Have we drafted too many talls?

[eth-dog]

hwen you think about it, we have drafted heaps of talls recently, and we have talent like Gumby, Neagle, Pears and Darcy, but maybe drafted 1 too many Talls? look at this:
Gumby (CHF)
Neagle (FF)
Ryder (CHB)
Pears (FB)
Darcy (CHF/HFF)
Hooker (FP/BP/FB/FF)
Chartres (FB/BP)
Bellchamber (R)

unless we try to develop Ryder as a ruck to back-up Bellchambers, who will be our second Ruck? Who plays at CHB? Chartres is a natural FB, same with Pears, and it looks like we want to develop Darcy and Hooker in the Forward line, so why did we only draft 1 ruckman and so many KPP's? starting future line-up:

B: Chartres-Pears-Slattery
HB: Nash-Ryder-Remo
C: Lovett-Watson-Stants
R: Belly-Houli-Myers
HF: Darcy-Gumby-Davey
FF: Hooker-Neagle-Monfires
Inter (From): Winder-Welsh-Dempsey-Jetta-Magin-Hocking-Lonergan-Hislop-NLM
your opinion wanted.

Oh and Gumby->back-up Ruck?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Chartres is a less skilled and coordinated version of Kepler Bradley. He has zero chance of playing AFL.

Hooker won't be afl standard ever.

Jury is still out on Pears and Daniher but both look likely types.

To answer your question..... no, we haven't drafted enough KPP.

 

[ant555]

Why did they not draft another ruckman ?
Becasue they would have gone into this year thinking Laycock should improve on the reasonably good form he showed last year.
Becasue Hille as number one still has a good 4 or so years left.
Given we still look like having a hole for a tall defender and we also look like we could use another ruck to develop then the question should be have we drafted too many tall forwards and not have we drafted too many talls.

 

[ant555]

Chartres is a less skilled and coordinated version of Kepler Bradley. He has zero chance of playing AFL.

Hooker won't be afl standard ever.

Jury is still out on Pears and Daniher but both look likely types.

To answer your question..... no, we haven't drafted enough KPP.

While agreeing that Danny will never be good enough for AFL football your coment about him being less skilled and coordinated than Bradley is rubbish. He is a much better kick than Bradley will ever be.
The resaon DC wont make it is he is too slow and he is not tall enough to hold down a key position spot.

 

[eth-dog]

While agreeing that Danny will never be good enough for AFL football your coment about him being less skilled and coordinated than Bradley is rubbish. He is a much better kick than Bradley will ever be.
The resaon DC wont make it is he is too slow and he is not tall enough to hold down a key position spot.

not tall enough, he's 194 cm, and he's probably just a little too slow, but can take out slower forwards like Clark, Hawkins, and Boyle. why not play him on one of them? got the big enough build

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

While agreeing that Danny will never be good enough for AFL football your coment about him being less skilled and coordinated than Bradley is rubbish. He is a much better kick than Bradley will ever be.
The resaon DC wont make it is he is too slow and he is not tall enough to hold down a key position spot.

Kicking is only one aspect of skill. He only just shades Bradley on that one but on everything else Bradley >> Chartres.

Thats why he plays VFL and doesn't dominate like Kepler did.

 

[retroparty]

We have got the right amount of young KPP players now we just need to draft a gun midfielder and the team will be well on the way to winning a premiership. We would have all the positions covered.

KPP forwards, Neagle and Gumbleton

KPP backs, Ryder, Pears and Daniher (Daniher can play both ends)

Players with X factor, Reimers, Jetta, Lovett and Davey

Hard at it midfielders, Lonergan and Watson

Hard running outside midfielders, Houli, Winderlich and Stanton

Useful utilites, Lovett Murray, Laycock and Myers

Add our more experienced players (Hille, McVeigh, Welsh, Rama, McPhee) and we have a good looking team for the future. Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher probably won't be around for the next premiership so I won't include them.

 

[loopy_cam]

We have got the right amount of young KPP players now we just need to draft a gun midfielder and the team will be well on the way to winning a premiership. We would have all the positions covered.

KPP forwards, Neagle and Gumbleton

KPP backs, Ryder, Pears and Daniher (Daniher can play both ends)

Players with X factor, Reimers, Jetta, Lovett and Davey

Hard at it midfielders, Lonergan and Watson

Hard running outside midfielders, Houli, Winderlich and Stanton

Useful utilites, Lovett Murray, Laycock and Myers

Add our more experienced players (Hille, McVeigh, Welsh, Rama, McPhee) and we have a good looking team for the future. Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher probably won't be around for the next premiership so I won't include them.

Daniher is a forward. He won't be a defender. That gives us three tall forwards and only two backs.

Add Hislop to the hard at it mids.

We need to draft one tall back as first peference to make the list complete IMO.

 

[bomba4eva]

Daniher is a forward. He won't be a defender. That gives us three tall forwards and only two backs.

Add Hislop to the hard at it mids.

We need to draft one tall back as first peference to make the list complete IMO.

Daniher may well be grommed for a position in defence. Off the top of my head he played in defence when we played Port this year. Definitely a viable option as a backman. KPD is what we need. Another top-line midfielder would be great.

 

[Phat Toni]

Daniher may well be grommed for a position in defence. Off the top of my head he played in defence when we played Port this year. Definitely a viable option as a backman. KPD is what we need. Another top-line midfielder would be great.

To answer the thread question, no we haven't drafted enough talls.

We need more tall backman, as we have seen Mal is gone and Fletch has maybe a year left in him, which makes us a few short in the backline. Darcey maybe is the man, remember he played as a utility for the Cannons but mostley as a backman, just dosent look mobile enough to be a backman but maybe he needs another preseason to get the body working properly. Pears is another option down back but the jury is still out, looks a likley type no doubt, but we haven't seen any evidence he will be a certafied 200 game FB or a CHB, yet!

Talls who aren't going to make it (at this stage things can change) are;
Charters
Hooker
Lazycock
Johns
Lee

which leaves us with;
Forward options:
Neagle (6 Games)
Gumby (4)
Daniher (3)??maybe backline??

Back Options
Ryder (44)
Daniher ??maybe forward??
Pears (5)

Ruck
Belle (1)

All in all we desparetly need games in the young talls and need another ruckman and another backman, because whether we like it or not and no matter how good the names look not all of the above players are going to make it.

 

[Phat Toni]

hwen you think about it, we have drafted heaps of talls recently, and we have talent like Gumby, Neagle, Pears and Darcy, but maybe drafted 1 too many Talls? look at this:
Gumby (CHF)
Neagle (FF)
Ryder (CHB)
Pears (FB)
Darcy (CHF/HFF)
Hooker (FP/BP/FB/FF)
Chartres (FB/BP)
Bellchamber (R)

unless we try to develop Ryder as a ruck to back-up Bellchambers, who will be our second Ruck? Who plays at CHB? Chartres is a natural FB, same with Pears, and it looks like we want to develop Darcy and Hooker in the Forward line, so why did we only draft 1 ruckman and so many KPP's? starting future line-up:

B: Chartres-Pears-Slattery
HB: Nash-Ryder-Remo
C: Lovett-Watson-Stants
R: Belly-Houli-Myers
HF: Darcy-Gumby-Davey
FF: Hooker-Neagle-Monfires
Inter (From): Winder-Welsh-Dempsey-Jetta-Magin-Hocking-Lonergan-Hislop-NLM
your opinion wanted.

Oh and Gumby->back-up Ruck?

You have set that team up well bolded IMO wont ever get the chance to play in that team and with Gumby in the ruck Poor kid cant play a game due to injuries so I would keep him out of there, the question is would you ever want Nick Riewoldt playing in the ruck? Because I think Gumby has a similar stlye to his game as big Nick.

 

[The Dustbin]

hwen you think about it, we have drafted heaps of talls recently, and we have talent like Gumby, Neagle, Pears and Darcy, but maybe drafted 1 too many Talls? look at this:
Gumby (CHF)
Neagle (FF)
Ryder (CHB)
Pears (FB)
Darcy (CHF/HFF)
Hooker (FP/BP/FB/FF)
Chartres (FB/BP)
Bellchamber (R)

unless we try to develop Ryder as a ruck to back-up Bellchambers, who will be our second Ruck? Who plays at CHB? Chartres is a natural FB, same with Pears, and it looks like we want to develop Darcy and Hooker in the Forward line, so why did we only draft 1 ruckman and so many KPP's? starting future line-up:

B: Chartres-Pears-Slattery
HB: Nash-Ryder-Remo
C: Lovett-Watson-Stants
R: Belly-Houli-Myers
HF: Darcy-Gumby-Davey
FF: Hooker-Neagle-Monfires
Inter (From): Winder-Welsh-Dempsey-Jetta-Magin-Hocking-Lonergan-Hislop-NLM
your opinion wanted.

Oh and Gumby->back-up Ruck?

You do know that Chartres is on the rookie list... Magin will be on the rookie list next year, not sure about Dick and Chartres.

Gumby won't be used as a back up ruckman.

 

[ant555]

not tall enough, he's 194 cm, and he's probably just a little too slow, but can take out slower forwards like Clark, Hawkins, and Boyle. why not play him on one of them? got the big enough build

Have you seen him try and take on the big tall forwards in the VFL ?
I base my assesment on games i have seen him play in defence for Bendigo and not just some numbers on a page.He has not done well on the bigger blokes when he has played defence.

 

[ant555]

Daniher may well be grommed for a position in defence. Off the top of my head he played in defence when we played Port this year. Definitely a viable option as a backman. KPD is what we need. Another top-line midfielder would be great.

Always looked better as a forward in the TAC Cup and played 75% of his time there. All his better games have been on the back of him playing as a CHF.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

I think Cale Hooker mught surprise a few people. Toruble with most people, you expect a kid to be a gun straight away. Some players wont play AFL at all in their first season, they are not ready. Hooker is one of them. I truly think he may still turn out to be one of the steals of the draft.

 

[james_omahoney]

hwen you think about it, we have drafted heaps of talls recently, and we have talent like Gumby, Neagle, Pears and Darcy, but maybe drafted 1 too many Talls? look at this:
Gumby (CHF)
Neagle (FF)
Ryder (CHB)
Pears (FB)
Darcy (CHF/HFF)
Hooker (FP/BP/FB/FF)
Chartres (FB/BP)
Bellchamber (R)

unless we try to develop Ryder as a ruck to back-up Bellchambers, who will be our second Ruck? Who plays at CHB? Chartres is a natural FB, same with Pears, and it looks like we want to develop Darcy and Hooker in the Forward line, so why did we only draft 1 ruckman and so many KPP's? starting future line-up:

B: Chartres-Pears-Slattery
HB: Nash-Ryder-Remo
C: Lovett-Watson-Stants
R: Belly-Houli-Myers
HF: Darcy-Gumby-Davey
FF: Hooker-Neagle-Monfires
Inter (From): Winder-Welsh-Dempsey-Jetta-Magin-Hocking-Lonergan-Hislop-NLM
your opinion wanted.

Oh and Gumby->back-up Ruck?

No, we haven't.

 

[Windas_Magic]

I think we're set as key forwards go but still lack a key defender. Ryder is coming along nicely at CHB but may change position we he has a developed body and we have question marks over our next FB. Obviously Pears is a hopeful but even he has question marks over where his perminant position will be.

 

[Ari]

No..

 

[The_Young_Gun]

I think we're set as key forwards go but still lack a key defender. Ryder is coming along nicely at CHB but may change position we he has a developed body and we have question marks over our next FB. Obviously Pears is a hopeful but even he has question marks over where his perminant position will be.

Darcey Daniher, Andrew Lee, just to add to your list...

Pears would have to be our next Full Back no doubt though, he might not be tall enough for it (191cm), but his closing speed would be the factor of his game... you could compare him with Mal Michael, 190cm, 100kg, just get Tait in the Weight room for a few more years and there you have an identical Mal Michael in the Making.

On the other hand you have Daniher and Lee, Daniher who has been known to play off half back and Lee the same case. Both could possibly play full back (Very unlikely) but anything can happen.

As for Ryder, he has pretty much the exact same characteristics as Fletcher no doubt about it (Fletch 199c, Ryder 199cm.ect), Ryder could just slide into the Full Back possition easily once Fletch retires. Thus giving Daniher, Pears, Lee Whoever???? to take the half back role.

In the end its just a jigsaw puzzle, you only have to get the pieces to fit in the end and afterwards its just smooth sailing.

 

[Smyth94]

Darcey Daniher, Andrew Lee, just to add to your list...

Pears would have to be our next Full Back no doubt though, he might not be tall enough for it (191cm), but his closing speed would be the factor of his game... you could compare him with Mal Michael, 190cm, 100kg, just get Tait in the Weight room for a few more years and there you have an identical Mal Michael in the Making.

Scarlett and Glass are both 192cm - Pears' height isn't an issue I would think

 

[Ben the Gooner]

We need another this year, so no.

 

[Longy413]

I actually reckon Hooker might be alright.

I agree with Chartres not being up to it.

With Johns and Lee likely to be cut from the list, we need to draft more.
We should be drafted at least one tall in each draft period going forward.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think we have got the balance right but we do need a GUN MIDFIELDER soon otherwise these talls will not get the supply to show their skills

 

[The Dustbin]

One name that hasn't been mentioned yet is Dean Dick....

Interesting player. Appears to have all the skills, yet on the field he just seems to cruise, lacks any intensity in his tackling and doesn't like body contact. Moves really well for his size (Reminds me a little of Kouta), can take a fair grab and roost the ball 50m +.

Like I said he just appears to lack any intensity and at times comes across as a lazy, not interested footballer. Having said that I've seen a small improvement in his on field application, particularly against Nth Ballarat wear he ran and tackled, had 2nd and 3rd efforts and applied some good shepards.

So we know he has got it in him. But has he left it too late? Or has Knighter seen enough to keep him at EFC next year?

I'm sitting on the fence, I wasn't convinced last year but he has shown improvment thus far and may be worth percevering for another season.

Thoughts....

 

[Jesse Custer]

One name that hasn't been mentioned yet is Dean Dick....

Interesting player. Appears to have all the skills, yet on the field he just seems to cruise, lacks any intensity in his tackling and doesn't like body contact. Moves really well for his size (Reminds me a little of Kouta), can take a fair grab and roost the ball 50m +.

Like I said he just appears to lack any intensity and at times comes across as a lazy, not interested footballer. Having said that I've seen a small improvement in his on field application, particularly against Nth Ballarat wear he ran and tackled, had 2nd and 3rd efforts and applied some good shepards.

So we know he has got it in him. But has he left it too late? Or has Knighter seen enough to keep him at EFC next year?

I'm sitting on the fence, I wasn't convinced last year but he has shown improvment thus far and may be worth percevering for another season.

Thoughts....

I totally agree Dusty with your post. This kid has the potential to be anything but has to improve his intensity, concentration and consistency levels before we can take him seriously. I think Knighta has seen something in him like we all have, but his patience levels will be the crucial factor on Dicks future at the club. Personally, i would love to see the kid perform and be a good player for this club, because obviously it would be great to watch.