Henderson is a backman

[windows]

Probably been done before here but anyway here goes.

The guy is not a forward. He isn't fast enough to get separation and he isn't strong enough to throw blokes aside. He doesn't have a big enough leap nor good enough hands to clunk marks. He also isn't a brilliant 'forward pressure' guy. Which all means that he is going to struggle as a forward.

On the other hand, I think he reads the play well, is very composed with the ball, doesn't fumble the ground ball and works well through traffic. He's a nice height and holds his feet under the high ball.

All adds up to defender to me and the team desperately needs another genuine tall. I'd like to see him play down back for a couple of weeks in the VFL and all going well then brought up against the Cats to play on a player like Pods.

Thoughts?

 

[Alpha1]

He goes ok as a CHF as well, prefer him in the forward line, once he is match fit along with Kruz is going to be awesome.

 

[blue gunslinger]

2 late changes
Army and Carlos come in
Yaz and Hammer Out


no wait....

 

[Alpha1]

Murphy out?

 

[mac25]

You certainly have some relevant points, as probably the key criteria for most long term key forwards is quickness over the first 5 metres & ability to take contested mark, not sure Hendo ticks either box to become a real A grade key forward, certainly can see him being a servicable forward, but needs to improve in these areas to go beyond this level.

It may be worth considering although, with Bower to comeback & Watson and possibly McCarthy longer term, we probably have fewer options for CHF, hopefully Hendo can improve in these areas.

 

[blue gunslinger]

A backman needs desperation, high octane energy levels, dedication to the cause, ability to work as a piece of a cohesive unit, ability to be one step ahead of the play



leave him forward for a while yet-still young and learning

 

[AlecDuncan]

You're totally wrong about Hendo's pace. He's very quick - at least he is when he's fit. Quicker than Waite for instance, and as quick as a lot of midfielders.

He doesn't have a lot of body strength yet, but he will. He won't grow into a Jonathan Brown-like monster, or even a Travis Cloke, but he'll provide years of quality lead-up CHF work. And he's a beautiful kick for goal - something we need more of.

Definitely keep up forward.

Don't confuse the Hendo that's recovering from hip surgery with what he will be.

 

[blues4flag]

Don't confuse the Hendo that's recovering from hip surgery with what he will be.

This. We saw very good signs last year, with him kicking 25 goals in 19 games, including 10 goals in his last 4 games.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Thoughts?

You're dead wrong.

He plays at AFL standard as a backman better presently, because he has played in the back line far more frequently than in the forward line - Granted.

This is a player that coaches down at the Falcons suggested was one of the most talented forwards that they had produced.

Keep in mind, the Falcons have also reared names like JB and Scotty Lucas, and his draft position 'dived' due to the injury he copped in his final junior year.

He covers ground with superlative ease, in the mould of champion CHFs, and at 21, he has plenty of time left to prove himself.

 

[Artie Bucco]

I think you're wrong. His form in the second half of last year showed he can stick his marks and provide very good forward pressure. One of his best attributes is running around the ground, which isn't there at the moment. I'll give you the strength call, definitely needs to improve here but he is very young so it will take time.

The only thing Hendo needs to do is get some miles into his legs and get some mongrel into his game.

 

[Silvagnis]

Forward...Henderson's fitness is just miles off the pace...Looked a shadow of the 2010 version in a contest with Folau that was shown on the idiot box...Lachie was just going up and down on the spot...Lacks the conditioning for the second efforts that we saw last year.

 

[Henderlenko]

You'll be surprised how effectively three little letters "yet" can swap someone from looking like a muppet, to a somewhat decent thinker. Let me demonstrate.

Probably been done before here but anyway here goes.

The guy is not a forward. He isn't fast enough yet to get separation and he isn't strong enough yet to throw blokes aside. He doesn't have a big enough leap yet nor good enough hands yet to clunk marks. He also isn't a brilliant 'forward pressure' guy yet. Which all means that he is going to struggle as a forward.

Maybe this post wont come back to bite you in the rear end come seasons end now...

 

[Quazza]

forward for mine. And the big young ones take time. Look at Kennedy

 

[Blue and Silver]

Henderson is in the Nick Riedwoldt-mould as a forward. His greatest strength is his incredible work-rate and ability to burn off opponents through sheer effort, which is a great rarity for a man his size. His leads are very good, and his vision for space and time excellent.

Currently he cannot take advantage of his greatest attributes as he lacks the supreme fitness required to sufficiently use them. He is not, nor likely ever will be, a pack-marking gorilla. He may take the odd one in his career but it will not be an attribute of his game. Rather the repeat leads and work up the ground to create space for teammates will always be his greatest assets.

HE IS NOT A DEFENDER. Or at the very least should not be considered for a long period time in this role. His defensive work in the past has been adequate but his body work as a forward isn't great and it would be exposed in defense.

 

[T2B_]

You're totally wrong about Hendo's pace. He's very quick - at least he is when he's fit. Quicker than Waite for instance, and as quick as a lot of midfielders.

He doesn't have a lot of body strength yet, but he will. He won't grow into a Jonathan Brown-like monster, or even a Travis Cloke, but he'll provide years of quality lead-up CHF work. And he's a beautiful kick for goal - something we need more of.

Definitely keep up forward.

Don't confuse the Hendo that's recovering from hip surgery with what he will be.

This.

He'll be fine once he can get properly fit and more pre-seasons into him of course. As mentioned, he was kicking 2-3 goals a game towards the end of last year.

 

[Sin City]

He's a forward. He's a natural leading at the ball and working in front and up the ground. He's no good being lead to the ball or having to think about positioning.

 

[bobsyouruncle]

One thing about Hendo that I noticed(and I could be wrong) is that he tries to mark in front of his face with his elbows bent. This seems to allow defenders an easy spoil. I haven't seen him mark it too much with a full stretch like Waite(though Waite seems to prefer chest marks a lot of times). Might need some more shoulder strength.

 

[Claypigeon]

Hendo is a CHF with the ability to go down back. .. Its tempting to throw him in the back line due to a lack of height we have there at the moment but probably best to let him finish recovering from a lack of pre-season and look to get something out of him in the forward half toward the end of the year. .. Otherwise hopefully an injury free 2012 pre-season. ..

 

[juzz88]

I just think that until Watson is ready to play more AFL games it couldn't hurt playing him at CHB when he is fully fit this season.

Watson is gonna need another pre season to bulk up. Whilst his disposal by hand and foot looked GREAT against the GWS, he looked weak (for lack of a better word) in body on body situations.

Henderson can play CHB, and play CHB well. If he does that for the second half of the 2011 season with Bower playing as the 3rd tall then our defense looks a LOT better in my opinion.

Hopefully Watson is ready for regular footy next year and then he can move back to CHF. I can't see why anybody would be against this.

In the meantime Setanta to play up front with Waite until Kreuzer comes back. Kreuzer to play up front when he gets back and share the ruck duties with Warnock 70/30.

 

[gbatman]

not big enough or strog enough. Henderson is far too light.

 

[Silvagnis]

not big enough or strog enough. Henderson is far too light.

How big does Henderson need to be to play at CHB?

Stands 196 cms and weighs 95 odd kgs.

Hendo reportedly played well on Franklin and Roughead in his time at Brisbane.

If Henderson is still developing the match fitness to play as a roaming CHF, then he sure as hell doesn't have the fitness to chase forwards around. Henderson said he always was a forward. Given Henderson is reportedly doing some ruckwork, I think we might see Lachie taking the hitout and releasing Kreuzer or Warnock to the forwardline. The Pies got a vital goal against us after Leigh Brown took the hitout and Jolly went forward.

 

[Claypigeon]

How big does Henderson need to be to play at CHB?

Stands 196 cms and weighs 95 odd kgs.

Hendo reportedly played well on Franklin and Roughead in his time at Brisbane.

If Henderson is still developing the match fitness to play as a roaming CHF, then he sure as hell doesn't have the fitness to chase forwards around. Henderson said he always was a forward. Given Henderson is reportedly doing some ruckwork, I think we might see Lachie taking the hitout and releasing Kreuzer or Warnock to the forwardline. The Pies got a vital goal against us after Leigh Brown took the hitout and Jolly went forward.

Yeah that rotation if used sparingly has the potential to destroy a defence. .. Obviously you have to win the clearance but the defender will go with the forward leaving no one to pick up the ruck. .. Our defence had no chance once they got the clearance. ..

 

[Silvagnis]

Probably been done before here but anyway here goes.

The guy is not a forward. He isn't fast enough to get separation and he isn't strong enough to throw blokes aside. He doesn't have a big enough leap nor good enough hands to clunk marks. He also isn't a brilliant 'forward pressure' guy. Which all means that he is going to struggle as a forward.

On the other hand, I think he reads the play well, is very composed with the ball, doesn't fumble the ground ball and works well through traffic. He's a nice height and holds his feet under the high ball.

All adds up to defender to me and the team desperately needs another genuine tall. I'd like to see him play down back for a couple of weeks in the VFL and all going well then brought up against the Cats to play on a player like Pods.

Thoughts?

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[Sin City]

If Henderson is still developing the match fitness to play as a roaming CHF, then he sure as hell doesn't have the fitness to chase forwards around.

 

[gbatman]

How big does Henderson need to be to play at CHB?

Stands 196 cms and weighs 95 odd kgs.

Hendo reportedly played well on Franklin and Roughead in his time at Brisbane.

If Henderson is still developing the match fitness to play as a roaming CHF, then he sure as hell doesn't have the fitness to chase forwards around. Henderson said he always was a forward. Given Henderson is reportedly doing some ruckwork, I think we might see Lachie taking the hitout and releasing Kreuzer or Warnock to the forwardline. The Pies got a vital goal against us after Leigh Brown took the hitout and Jolly went forward.

If he's going to be a backman then weight wise he's about right although looks a bit light still.

If henderson is going to be a forward he is going to need to put on

Jon Brown is 195cm and 104kg
Barry Hall is 194cm and 104kg
Cloke is 196cm and 108kg
Dawes is 193cm and 105kg
Franklin is 196cm and 102kg


Henderson is 196cm and 95KG...

Waite is 194 and 94 but is more of a running and jumping forward.
Setanta is 199cm and 98kg
Levi is 198 and 99


Do you see where the broblem is here. Good key position forwards are generally well over 100KG. Some of the tall athletic forwards with a good turn of pace and good leap like he Riewoldts are a bit lighter but henderson is not that sort of forward. He often gets in situations where he needs to use body.

Henderson needs to put on around another 10kg if he wants to be a forward. Gets pushed around far too easily, even Dustin Fletcher who's weakness is body on body was pushing him around.