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As it stands right now our defense is pretty close to settled:
Rutten, Talia, Laird & Brown are all 100% in rd 1

The other two spots are between: Otten, Shaw, Henderson, Reilly, CEY, Hartigan

Otten on last years form would be first in line and Hendo would be next in line. If Reilly plans on playing seniors next year he may not find many opportunities in the back line unless there are a few injuries. If that is the case what other positions could be fill? I struggle to see Reilly in our plans for next year, we need cool heads in defense and unfortunately for Radar he gets caught out way too often
 
Shouldn't be Otten, unless he trims down a bit, gets some pace and some fitness back into his game - a major part of our issue last year was the lack of run/carry out of our defensive half.

Reilly falls into the same category. He doesn't run and carry.

Needs to be Hendo and someone else who is willing to get the footy, attack the game and run with it.
 
Elite Crow said:
You don't agree Reilly struggles to keep up with his opponent?

I remember the Sydney match watching him trail McVeigh badly, pretty sure he was dropped the week after.

It's not an isolated event either, put anyone with above average speed on Reilly and he struggles.
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I was just questioning why you would mention the bleeding obvious:
"that you need to keep up with your opponent"

Hence my reply = "really" ie. tell me something that we don't know ;)

Reilly will be in our 22 next year, so many supporters will be happy that they have someone to sink the boot into...
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
I was just questioning why you would mention the bleeding obvious:
"that you need to keep up with your opponent"

Hence my reply = "really" ie. tell me something that we don't know ;)

Reilly will be in our 22 next year, so many supporters will be happy that they have someone to sink the boot into...
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VB won't be there??? :eek:
 

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Ah the cyclical arguments on this board--Reilly's no good: Yes he is. Hendo's no good: yes he is. And around and around we go with no end in sight until maybe mid-2014.
Both are best 22 IMO.
People undervalue big time what Reilly brings to the side. Ask any of our backs and mids who is most likely to stand in the hole and take a mark while a 100 k forward or ruckman is heading in his direction at roughly 10 secs per 100 metres. The bloke has skills and courage, is not remarkably slow, has a great tank and defends one on one quite well when required to do so. No one repeat no one plays 200 games of AFL and is anywhere near as hopeless as many of you turkeys claim, and Reilly will pass that magical mark at around game seven next year.
Yeah there are occasional clangers and mistakes under pressure, but then all back men have them because pressure is the nature of the task.
Sit back and enjoy the spectacle while this fine servant of the Adelaide Football club racks up many more games over the next few years.
 
King Elvis said:
Shouldn't be Otten, unless he trims down a bit, gets some pace and some fitness back into his game - a major part of our issue last year was the lack of run/carry out of our defensive half.

Hendo falls into the same category. He doesn't run and carry.

Needs to be Reilly and someone else who is willing to get the footy, attack the game and run with it.
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I fixed it for you. You people keep getting them mixed up.
 
Wow. Colour me surprised with Otten.
If it's a 50/50 in the air I agree that he's good. I just seem to have memories of him being beaten out a lot when the ball hits the turf and he's one on one and loses his feet/misses a tackle. Memory is a selective beast.
 
crowded house said:
Wow. Colour me surprised with Otten.
If it's a 50/50 in the air I agree that he's good. I just seem to have memories of him being beaten out a lot when the ball hits the turf and he's one on one and loses his feet/misses a tackle. Memory is a selective beast.
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Funny you should say that. That's exactly what the stat was - marking contests where you don't get outmarked or give away a free kick. Nothing to do with what happens when the ball hits the ground.

Also doesn't account for the number of times he leaves his man to go third man up and doesn't quite kill the contest, leaving his man to kick an easy goal.

He had a good season, but there are still some serious flaws in his game that worry me long term. I can't help thinking that if we have everyone up and firing, Otto might be one to get squeezed out.
 
King Elvis said:
Shouldn't be Otten, unless he trims down a bit, gets some pace and some fitness back into his game - a major part of our issue last year was the lack of run/carry out of our defensive half.

Reilly falls into the same category. He doesn't run and carry.

Needs to be Hendo and someone else who is willing to get the footy, attack the game and run with it.
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Don't know .....didn't Otten trim down last season?

Anyway i agree ........no to defence, Ottens future is as a forward

Shaw for the 3rd tall .......the forgotten man ......but a gun for the future .....get on the Shaw train :D
 
Wilko91 said:
Otten doesn't need one on one defensive schooling. Top 10 in the AFL for one on one's.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-02/the-frugal-suspects
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Ottens move to the forward line late in the season out of necessity was a highlight of the year .......he played the forwrd role he played at the U18 championships and formed the basis of his drafting by Adelaide.

If you dig up my posts at the time ....he was a great airilist .....and showed in the last 3 matches the fact he is a NATURAL forward .......great one on one, he took some great contested marks in the last 3 games and demonstrated a greater mobility in our forward line & had it looking even more dangerous than with Lynch.

If in doubt, go back & watch the West Coast game ......you'll be converted
 
a1118868 said:
Funny you should say that. That's exactly what the stat was - marking contests where you don't get outmarked or give away a free kick. Nothing to do with what happens when the ball hits the ground.

Also doesn't account for the number of times he leaves his man to go third man up and doesn't quite kill the contest, leaving his man to kick an easy goal.

He had a good season, but there are still some serious flaws in his game that worry me long term. I can't help thinking that if we have everyone up and firing, Otto might be one to get squeezed out.
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Based on 2013 form ......no way, will be an automatic pick every week
 

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Would like to think Otten's position in the side is to lose after some poor form rather then him not being in the side at all come round 1.

Also struggle to see how we can fit him in our forwardline with the like of Pods, JJ and Lynch to start the season and Tex to come into that a month or two later.
 
I'm not in the group to treat Reilly, Otten, VB and others as whipping boys and I rate both Reilly & Otten as good AFL players in their own right.

Nevertheless, the fact is that a/the major weakness of our defence was the lack of run and carry ( & pace & composure) and when Hendo went back there (along with Smith) was a revelation.
In 2014, with Smith moving to the midfield, that leaves Rutten, Talia, Brown & Laird in defence with 2 vacancies - IMO we need 2 run and carry players such as Hendo & Shaw.

Despite Reilly & Otten being good players when assessed individually, I believe that as a group (part of our defence), they leave us structurally deficient and a liability to the team as a whole.
This may well be a real test for Sando - can he make the hard calls required for the team to progress or will he stick to the old "public service seniority" type of team selection.

ie My defence would be: FB: Laird Rutten Henderson HB: Shaw Talia Brown

Otten & Reilly as back-up for injury/form but otherwise will have to fight with others to play either midfield or forward. As good as they are, I really think that they would be a better fit in another team which has more pace already around the ground.) In any case, I much prefer Otten as a tall midfielder - he is a ball magnet as is Lynch - hopefully both of them spend the summer with appropriate coaching designed to improve their pace and explosive pace of the mark otherwise they will quickly find themselves superseded in the way the game is going.
 
Good post. It's not that I don't rate Otten as a player or think he didn't have a good season.

It's just that when we have our best 22 up and running, I genuinely find it difficult to see where he fits. Definitely not in the forward line, admirable as he was up there this year. Don't think he has the pace or agility for the midfield. Key and small defensive posts are locked down... Loose defender is surely between Hendo and Reilly... It doesn't leave much daylight.

He's probably in there as the incumbent 3rd tall defender but it's not impossible to envisage a 2012-like situation where Shaw or maybe CEY jump him in the pecking order and he can't find a way back in (until Shaw breaks a toenail or something and is out for 2 months).
 
Otto is in the team, he just might start on the bench, but would be in the rotations through both attack and defense. Gives us flexibility in both areas as he runs good angles and takes a good mark and he can play both tall and small and if he can regain some run and carry ala before knee injury he is a valuable part of the team. Hendo, Smith and the wingers have to be the run and carry players. Shaw if he could get fit would be handy as would CEY whose confidence maybe a bit down after the Ireland experience.
 
Guys let's not get too overwhelmed with Otten's 8th place in the "best one-on-one defenders" stat - Lynden Dunn was no 1....
 
Wayne's-World said:
Don't know .....didn't Otten trim down last season?

Anyway i agree ........no to defence, Ottens future is as a forward

Shaw for the 3rd tall .......the forgotten man ......but a gun for the future .....get on the Shaw train :D
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I was on the Otten train last season, when the majority were on the Shaw train.

I'm staying on the Otten train, as the Shaw one is stuck at the station, pending repairs.
 

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Kane McGoodwin said:
I was on the Otten train last season, when the majority were on the Shaw train.

I'm staying on the Otten train, as the Shaw one is stuck at the station, pending repairs.
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Im on the train too - the one that rolls forward not back
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
I was on the Otten train last season, when the majority were on the Shaw train.

I'm staying on the Otten train, as the Shaw one is stuck at the station, pending repairs.
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Watched the game against Carlton (tex's knee) & West Coast ......he really was superb with his leading
Lead laterally across the ground, but always within goal scoring range .....commentators commented how good his running patterns were & fact he is a natural forward.

Lynch leads up the ground & is a completely different player .....Otten looks the more dangerous
 
Wayne's-World said:
Watched the game against Carlton (tex's knee) & West Coast ......he really was superb with his leading
Lead laterally across the ground, but always within goal scoring range .....commentators commented how good his running patterns were & fact he is a natural forward.

Lynch leads up the ground & is a completely different player .....Otten looks the more dangerous
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Yes, Lynch does his best work up the ground.

Pods/JJ will play deeper in the forward line ahead of Otten IMO, but Otten can be a swingman.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Yes, Lynch does his best work up the ground.

Pods/JJ will play deeper in the forward line ahead of Otten IMO, but Otten can be a swingman.
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Its a real dilemma ......Lynch was good this season, so too Otten, and Johnston showed positive signs

But in being ruthless IMO Otten is the more dangerous forward ......Lynch works his arse off and he may end up being that swingman
Johnston ....will be waiting on injuries for his opportunities
 
Wayne's-World said:
Its a real dilemma ......Lynch was good this season, so too Otten, and Johnston showed positive signs

But in being ruthless IMO Otten is the more dangerous forward ......Lynch works his arse off and he may end up being that swingman
Johnston ....will be waiting on injuries for his opportunities
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We agree that Lynch & Otten will both play & Johnston will be waiting for injuries.

Just a question of where ;)
 
crowded house said:
Wow. Colour me surprised with Otten.
If it's a 50/50 in the air I agree that he's good. I just seem to have memories of him being beaten out a lot when the ball hits the turf and he's one on one and loses his feet/misses a tackle. Memory is a selective beast.
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Him going to ground and being beaten did happen a bit, but usually because his opponent kept their feet and could run off unopposed.
 

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