Has Sheedy ruined Hille?

[Denno]

Maybe this should be on the Essendon board, but it'd be good to get other supporters views.

Has Kevin Sheedy stalled, if not ruined, David Hille's career?

Sheedy always likes to regenerate players that are on the outer at other clubs. Matthew Allan is another to add to the list.

Hille was developing into a pretty decent ruckman last year, and now he looks barely a shadow of that player. His confidence seems to be rock bottom. He's gone from the #1 ruckman to looking like he will get dropped soon, if he doesn't get some form.

Has Sheedy's decision to recruit Allan stuffed Hille's development - possibly for good?

Thoughts?

 

[pazza]

Hard to say.

Hille's ruck skill could be better - which would help him out as a player.

 

[VANDA]

Dont think so.
hille has been carrying injuries this year undoubtedly. many players do i know but his have limited his mobility.

is still learning the caper & playing with Allan & being coached by Madden will no doubt improve his tap ruckwork

having said all of that though i agree he has struggled & personally i would like to see laycock being given a go but i think its drawing a long bow to suggest sheeds is 'ruining' hille.

 

[saintsrule]

Sheedy likes second hand players a la Barnes and Murphy who he thinks might win him premierships. Too bad no short cuts this time.

 

[VANDA]

Originally posted by saintsrule
Sheedy likes second hand players a la Barnes and Murphy who he thinks might win him premierships. Too bad no short cuts this time.

none of those at stkilda of course?

 

[saintsrule]

The calibre is perhaps a little higher.

 

[Red_Devil]

Hille looked very good last year. Seems be playing poorly with Allan. And with Essendon looking like pretenders more and more each week. I'm starting to think he should have played Hille more often this year.

I don't think his ruined his career. But he has slowed the proccess down.

 

[Cooldude]

I have to say in a way, yes, but unlike many other Essendon supporters, I actually rate Hille as a young ruckman.

I myself think that the team plays better as a whole when Hille is playing half-decently in the ruck. Allan is just there to win taps, doesn't give us anymore around the ground like Hille does, and in modern day football the ruckman's gotta do more than just winning taps.

 

[melbournemartin]

Originally posted by saintsrule
Sheedy likes second hand players a la Barnes and Murphy who he thinks might win him premierships. Too bad no short cuts this time.

barnes ploy worked in '00

 

[Stocka]

I reckon you're right Denno.

Against the Lions a few weeks ago, Allan was the #1 ruck for the game, with Hille coming on for relief. Allan was shot after the first quarter, due to him not being able to keep up with the pace of the game. Hille was virtually useless in stemming the tide once he came on, as the Lions had already established dominance.

In my opinion, Hille should be used as the #1 ruck, with Allan coming on as an experienced relief option.

 

[M29]

Hille was #1 for a few weeks. He had some sinus problems after round 1, couldn't fly home on the plane because of it. That's about the only 'injury' I can think of him having atm, and it certainly wouldn't last this long. After about 6 or 7 rounds Allan took over as #1 choice.

 

[VANDA]

Originally posted by M29
Hille was #1 for a few weeks. He had some sinus problems after round 1, couldn't fly home on the plane because of it. That's about the only 'injury' I can think of him having atm, and it certainly wouldn't last this long. After about 6 or 7 rounds Allan took over as #1 choice.

saw him at training 2 weeks ago undergoing a fairly extensive fitness test before coming back into the side & was not 100%.

 

[Effes]

Sheedy has some worries

Laycock got towled up yesterday by Callan Beasy..........who I might add is only 190cm tall

Carledge is nothing special either


Why does sheedy always seem to have problems developing big men?

Laycock pick 11 wasnt he?

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by Stocka

In my opinion, Hille should be used as the #1 ruck, with Allan coming on as an experienced relief option.

That's what they should be doing, but there might be the feeling that since they recruited Allan, they have to play him as the no.1 ruckman. They are falling into that trap, instead of giving Hille experience and use him as the long term option.

Hille, provided he's injury free, should be rucking for most of the time, Allan should be nothing more than a relief ruckman, but his form's been that good, they're falling into the trap of using him too much.

 

[Darealrath]

Hille's soft efforts and inept ruckwork have cost him, not Sheedy. Sheeds would love it if his form demanded to be no.1 ruck, but atm he's lucky to be no.2 ruck.

He's good enough to turn it around though - he's swung a few games in his young career when he's dominated the ruck.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Stocka
Against the Lions a few weeks ago, Allan was the #1 ruck for the game, with Hille coming on for relief. Allan was shot after the first quarter, due to him not being able to keep up with the pace of the game. Hille was virtually useless in stemming the tide once he came on, as the Lions had already established dominance.

Mmm, perhaps there's a reason he's #2 atm then? My recollection of the match was that the dominance Brisbane established in the midfield coincided with Hille replacing Allan in the ruck, at which point he got smashed.

In my opinion, Hille should be used as the #1 ruck, with Allan coming on as an experienced relief option.

The only problem with that idea is that when Hille was started in the ruck earlier in the year he was just a shyte as he is now.
Allan is not Hille's problem. Backbone is Hille's problem. Actually the lack of it to be more precise.

 

[cjwalkley]

I actually prefer Hille playing as a third tall in the forward line with Lloyd and Lucas/Bolton. His ruckwork has never impressed overly much and he can kick well from outside 50m. The issue is that Allan aside, Essendon has zero other competent ruckmen.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Originally posted by Dave
Mmm, perhaps there's a reason he's #2 atm then? My recollection of the match was that the dominance Brisbane established in the midfield coincided with Hille replacing Allan in the ruck, at which point he got smashed.

The only problem with that idea is that when Hille was started in the ruck earlier in the year he was just a shyte as he is now.
Allan is not Hille's problem. Backbone is Hille's problem. Actually the lack of it to be more precise.

Bingo - we have a winner.

People who think Hille can ruck - go back and watch him closely - see how often we are smashed in the middle when he is there - and watch how pitiful some of his attempts are. He is more concerned with the man than the ball.

For such a big guy he sure is a nancy boy.

Loads of talent and can still be a player - but he has disappointed terribly this year, and in part, is some of the reason why our season has stalled.

Get on the angry pills and go at the ball!!!

 

[SurreyBlue]

Personnally couldn't see the reason why Hille had been demoted to second string. Alan for mine should have been made to play second fiddle and therefore allowed Hille to keep developing. I don't buy the argument that Alan has been performing better therefore Sheedy's hand was forced, just hadn't seen that.

Alan was a good pick up for Essendon but I think it might come at a price.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Originally posted by SurreyBlue
Personnally couldn't see the reason why Hille had been demoted to second string. Alan for mine should have been made to play second fiddle and therefore allowed Hille to keep developing. I don't buy the argument that Alan has been performing better therefore Sheedy's hand was forced, just hadn't seen that.

Alan was a good pick up for Essendon but I think it might come at a price.

Hille got the gig in first ruck and performed terribly - all allan had to do was not get thrashed and he would take over the no. 1 mantle - and that is what he did.

 

[raskolnikov]

Originally posted by saintsrule
Sheedy likes second hand players a la Barnes and Murphy who he thinks might win him premierships. Too bad no short cuts this time.

Brett Voss
Aaron Hamill
Fraser Gehrig
Brent Guerra


Do these names ring a bell?

 

[Portia]

Regularly recruiting senior players to keep specific recruits you already have from playing isn't exactly a sign of confidence in those recruits. Ask Brent Guerra, Adam Morgan & Toby Thurstans.

It certainly would not be great fun being Hille, as it looks like he's had oodles of chances going on his number of games, but really hasn't.

 

[MaccasNeighbour]

I think Rhett Biglands of Adelaide is in a similar situation. He is not as good a ruckman as Clarke but is better around the ground than Clarke. If Clarke retires at the end of this year as many are predicting, will be interesting to see if Biglands becomes #1 ruck or if Hudson overtakes him.

 

[ant555]

Originally posted by Bluemike
Sheedy has some worries

Laycock got towled up yesterday by Callan Beasy..........who I might add is only 190cm tall

Carledge is nothing special either


Why does sheedy always seem to have problems developing big men?

Laycock pick 11 wasnt he?

Coming to this conclusion on the results of one game are we??

 

[dave_27]

Originally posted by Bluemike
Sheedy has some worries

Laycock got towled up yesterday by Callan Beasy..........who I might add is only 190cm tall

Carledge is nothing special either


Why does sheedy always seem to have problems developing big men?

Laycock pick 11 wasnt he?

geez laycock had one average game and he is finished, get off it. i guess the players who were on richards and dyson r finished by ur reckoning as they were pantsed.