.....HendoMANIA!!!!

[The Sloane Ranger]

I understand that and am all for Hendo putting family before footy.

Port moved heaven and earth to keep Boak at the club by all reports and I wouldnt mind the crows taking some steps to do something similar without the use of illegal contracts

Crows moved heaven and earth to help Tippett and will continue to do so for Hendo however it will come down to whether Noble can turn the situation into a positive for the club

 

[HFF]

Let's see what the outcome is in 13 days time.

I don't imagine many clubs get players in for a medical if they are not keen.

I also don't imagine clubs willing to allow "contracted" players to undergo medicals elsewhere if they didn't have other "objectives" in mind to complete, particularly if they are hamstrung to begin with.

Like I said, a second round pick is more than a fair trade.

A first rounder is just overs. He is not worth a first round draft choice.

 

[PykeDream]

I'd be gunning for Hendo + third rounder for Shaw + second rounder. Probably overs in Collingwood's view, but if they want a player who is still contracted for two years, they can afford to sacrifice some of their damaged goods as part of the deal.

Then we could on-trade that Pick ~27 for Polec + Bris 3rd rounder.

 

[fabs33]

As it stands, you guys don't have great currency to facilitate a trade for Polec in comparison to Port and you are on public record as saying you are very keen to re-enter the early rounds of the draft so you aren't starting your picks from a long way back.

Going by our list manager's latest interviews we're not as keen as we once were about re-entering the early rounds, so we're probably not that desperate that we'd trade a contracted player so easily.

 

[sutts]

All I know is Crows hierarchy are on public record saying they want to re-enter the earlier rounds of the draft and are very keen on Polec. "By all accounts" is speculation, whereas Crows are publicly strong in their interests to land Polec.

Whether you end up caring enough or not for landing him is up to you guys.

You don't have to trade Henderson, of course not. However, you objectives of landing Polec and re-entering the earlier rounds of the draft are quite difficult to achieve in your current predicament.

We will find out whether or not you guys are actually keen enough to complete those desired objectives.


Pick 27+ steak knives IMO, is more than fair value for Henderson. He is not worth a first round draft choice.

The Crows are on the record as saying they're only interested in Polec if a deal can be struck where both parties are happy - i.e. they are not prepared to be ruthless to get him. So, if that is their attitude towards Polec, do you really think pick 27 is going to be enough to convince them to part with a 25 year old 190cm player who can play forward or back with two years left on his contract? He'll play next season, and will get better and better. He's going to blossom a touch later than others.

 

[HFF]

Going by our list manager's latest interviews we're not as keen as we once were about re-entering the early rounds, so we're probably not that desperate that we'd trade a contracted player so easily.

Like I said, it is what it is.

If you can find other ways to satisfy Brisbane in a trade for Polec, by all means explore them.

I just don't think Henderson is worth more than a second round draft choice.

It's akin to Collingwood seeking more than a second rounder for say Goldsack.

 

[Nicco_jj]

How about pick 27 and Kyle Martin?

Would be annoyed if this happened... Kyle is a very darn good player. I understand that if we traded him he wouldn't even get a second round pick at this stage... But he will be a gun.

 

[fabs33]

Like I said, it is what it is.

If you can find other ways to satisfy Brisbane in a trade for Polec, by all means explore them.

I just don't think Henderson is worth more than a second round draft choice.

It's akin to Collingwood seeking more than a second rounder for say Goldsack.

I'm not saying he's a worth a first rounder either, just pointing out that we may not be keen enough to accept the first offer thrown our way. In the end we may end up keeping him instead seeing as he's contracted for another two years.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

A first rounder is just overs. He is not worth a first round draft choice.

As I said this morning.

Heath Shaw to GWS for pick 19

Pick 19 to us is about right for that deal.

This is where I'm sitting.

 

[HFF]

I'm not saying he's a worth a first rounder either, just pointing out that we may not be keen enough to accept the first offer thrown our way. In the end we may end up keeping him instead seeing as he's contracted for another two years.

Absolutely, you are well within your rights to retain him if you so wish. That's not disputable at all. I am just debating his actual trade value which IMO, is second round.

 

[HFF]

As I said this morning.

Heath Shaw to GWS for pick 19

Pick 19 to us is about right for that deal.

This is where I'm sitting.

Shaw still holds greater currency than Henderson in any open market IMO.

Put both of them on offer and sit all the clubs around and you will find Shaw will be in more demand than Henderson and there will be a difference in what clubs would be prepared to pay for either player in terms of a trade.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Absolutely, you are well within your rights to retain him if you so wish. That's not disputable at all. I am just debating his actual trade value which IMO, is second round.

I agree with his value about a second round pick but a high second round pick is very different to a low second round pick.

Pick 20 is very different to pick 38 but both are thereabouts a second round pick.

 

[fabs33]

Absolutely, you are well within your rights to retain him if you so wish. That's not disputable at all. I am just debating his actual trade value which IMO, is second round.

Fair enough, but not all second round picks are equal in value, and since we're in a position to not lose anything by not trading we can probably afford to be a bit picky.

 

[HFF]

I agree with his value about a second round pick but a high second round pick is very different to a low second round pick.

Pick 20 is very different to pick 38 but both are thereabouts a second round pick.

We finished mid table this year. Our second round pick is in the middle of the early and the late ones.

It's about right IMO in terms of the player's trade value.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Shaw still holds greater currency than Henderson in any open market IMO.

Put both of them on offer and sit all the clubs around and you will find Shaw will be in more demand than Henderson and there will be a difference in what clubs would be prepared to pay for either player in terms of a trade.

Maybe he is worth more in an open market, but what is he worth to your club? Not as much as you wish.

Heath Shaw is damaged good to Collingwood and can not represent your football club again. Especially when Buckley and McGuire come out and say your 2013 season was wasted due to selfish players and his actions this year were very selfish. From arguing with your captain, to throwing the ball into Monfrees face during your finals loss.

Ricky Henderson is a model citizen and will help create that 'team first' perception Nathan Buckley is trying to implement.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

We finished mid table this year. Our second round pick is in the middle of the early and the late ones.

It's about right IMO in terms of the player's trade value.

Fine, I get it - you only want to part with pick 27 but that isn't going to happen. You won't get him for pick 27 so either accept that and start discussing how you can improve your offer or drop it.

 

[Vantz]

Hendo was fantastic in the second half of the year and provided a real spark playing loose across half back and still has two years left on his contract. If he is homesick next year, then trade him! Have faith in his ability to match his late season form over the whole season.

 

[Draft Bored]

I actually see Shaw and Hendo as similar value. So what would you expect as fair currency for Shaw dalethomas13?

Put that in a three way trade and we're done.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I actually see Shaw and Hendo as similar value. So what would you expect as fair currency for Shaw dalethomas13?

Put that in a three way trade and we're done.

Based on football ability, I think Shaw is in front but trades take other issues into consideration and this is what brings Shaw back to the pack.

 

[Draft Bored]

Based on football ability, I think Shaw is in front but trades take other issues into consideration and this is what brings Shaw back to the pack.

Agreed. I was factoring his rage and age into my calculation.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Agreed. I was factoring his rage and age into my calculation.

And family. They are about as loopy as the Clokes.

 

[HFF]

I actually see Shaw and Hendo as similar value. So what would you expect as fair currency for Shaw dalethomas13?

Put that in a three way trade and we're done.

Shaw @ 27, IMO with the interest involved in him will fetch a first round draft choice. I wouldn't be putting that in a three-way for Henderson because Henderson is not worth this amount in trade terms.

Overall, Henderson may stay at West Lakes. That's a choice the AFC will have to make.

I'm very confident in suggesting the Pies will not part with a first round draft choice for Henderson.

Based on football ability, I think Shaw is in front but trades take other issues into consideration and this is what brings Shaw back to the pack.

I think you will end up being quite surprised when Shaw's trade is complete.

As it stands lets just agree that we have found common ground in parts and not so in others.

 

[kenny the crow]

If shaw was prepared to move to Adelaide I would do straight swap Henderson for shaw.

 

[Draft Bored]

If shaw was prepared to move to Adelaide I would do straight swap Henderson for shaw.

Noble's already said we have no interest in him and for good reason.

EDIT: actually he used the term "I don't think so" when asked if we're interested. So that could mean anything.

 

[Vader]

If shaw was prepared to move to Adelaide I would do straight swap Henderson for shaw.

You might.. Collingwood's trade team would have to be declared certifiably insane were it to eventuate.