Society/Culture Has cancel culture gone too far?

[Scotland]

Gone With The Wind was made in 1939.

In 1939 actual Nazis were a thing. Germany was governed by them. There was no NBA. The MLB and NFL were all white. The NHL I assume was all white because it pretty much still is.

If you don't want to watch a movie with a hint of 1930s and 1860s attitudes and language maybe don't watch a movie made in 1939 and set in the 1860s.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I think it’s boredom and unfulfilled lives that leads to a lot of what we are talking about here. Even if we lived in Utopia you would still have some form of cancel culture. For me it’s no coincidence that a lot of this activism is driven by student types, and it’s the type of students who probably smoke a lot of weed and have a lot of time on their hands. It’s just a point of focus to fill their void and give their psyche the boost of supposed morality it probably requires as they enter those difficult years transitioning into adulthood

 

[WealstoneRaider]

This "cancel culture" idea is a right wing conspiracy.

It's simply PR — don't say or do bad things and you'll be fine.

Right wing conspiracy he said. “Saying or doing bad things” has become completely subjective in this evermore authoritarian landscape. I think that’s the issue


TV stations hiring private investigators to comb through social media


https://mol.im/a/8436417

 

[Caesar]

The imposition or threat of work being barred might lead to them self-censoring.

People who make art on an economic basis have always modified their artistic expression based on the demands of the market. I don’t see why this situation is any different or more harmful.

It's a noisy minority that complains about this stuff, and is listened to more than they should be. Which is not at all.

Says you. Why are you more qualified to tell people how to run their business than, y’know, people actually running their business?

Streaming markets are competitive. Content costs money to create and syndicate. Why keep a show that is controversial when there’s ten more where it came from?

Outside the realms of TV shows cancel culture is definitely a thing. Look at every time Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro or Milo Yiannopoulos (is he still a thing?) speak at a university in the US.

I have no idea who any of those people are, but the fact they are doing lecture tours is a fair indication they they are not ‘cancelled’.

The Colonial Brewing thing is just ridiculous. One bottle shop decides to stop selling the product because they link the name to colonialism, someone gets wind of it on social media and now the brewery is reviewing their name and it's a news story. The company MD is spot on when he says that changing the name won't make any real difference to anything, but they now have to balance negative PR vs their established brand value thanks to some fart sniffer on the other side of the country.

So a business is having to evaluate the opinions of the market on their product and this is a bad thing... how, exactly?

Have people honestly not got anything better to do? There's a Black Brewing Co and Cheeky Monkey Brewing Co in the same part of the world. Should bottle shops stop stocking their stuff for having names that could be construed as racist? If Melbourne wants to be Woke Central then where do people think the names Melbourne, Victoria, Batman, Bourke, Collins, Elizabeth, Phillip etc came from? Royal Botanic Gardens, Royal Park, Royal Children's Hospital FFS. They weren't named after a former Footscray player. Is there an end game to this crap? I can't help but feel that people have given up on doing anything useful so just complain about business and place names because it's low hanging fruit.

So much conservative stuff comes down to the slippery slope argument. It’s such a nonsense.

As always, it just reads like fear of slipping out of touch with the zeitgeist.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I'm sad to see the usual idiots resort to blaming the Russians.

 

[CatFan79]

I'm sad to see the usual idiots resort to blaming the Russians.

I blame Rupert Murdoch.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Gone With The Wind was made in 1939.

In 1939 actual Nazis were a thing. Germany was governed by them. There was no NBA. The MLB and NFL were all white. The NHL I assume was all white because it pretty much still is.

If you don't want to watch a movie with a hint of 1930s and 1860s attitudes and language maybe don't watch a movie made in 1939 and set in the 1860s.

That's why I always break the right side mirror off Volkswagens when I walk past them.

 

[Maddhew]

I think it’s boredom and unfulfilled lives that leads to a lot of what we are talking about here. Even if we lived in Utopia you would still have some form of cancel culture. For me it’s no coincidence that a lot of this activism is driven by student types, and it’s the type of students who probably smoke a lot of weed and have a lot of time on their hands. It’s just a point of focus to fill their void and give their psyche the boost of supposed morality it probably requires as they enter those difficult years transitioning into adulthood

You want some?


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[Scotland]

The only mild saving grace is that it's funny when it backfires.

Gotta be a lot of conflicted "progressives" out there watching Josh Thomas get dragged over the coals.

I watched the "controversial clip" and it's nothing. Literally just a discussion about whether casting an Indian actor as a 7/11 worker is racist vs whether casting a white actor is unrealistic.

 

[Kram]

From memory Roseanne was canned because the title character made a racist tweet and that put other cast members, writers etc. offside which put pressure on the network. I think services removing all seasons (i.e. stuff filmed in the 80s and 90s) from their libraries in response is a bit OTT, though.

TV networks, streaming services etc. are just businesses. I'm surprised Brooklyn 99 was cancelled (I like it) but it didn't rate that well. Ratings have picked up since it was revived by NBC they have gone up a bit but it's never been a massive ratings winner on either network. It hovers around 2-4m per ep. A handful of noisy superfans aren't going to get a series revived, but it seems to be enough to get one taken off air. How many people protested Fawlty Towers and Summer Heights High? It's a noisy minority that complains about this stuff, and is listened to more than they should be. Which is not at all.

Outside the realms of TV shows cancel culture is definitely a thing. Look at every time Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro or Milo Yiannopoulos (is he still a thing?) speak at a university in the US. People who want to go along and listen do, people who don't like them petition the universities to ban them from speaking, picket outside the shows, yell over the top of dialogue etc. It's puerile nonsense. I mean seeing those guys speak in a public forum isn't my cup of tea but they aren't "literally Hitler" as some seem to think. If you disagree with their positions then either don't listen to them and go outside and get some fresh air, or go along and participate in Q&As. I find the whole thing bizarre. If you can't handle some nerdy psychology professor talking about 'cultural neo marxists' and cleaning your room what the hell do you do when someone wants to hold a KKK rally?

The Colonial Brewing thing is just ridiculous. One bottle shop decides to stop selling the product because they link the name to colonialism, someone gets wind of it on social media and now the brewery is reviewing their name and it's a news story. The company MD is spot on when he says that changing the name won't make any real difference to anything, but they now have to balance negative PR vs their established brand value thanks to some fart sniffer on the other side of the country.

Have people honestly not got anything better to do? There's a Black Brewing Co and Cheeky Monkey Brewing Co in the same part of the world. Should bottle shops stop stocking their stuff for having names that could be construed as racist? If Melbourne wants to be Woke Central then where do people think the names Melbourne, Victoria, Batman, Bourke, Collins, Elizabeth, Phillip etc came from? Royal Botanic Gardens, Royal Park, Royal Children's Hospital FFS. They weren't named after a former Footscray player. Is there an end game to this crap? I can't help but feel that people have given up on doing anything useful so just complain about business and place names because it's low hanging fruit.

I think it’s boredom and unfulfilled lives that leads to a lot of what we are talking about here. Even if we lived in Utopia you would still have some form of cancel culture. For me it’s no coincidence that a lot of this activism is driven by student types, and it’s the type of students who probably smoke a lot of weed and have a lot of time on their hands. It’s just a point of focus to fill their void and give their psyche the boost of supposed morality it probably requires as they enter those difficult years transitioning into adulthood

 

[Scotland]

Says you. Why are you more qualified to tell people how to run their business than, y’know, people actually running their business?

I have no idea who any of those people are, but the fact they are doing lecture tours is a fair indication they they are not ‘cancelled’.

Of course says me. Who else is going to speak for me?

Your argument seems to be that if things aren't cancelled then cancel culture doesn't exist. So if people aren't successful in cancelling things then they weren't trying to cancel them?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Of course says me. Who else is going to speak for me?

Your argument seems to be that if things aren't cancelled then cancel culture doesn't exist. So if people aren't successful in cancelling things then they weren't trying to cancel them?

Trying to cancel cancel culture, is participating in cancel culture.

 

[Scotland]

Trying to cancel cancel culture, is participating in cancel culture.

Is not trying to cancel cancel culture, participating in cancel culture?

I think I need to lie down.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Trying to cancel cancel culture, is participating in cancel culture.

Not sure if you’re being tongue in cheek (I assume so) but if you’re not we’re talking about CC going too far, not wiping it out of existence. There’s always got to be accountability for someone’s actions or words, that’s always been the case. But the question is has it now encroached on our freedom to speak our minds openly on subjects that were not even deemed as taboo just a few years before? There’s too much of a “you must think this way” mentality that is being thrust on society

 

[Gavin Excell]

A few of us are heading over to Germany next week to tear down the autobahns

While it's acknowledged they are critical for Germany's economy thats not our concern.

They must be destroyed

 

[Frank Bunn]

People who make art on an economic basis have always modified their artistic expression based on the demands of the market. I don’t see why this situation is any different or more harmful.

I have no idea who any of those people are, but the fact they are doing lecture tours is a fair indication they they are not ‘cancelled’.

Milo Yiannopoulos is a social commentator. Without breaking any laws he has been chased off every publishing platform. He has effectively been cancelled. Kevin Spacey and Louis CK have effectively been cancelled by the MeToo movement. You could argue that it was because of their poor behaviour but there's plenty of other bad behaviour by celebrities that is overlooked. Russell Crowe, Boy George and Woody Allen continue to find work. It just depends on which orthodoxies of the age have been transgressed.

People being completely cancelled is rare - more common is a curtailment of someone's ability to express themselves freely, or make a living from their expression. It's spurious to claim that self-censorship due to the threat of having material being banned because of social media bullies is about 'demands of the market'.

Speaking events held by those people listed earlier, and others such as Nigel Farage, are often subject to violent protests to the extent that venues have to be kept undisclosed until the last minute. Attendees have to run the gauntlet of being punched and spat on as they enter. Both these factors could deter would be attendees. To really rub salt into the wounds, the Victorian government bills the event organisers for police time, when the heavy police presence was only required because of the protests. These things can add up to making events financially unviable, or even whole tours being cancelled.

 

[quotemokc]

Turning tables: Conservatives ‘call’ to cancel Yale for being named after slave trader

Conservatives got #CancelYale trending on Twitter and targeted liberals like Hillary Clinton in their effort to troll the left, calling for the Ivy League school to change its name because it’s named after a slave trader.

www.rt.com

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Normal Racist Feeling Like A Leftie After Conversation With Perth Racist

"I need to take a long hard look at myself" he says.

m.betootaadvocate.com

 

[truedemon]

Cancel culture isn't necessarily about cancelling people. It's about controlling artistic expression. If only part of someone's work is removed it could lead to a loss in their revenue and reputation. The imposition or threat of work being barred might lead to them self-censoring. It sets the boundaries that all artists have to work within.

its all about control of people who dont agree to the lunacy of the view & bring them in to line!

thats the only reason why marxist groups like antifa and BLM
liberalism and leftism has never ever worked as history shows, hence why they are trying to delete history

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

its all about control of people who dont agree to the lunacy of the view & bring them in to line!

thats the only reason why marxist groups like antifa and BLM
liberalism and leftism has never ever worked as history shows, hence why they are trying to delete history

Lol what was your old account?

 

[Kram]

Red Skins, Chicos to be renamed as Nestle says names are ‘out of step’ with company’s values

 

[quotemokc]

Red Skins, Chicos to be renamed as Nestle says names are ‘out of step’ with company’s values

Chico is Spanish for boy, methinks the product is more racist than the name. (not that its racist to begin with)

 

[Turnover]

Lol what was your old account?

U first

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

U first

My old username was herculez09 and I had a troll account called osamabenhudson in 2009 that was banned after like 4 posts.

Outside of that nothing.

 

[HairyO]

Chico is Spanish for boy, methinks the product is more racist than the name. (not that its racist to begin with)

Sexist as well as racist.