interesting discussion in 8 months,.... or very uninteresting if The Blanket’s body doesn't come up

 

[Knackers26]

Very interesting poll. Jamo needs a full season to shade Taylor by a whisker. Hopefully his shoulders are now fit, and in time will prove his ilk.
With an injury free season will be in an AA backline