Toast Haysman Bruised

[finbarr]

Dead man walking unfortunately, returns calls going by the posts and does a lot of media.

Information is there has been a complete walk out of all staff over a 3 year period, very focussed on his personal image and only interested in talking to people that will help him look good.

Apparantly his recruitments from West End have been disastrous and board has had to step in for the debt campaign as many donors from the corporate segment would not talk to him.

Nice guy but not respected by football dept and track record in revenue generation looks appalling if you read the annual reports in 2009, 2010 and 2011 looks like its totally reliant on debt demolition

The hard part is if its Haysman or somebody else it would be a tough job

Thanks god for the AFL, so credit on that one if he is mates with Andy D

Yeah, nah. Complete opposite from my experience.

 

[finbarr]

A master of image management but dig deeper and you will find truth in what Milde has said.

Oh yes. You're Mark Williams' friend.

 

[Milde29]

You got it Resilience

Lets just say many insiders (and past insiders) are well aware of the smoke screen. 3 years now and we are still blowing the same smoke and just speak to any staff member that has exited.

We made a profit of 900k in 2007 and broke even in 2006 and we lose $5 million in 2010, come on!!!!

I knew the great Ian McLachlan well who passed away recently and he was dismayed with what has happened in Haysman and Duncs time. He was disgusted with the abdication of responsibility of this group.

Anyway we will lose another 3-4 million this year and we will keep pushing out the same crap.

I just cant believe how gullible our members are but then again most have given up so maybe it is just the ones who want to believ

The people in the know, know he is no good. He is trying but he apparantly doesnt know where to start. But he returns members calls!!! and Ruccis and Chris McDermott and David Wildy etc etc etc

 

[finbarr]

You got it Resilience

Lets just say many insiders (and past insiders) are well aware of the smoke screen. 3 years now and we are still blowing the same smoke and just speak to any staff member that has exited.

We made a profit of 900k in 2007 and broke even in 2006 and we lose $5 million in 2010, come on!!!!

I knew the great Ian McLachlan well who passed away recently and he was dismayed with what has happened in Haysman and Duncs time. He was disgusted with the abdication of responsibility of this group.

Anyway we will lose another 3-4 million this year and we will keep pushing out the same crap.

I just cant believe how gullible our members are but then again most have given up so maybe it is just the ones who want to believ

The people in the know, know he is no good. He is trying but he apparantly doesnt know where to start. But he returns members calls!!! and Ruccis and Chris McDermott and David Wildy etc etc etc

Funny how you and Resilience "both" appear online simultaneously to respond to each others posts.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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Information is there has been a complete walk out of all staff over a 3 year period, very focussed on his personal image and only interested in talking to people that will help him look good.
....

Now that is just crap. There are plenty of staff that were there at the end of 2008 who are still there.

 

[Milde29]

I am a great fan of yours REH

Who is left though???? Hitaf gone, Finance guy gone, PR gone, HR person gone, Steve Olech gone, Aaron _____? gone, Jihad gone, Membership manager gone, SArah game day lady gone, I know theres more but no more coming to mind at the minute.

Anyway REH I think the next phase is inevitable and no I dont know Resilience

I live in hope that we are on track but I just cant see anything outside AO. I feel like I am getting bullshitted to at evrything I attend and everything I read

 

[finbarr]

I was suggesting you and Resilience are the same person. And it's clear you're either close to the Williams family or part of the Williams family from your posting here. And that you have a massive axe to grind with the current admin at Port. I actually think you might be Jenny.

 

[Forzaport]

*Starts digging through Milde29's and Resilience's posts...

EDIT: Yeah, there's a clear bias against the CEO and support for Choco. Give Choco my regards Milde29/Resilience and slap him for drafting Harding.

 

[Powerade 08]

Who is left though???? Hitaf gone, Finance guy gone, PR gone, HR person gone, Steve Olech gone, Aaron _____? gone, Jihad gone, Membership manager gone, SArah game day lady gone, I know theres more but no more coming to mind at the minute.

Is this a bad thing or are you just complaining because you don't like change?

If Haysman wanted to look good he wouldn't have taken the Port job.

 

[finbarr]

Who is left though???? Hitaf gone, Finance guy gone, PR gone, HR person gone, Steve Olech gone, Aaron _____? gone, Jihad gone, Membership manager gone, SArah game day lady gone, I know theres more but no more coming to mind at the minute.

Didn't Hitaf leave at the same time as JJ? If so this is before Haysman even got to the club. You're being pretty mischievous, Milde29.

Edit - I just checked. Hitaf actually handed her resignation to John James.


http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/tabid/6038/Default.aspx?newsid=61646

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I am a great fan of yours REH

Who is left though???? Hitaf gone, Finance guy gone, PR gone, HR person gone, Steve Olech gone, Aaron _____? gone, Jihad gone, Membership manager gone, SArah game day lady gone, I know theres more but no more coming to mind at the minute.

Most of those people big profile ones left at about the same time as John James left. Steve Olech got a great offer within weeks of James leaving, the same with Hitaf. You can't blame Haysman for them. The PR position has been a disaster since Hitaf left. Isn't Amber Brooks the HR peron Haysman brought in? She is still around. Was at the start of 2011.

I have heard, that a few people that were let go just couldn't cut the mustard. I don't know for sure as I don't have day to day involvement, but Duncanson and Haysman are attached at the hip. So if one needs to go, then both need to go, because they act in unison.

Anyway REH I think the next phase is inevitable and no I dont know Resilience

I live in hope that we are on track but I just cant see anything outside AO. I feel like I am getting bullshitted to at evrything I attend and everything I read

Since I have been back in SA - 16 months -I have gone to all the members info night, One PAFC, AGM etc bar one.

The same message has been at all of them by both Duncanson and Haysman. We have short, medium and long term strategies. The big ones that will make a big difference are the medium and long term ones. We have big short term issues ie revenue generation. Both Duncanson and Haysman stress this at the end of their talks how big the short term challenges are.They always said its time to sign up and turn up. I have called our short term revenue challage as massive several times on here. I'm not sure if its gotten through to our people yet.

I am stuffed if I know how you can blame Haysman if only 16,000 people turn up to watch or games. When we crash and burn against a bunch of kids that does damage a CEO can't undo over night.

Since being back in SA, it has been eye opening as too how poisonous the public and business environment is against our club. That's why a few of us have put in train some steps to get sponsorship and income from outside SA to help our club.

But FFS we need our supporters to support and not give up. Shit if gave up as easy as so many of our supporters, I wouldn't be in the position to soon be able to do something decent to help out the club.

 

[Milde29]

Male not female!

Lets see where it goes from here, I definitely have a bias against whats going on and I am not a lone ranger. I think its a disgrace how we are performimng as a club and I blame the SANFL mostly but I think our current leadership is at best very ordinary.

I think he is dead man walking but lets see how it goes

I again repeat I dont know Resilience, I dont know Mark Williams and I go to every game with my dad since day one.

Just dealing with the facts and decipher the crap we are sometimes told

 

[Milde29]

Fair point re 16000, the greatest CEO in the world cant help us there

I just feel like I have been fed bullshit for 2 years. REH are you qualified for CEO and we can move Haysman to membership manager

 

[PortBrillance]

You got it Resilience

Lets just say many insiders (and past insiders) are well aware of the smoke screen. 3 years now and we are still blowing the same smoke and just speak to any staff member that has exited.

We made a profit of 900k in 2007 and broke even in 2006 and we lose $5 million in 2010, come on!!!!

I knew the great Ian McLachlan well who passed away recently and he was dismayed with what has happened in Haysman and Duncs time. He was disgusted with the abdication of responsibility of this group.

Anyway we will lose another 3-4 million this year and we will keep pushing out the same crap.

I just cant believe how gullible our members are but then again most have given up so maybe it is just the ones who want to believ

The people in the know, know he is no good. He is trying but he apparantly doesnt know where to start. But he returns members calls!!! and Ruccis and Chris McDermott and David Wildy etc etc etc

We made the ****ing GF in 07 and finished 2nd on the ladder with crowds in the mid 30k during the season, including 40k+ in the last three home matches.

**** off troll, Haysman is a legend and the only person keeping this club alive

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Fair point re 16000, the greatest CEO in the world cant help us there

I just feel like I have been fed bullshit for 2 years. REH are you qualified for CEO and we can move Haysman to membership manager

If my technology development project gets off the ground - or a version of it with some stuff I have started working on in the Kimberley's, tieing into the mining boom, then I want to do a Pickard not a Duncanson or Haysman.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

If my technology development project gets off the ground - or a version of it with some stuff I have started working on in the Kimberley's, tieing into the mining boom, then I want to do a Pickard not a Duncanson or Haysman.

You can roll Pickard/Duncanson together and do a McGuire.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

You can roll Pickard/Duncanson together and do a McGuire.

Born the same year as Eddie, like a lot of his strategies, plays hardball, tells the AFL where to go, uses the bully pulpit, lots of energy, likes to express his opinions ... yeah I can do an Eddie ... but I don't exaggerate as much as Eddie .. that's what I call him Eddie the Exaggerator. I don't have his TV BS industry background.

The only problem if i did an Eddie is that I world fine every player who can't do a Russell Ebert Handball ie every version of what the great man could do, $25,000. There is a potential $1mil+ cost savings if our players didn't listen.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

We made the ****ing GF in 07 and finished 2nd on the ladder with crowds in the mid 30k during the season, including 40k+ in the last three home matches.

**** off troll, Haysman is a legend and the only person keeping this club alive

Also 2007 was the first year of the 2007-11 TV deal and it was the first year that every club got $1.2mil/year x 5 years as a result of the increased TV rights $$.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

We made the ****ing GF in 07 and finished 2nd on the ladder with crowds in the mid 30k during the season, including 40k+ in the last three home matches.

**** off troll, Haysman is a legend and the only person keeping this club alive

I think you might find that is Andrew Demetriou.

 

[Macca19]

Yeah I dunno about the detractors of Haysman. Its going to be trickky to rate what he and Dunc have done for our club. There is no doubt that a lot of bad things have happened since their time at the club, but how much of that is their doing, and how much was just inevitable no matter who was running the club?

The way I see it, Haysman and Duncanson have been quite public and forthright in what need to happen to save this club, and have done since the very start. Just about the first thing Haysman did was hold a press conference to state the stadium deal was shit and unworkable and would send us under. They got us funding from both the SANFL and the AFL. They pushed the Adelaide Oval deal heavily. Theyve improved corporate dollars after losing our two long term major sponsors in Scotts and Vodafone before their arrival, and then a third after Bianco proved to be a semi-disaster.

On field we have been pants and the main issue surrounding our club being the front running supporter base is hardly their doing. From what I can tell, theyve tried everything to try and get people to games.

Overall I think their time will be thought of on a positive slant in what has been trying times for the club.

 

[Resilience]

Back again and I am not or do not know Milde ..well I don't think so anyway. I read what he wrote and backed it up as I had heard the same things.
Just because you don't like what he says or I suggest doesn't mean that you need to be rude. Amber Brooks (responsible for club culture I think) resigned before the season started and I had also heard head hunting by the CEO isn't permitted anymore.
I am also interested to one day speak to the media guy (Stargate ??) who resigned within a week of starting at the club. I don't know all of the answers but I will continue to ask questions..
So i supported Williams..big deal..can't believe a club who was broke thinks it was OK for a CEO and Board to arrange a payout and then we all just go that's OK.. If memberships were like shares I think I am within my rights to ask that question.
Some of us choose to take a different view but I wonder why the club insider who was giving support wasn't named..Usually when you say very nice things people are happy to do so. Maybe it makes a better story with an anonymous insider being quoted.
You are entitled to your views but like the coaching sagas we don't all have to agree.

 

[SwampRat]

Funny how you and Resilience "both" appear online simultaneously to respond to each others posts.

I noticed the same thing too.

 

[240volt]

With the AFL handing out the cash it gives these blokes running the club a free spin.
Bit like wheel of fortune....Top Dollar!!

 

[Francis Soyer]

You got it Resilience

Lets just say many insiders (and past insiders) are well aware of the smoke screen. 3 years now and we are still blowing the same smoke and just speak to any staff member that has exited.

We made a profit of 900k in 2007 and broke even in 2006 and we lose $5 million in 2010, come on!!!!

I knew the great Ian McLachlan well who passed away recently and he was dismayed with what has happened in Haysman and Duncs time. He was disgusted with the abdication of responsibility of this group.

Anyway we will lose another 3-4 million this year and we will keep pushing out the same crap.

I just cant believe how gullible our members are but then again most have given up so maybe it is just the ones who want to believ

The people in the know, know he is no good. He is trying but he apparantly doesnt know where to start. But he returns members calls!!! and Ruccis and Chris McDermott and David Wildy etc etc etc

Do you think the amount of profit and loss in those years you mentioned have any correlation with where we finished on the ladder? Doesn't matter who was running the club the way we have played on the field since 2007 GF the club was always destined to struggle off the field. What club makes money from playing mediocre all the time.

Haysman and Duncs got shafted by guys like Boulton signing stadiums deals that kills our club when we go through lean times on the field. Boulton and co have ****ed the club up with the deal they signed with the SANFL. This deal would be fine if we finished in the top eight every year but everyone knows a clubs time in the AFL is cyclical. Did Boulton and the board capitalise from our on field success 2001-2007 in terms of support for the future? I think not.

Not to mention resigning of Choco after 2004 to $900k a year contract. I would of rather Clarko or Bails take over for $250,000 a year and tell choco thanks for everything but we cant afford you good luck for the future. I don't think any of the previous boards did sensitivity analysis to forecast what would happen to cash flow if we are not consistently in the 8 and our crowds drop to 20,000. They expected our supporter base to exponentially grow.

Duncs and Haysman in my mind have done a great job making Port Adelaide one club and pointing out all the road blocks that the $ANFL have put up and initiating the Adelaide Oval move. If we are around longer enough I think Matty and the club are headed in the right direction and we will be successful again sooner than later.

 

[Resilience]

Quote from paper today...The SANFL's discussions come as the Sunday Mail learned Port Adelaide had collected only a fifth of its sponsorship revenue this year, leaving it with a massive cash-flow problem and forced to seek legal advice.

The bottom line is Williams was reappointed on this groups watch (whether we like it or not)
Once again all I ask is it appropriate or prudent to allow a huge payout of money we did not have. The buck stops with the CEO and the President.

My other concern is if you do not service sponsors and high end supporters then they tend not to renew. The reports on here that are experienced by members also has happened to some of them and they simply don't care to stay involved.

I wonder if Milde is laughing as much as I am at how much time you spend on who is online at the same time as others. Sit back enjoy the debate and wonder if... just if.. we are telling the truth and that 2 independent people are getting the same information...Maybe there is some cause for concern and it is affecting the team on the field too.

Don't question..don't hold anyone accountable then that is of course your right.