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HBF said:
As much as I would like to agree with you, he'd got a minimum of 6 so he'll be out around his 70th birthday.
Although you'd like to see him spend every day of that 10 years behind bars.
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Or let him serve 6 years with all the other hard core crims. He will understand maybe what he did wrong.

I assume he denied everything?
 
MenzelBreakdown said:
Yes, it is, when you take the emotion out of it. When you take into account how onerous his time in prison will be given his profile and crimes, and the average sentence for such offences. Ever spent time in prison? It is a very unpleasant place to be. I have a legal background working in criminal law, so I can assure you this is not a light sentence.
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If you had a 7 year old daughter and some 50 year old guy did that - would you basically be satisfied with a 12 month prison sentence?

That's what it's broken down as.
 
GROTTO said:
Or let him serve 6 years with all the other hard core crims. He will understand maybe what he did wrong.

I assume he denied everything?
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He'll either go into protective custody or into a unit with all the other pedo's.
Gone are the days of putting these blokes into general population and turn a blind eye.
 

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alex_is_on_fire said:
If you had a 7 year old daughter and some 50 year old guy did that - would you basically be satisfied with a 12 month prison sentence?

That's what it's broken down as.
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I remember a mate telling me if he ever had a daughter and someone pulled that shit on her, he wouldnt want it to be reported. He would resolve it his way.

FFS what a shit person? What is really shit about it, was that he was their TV dad and pulled that shit on them. How scared would all those girls have been. How brave were the girls to step forward.

Its sad the girls mother has abandoned her, maybe out of guilt or shame, who knows. Horrible situation.
 
HBF said:
He'll either go into protective custody or into a unit with all the other pedo's.
Gone are the days of putting these blokes into general population and turn a blind eye.
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My experience of prison today is based on the TV show Wentworth.:eek:
 
GROTTO said:
I remember a mate telling me if he ever had a daughter and someone pulled that shit on her, he wouldnt want it to be reported. He would resolve it his way.

FFS what a shit person? What is really shit about it, was that he was their TV dad and pulled that shit on them. How scared would all those girls have been. How brave were the girls to step forward.

Its sad the girls mother has abandoned her, maybe out of guilt or shame, who knows. Horrible situation.
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Maybe I'm just being pedantic but they were not girls, she (she as in Sarah Monahan) and she is a woman now. That's how she mustered up the courage.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
Maybe I'm just being pedantic but they were not girls, she (she as in Sarah Monahan) and she is a woman now. That's how she mustered up the courage.
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Agreed, yes they are women now. How bloody awful scared and freightening it would have been for them.

The secretary on the show for Hey Dad acts like the one as her character on the show, a bit clueless. I think she feels bad for not helping or doing something. I dont blame her. A different time before the internet and the awareness of how to report crimes of a sexual nature.

Just think of all the perverts that escaped punishment?
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
If you had a 7 year old daughter and some 50 year old guy did that - would you basically be satisfied with a 12 month prison sentence?

That's what it's broken down as.
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You are looking at it completely wrong. Firstly, you are assuming all of the offences are given "equal weight" and therefore should be divided equally. Secondly, sentence are rarely consecutive, they are served concurrently. Thirdly, I take it you have never experienced prison and deprivation of liberty. Six years in prison for these offences will not be done "easily" as you put it. Everyone inside will know him and what he has done - he will have at least six years of constant fear. Lastly, neither you nor I nor anyone here (I presume) is privy to the intimate details of the offending, so it is inappropriate to say what is and what is not a just sentence.

Besides, as a lawyer I am looking at the sentence from a legal standpoint, rather than a moral standpoint. Whether justice has been served by this sentence is another question and really anybody's guess.
 
MenzelBreakdown said:
Thirdly, I take it you have never experienced prison and deprivation of liberty. Six years in prison for these offences will not be done "easily" as you put it.
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Thats good news Im really happy to hear that, especially considering how the cast of that show showed all the signs of having suffered the consequences from this fkhd actions.

Plus there are others as well.

I will never condone or accept what he did. If it was just a once off action, where there was an inappropriate touch, then yes 10 years would be rough. (mind you if it happened to someone in my family, I would say take his life).

But there was a systematic, repeated, calculated evil offenses.

Im with alex_is_on_fire on this.
 
MenzelBreakdown said:
You are looking at it completely wrong. Firstly, you are assuming all of the offences are given "equal weight" and therefore should be divided equally. Secondly, sentence are rarely consecutive, they are served concurrently. Thirdly, I take it you have never experienced prison and deprivation of liberty. Six years in prison for these offences will not be done "easily" as you put it. Everyone inside will know him and what he has done - he will have at least six years of constant fear. Lastly, neither you nor I nor anyone here (I presume) is privy to the intimate details of the offending, so it is inappropriate to say what is and what is not a just sentence.

Besides, as a lawyer I am looking at the sentence from a legal standpoint, rather than a moral standpoint. Whether justice has been served by this sentence is another question and really anybody's guess.
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And I'm looking at it from the other perspective.

I'm not a lawyer and don't want to look at it from a legal perceptive. I want those sick bastards who interfere with our children locked up. I'm not even going to pretend I am going to look at this case with any rationality.

What he did was sick and seeing the massive changes in young girls who have been molested is heartbreaking.

I'm a male school teacher and have experienced the reality of young people getting interfered with. 1 story i can share - over a 12 month period, I saw this really sweet young 8 year old girls go from being very welcoming of other people to being very shut off and angry. She was abused by her uncle. I was required to write up a mandatory notification report based on the stuff she told me.

So - I think those bastards should get life.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
So - I think those bastards should get life.
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I know a story as well and it made me cry and Im a grown man. The girl that is now a woman, has had her life destroyed beyond repair. Yes beyond repair.

I feel sick and sad hearing your shit story.

I think those that pass judgement should comprise of a panel of ONLY those that know someone that has been abused. I want a jury to be biased and hurt.
 

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I totally understand where MenzelBreakdown is coming from. He has taken the emotion out if it. As a lawyer, that's his job to remove that emotion and just look at the facts and how the law will interpret that crime.

As I said, I'm not going to and that's why I feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

I'm not saying anyone us wrong.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
I totally understand where MenzelBreakdown is coming from. He has taken the emotion out if it. As a lawyer, that's his job to remove that emotion and just look at the facts and how the law will interpret that crime.
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He is not the lawyer in this case and to feel that 10 years is a lot, worries me. I think even lawyers would agree the guy deserves to get more. I would be worried if a lawyer thought no.

Is there a statute of limitations on Sex crimes? Or am I saying this wrong? That is, is there a time period in which sex crimes must be reported?

Let me give you analogy, a doctor has the chance to save the life of two men, one is a monster the other is not. Who do you reckon a doctor will save? I dont have a large sample size, but I know most would save the good person.
 
GROTTO said:
Is there a statute of limitations on Sex crimes? Or am I saying this wrong? That is, is there a time period in which sex crimes must be reported?
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Nope, very sure their is not.

If you do it, you have every chance you can get caught.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
Nope, very sure their is not.

If you do it, you have every chance you can get caught.
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The only issue I have with that is the evidence side, that is that there is something. Not one word versus another's. Thats just so hard.

I would hate conversely for someone to be sent away because someone made up something. While I know this is not something you would make up, it has happened.

The only reason IMO why the guy got jail time, because so many stepped forward and that it was reported in the 80s.
 
GROTTO said:
He is not the lawyer in this case and to feel that 10 years is a lot, worries me. I think even lawyers would agree the guy deserves to get more. I would be worried if a lawyer thought no.

Is there a statute of limitations on Sex crimes? Or am I saying this wrong? That is, is there a time period in which sex crimes must be reported?

Let me give you analogy, a doctor has the chance to save the life of two men, one is a monster the other is not. Who do you reckon a doctor will save? I dont have a large sample size, but I know most would save the good person.
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You are correct, I am not the lawyer in this case, but neither has any here been intimately involved with the trial, either as an affected party or on the jury etc. And there is at least one other lawyer who agrees with me that the sentence is appropriate (the sentencing Judge Peter Zahra in this case) who has far more experience doling out criminal punishment than you or I ever could. Again, I say this from a legal standpoint which involves an educated guess at best. Neither of us know the intimate details of the offending. Fortunately and thankfully, it didn't involve rape (at least in the traditional sense) if that had have been the case he would be going away for a far longer period.

To put it another way, you say it should be life. Where does that leave the paedophiles who rape AND murder young children? Or Adrian Bayley? Or Les Camllieri? Or the Cobby killers, or Ivan Milat et al. Their crimes are far worse than Hughes' is. There are degrees, and while emotionally it is easy to imagine that any sexual offence involving children should involve the hammer being dropped and the key thrown away, in reality it isn't that simple.

Again, his six years (assuming he gets parole) will not be pleasant. He will most likely be segregated at least initially from the general population and in any event will be watching his back the whole time. There will be other prisoners gunning for him, the threat of violent will always be imminent (although most generally prefer to do their own time).

And yes, from a moral standpoint I agree that sentences for rape/sexual offences involving children are generally more lenient than I would like them to be personally. But that's the legal system we live with, it's not perfect.
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-...dler-in-a-library-sentenced-to-more-t/5225046

If the above was not some sort of travesty, you'd have to think that Hughs will have a good chance of winning an appeal.
Its pretty simplistic to consider that every paedophile is equally guilty and that they all deserve the death sentence or something.

If Hugh's had violently r*ped his victim ( in the 80's ) then gone to the police and confessed, then he'd have probably been penalised less than he is now.

Its also a fallacy that every women who is ever sexually molested is "ruined for life". Some will tell you that they have managed to move on. ( of course I cant win this argument because I'll never know what its like ).
 

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GROTTO said:
He is not the lawyer in this case and to feel that 10 years is a lot, worries me. I think even lawyers would agree the guy deserves to get more. I would be worried if a lawyer thought no.
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Well, firstly I don't think it is possible to properly assess the sentence without the pertinent details.

On the limited details I've heard, it doesn't sound low at all. The offending is at a quite low level in the scheme ot things, albeit with multiple victims, there's substantial delay, he has no priors, has family support, sentences for sex offences were historically low...



Is there a statute of limitations on Sex crimes? Or am I saying this wrong? That is, is there a time period in which sex crimes must be reported?
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Not generally, although there is a bizarre anomaly in 1980s Victorian legislation which effectively prevents prosecution for sex offences against teenagers. Aside from that, no. Indeed, there was a recent prosecution dating back to the 50s.
 
Donners said:
Well, firstly I don't think it is possible to properly assess the sentence without the pertinent details.
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I dont need to the "pertinent details" the court found him guilty of sex crimes against children, deserves to spend the rest of his life in there.

I would never condone a single act "maybe" some leniency, but this was repeated calculating systematic and deceptive mind of a criminal.
 
MenzelBreakdown said:
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To put it another way, you say it should be life. Where does that leave the paedophiles who rape AND murder young children? Or Adrian Bayley? Or Les Camllieri? Or the Cobby killers, or Ivan Milat et al. Their crimes are far worse than Hughes' is. There are degrees, and while emotionally it is easy to imagine that any sexual offence involving children should involve the hammer being dropped and the key thrown away, in reality it isn't that simple.
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Oh in there case, I condone torture then a slow death. Sex crimes against children is in the same level as killing someone. A lot of victims never recover and suffer consequences both at present and later in life, not to mention their loved ones that suffer as well.

When it comes this kind of crimes, I have no leniency on these sick people, they are not animals, as animals dont do that to their own.
 

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