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Though he played very well yesterday and has been playing well for the past couple of weeks, probably saved his career>

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metallichris said:
Is definitely in our best 22, and based on what he has done since his return from injury he would be unlicky not to be at Tigerland in 2006.

1 more year for Hilton.
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yep he has a little thing called heart, i remember when he did his knee last year he was completly shattered so the chance to cement his spot this yr he has taken and well done to him and bring on next year for rory :)
 

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He's finally had a run without injuries and has been very good. I think he's given himself another year once again. If Staff and Graham retire with Cambo, Morrison is delisted, Krak is traded then I think it's worth giving Hilton one more year.
 
By memory he played his best footy a few years ago down back did he not?
Always remember him throwing himself across Neitz's path and doing his
shoulder.Not scared to get involved in the rough stuff which is what we need.
 
I don't think we can carry both Chaffey and Hilton. Hilton is showing good signs for many of the same reasons that Chaffey looked good in the same role. However it is a luxury to have a veteran like that in such a fringe role. Chaffey has the edge in that he can play as a tagger.

I'd prefer that backpocket role to go to one of the kids like Roach or Jackson.

Longer term I think we need someone who has genuine pace and can launch attacks.

Hilton has battled hard but while they let him play on Medhurst they kept him away from Johnson last week when really Hilton as a 26 year old veteran should have taken on the best opposition small forward, but didn't.

As well as he is playing, I just can't forgive the previous six seasons. I don't think a couple of good games is enough to make up for being half-hearted for the bulk of his career.
 
Weaver said:
I don't think we can carry both Chaffey and Hilton. Hilton is showing good signs for many of the same reasons that Chaffey looked good in the same role. However it is a luxury to have a veteran like that in such a fringe role. Chaffey has the edge in that he can play as a tagger.

I'd prefer that backpocket role to go to one of the kids like Roach or Jackson.

Longer term I think we need someone who has genuine pace and can launch attacks.

Hilton has battled hard but while they let him play on Medhurst they kept him away from Johnson last week when really Hilton as a 26 year old veteran should have taken on the best opposition small forward, but didn't.

As well as he is playing, I just can't forgive the previous six seasons. I don't think a couple of good games is enough to make up for being half-hearted for the bulk of his career.
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You're a bit tough there Weaver. First if it's a choice between Hilton and Chaffey that's a no brainer, Rory has footy smarts and good skills and Chaffey doesn't. Secondly people bag Hilton's non performance but he really has had only one ordinary year where he wasn't injured and that was 2003. He was very good in 2000 (averaged 18 disposals of half back and kicked 10 goals), good in 2001 (ave 15 disposals and 24 goals), 2002 he played two games before being poleaxed by Neitz and missing the season, 2004 he was playing OK before doing his knee. He has the talent and theoretically should be in his prime. His problems reputedly are lack of effort in preparation. If he puts in the effort no reason for him to go.

I thought the match ups were right on Sunday. Robbins clearly not as dangerous as Johnson but Rory beat him comfortably. Newman was good on Johnson earlier in the year and was a good match up and did quite well till the last quarter. Sure its disapointing he is not the elite midfielder he promised to be, but if he gets his mind and body right there is enough talent there to keep him on - and to be fair to him he has been good in most games this year both back and forward although half back is his best position I think. Who knows, he may put in a killer pre season and add some grunt to the midfield - stayer for mine.
 
There is nothing to forgive.

Certainly not Hilton's fault that when he was drafted and came to a rabble of a club that was poorly coached.

Certainly wasnt his fault when he and torney dominated the ressies midfield week in week out that they werent selected.

Certainly not his fault that he put his body on the line and had his shoulder ripped apart. Or the series of knee injuries.

One thing I will say about Hilton, for as long as I have watched him, I have never seen him once go at the footy half heartedly.

He has been great this year. If he were to have a big preseason, who knows, he just may live up to that no 3. draft pick.

At present, he is certainly in our top 12 players. I like him in a forward pocket because of his accountability, his ability to lead and his strength overhead. Very hard player to match up on. The fact that he can play a very good role in defense when we have no one else that can is a big bonus.

Weaver said:
As well as he is playing, I just can't forgive the previous six seasons. I don't think a couple of good games is enough to make up for being half-hearted for the bulk of his career.
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Weaver said:
I don't think we can carry both Chaffey and Hilton. Hilton is showing good signs for many of the same reasons that Chaffey looked good in the same role. However it is a luxury to have a veteran like that in such a fringe role. Chaffey has the edge in that he can play as a tagger.

I'd prefer that backpocket role to go to one of the kids like Roach or Jackson.

Longer term I think we need someone who has genuine pace and can launch attacks.

Hilton has battled hard but while they let him play on Medhurst they kept him away from Johnson last week when really Hilton as a 26 year old veteran should have taken on the best opposition small forward, but didn't.

As well as he is playing, I just can't forgive the previous six seasons. I don't think a couple of good games is enough to make up for being half-hearted for the bulk of his career.
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Well if we can only have 1 of Chaffey and Hilton. Surely Hilton is the first to stay out of the 2. It is good to see him finally show us how good he can be. Keep it up Rory :)
 
Considering Wallace keeps bemoaning our lack of hard bodied mid aged players its safe to say Rory will be kept on the list. Hes actually been very good straight back from the knee reco, deserves a new contract. Chaffey too will keep his spot
 
Weaver said:
Hilton has battled hard but while they let him play on Medhurst they kept him away from Johnson last week when really Hilton as a 26 year old veteran should have taken on the best opposition small forward, but didn't.
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That was because Chris Newman was playing on Brad Johnson. The previous week, Jeff Farmer was taken by Newman as well.

Newman is still our number 1 small defender.
 
metallichris said:
That was because Chris Newman was playing on Brad Johnson. The previous week, Jeff Farmer was taken by Newman as well.

Newman is still our number 1 small defender.
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That is the point though. Hilton is not our number 1 small defender (Newman is). Hilton will never be that guy because he doesn't have pace. He is not our main mid-sized guy because Bowden is. He can't play midfield or tag (at least Chaffey can make an attempt).

We are talking about a 26 year old veteran who is what? 6th best defender who occasionally gets a favourable match-up? A guy with his experience should be contributing a lot more.

Keeping him around won't make us better.
 

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silence ofthe Robert said:
He has the talent and theoretically should be in his prime. His problems reputedly are lack of effort in preparation. If he puts in the effort no reason for him to go.

I thought the match ups were right on Sunday. Robbins clearly not as dangerous as Johnson but Rory beat him comfortably. Newman was good on Johnson earlier in the year and was a good match up and did quite well till the last quarter. QUOTE]

Very good post, especially your reply regarding the matchups on Johnson. Newman is the best match up for Johnson and Rory is the best match up for Robbins. Simple as that!

You said that his "problems reputedly are lack of effort in preparation" and I have to strongly disagree with you. His injuries have been structural and not a conditioning issue. I'm well informed that he does everything possible to get his body right and has been doing this ever since his ability became apparant in 2000.

IMO RFC need more strong bodied players who are prepared to play the team game and sacrafice themselves for the club. Rory fits the bill and has shown character in getting back after a serious eye injury, two knee reconstructions and a shoulder reconstruction. The likes of Tivendale and Chaffey will see the tigers continue to struggle, so to play finals the club needs to show these battlers the door.
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Junkie said:
silence ofthe Robert said:
He has the talent and theoretically should be in his prime. His problems reputedly are lack of effort in preparation. If he puts in the effort no reason for him to go.

I thought the match ups were right on Sunday. Robbins clearly not as dangerous as Johnson but Rory beat him comfortably. Newman was good on Johnson earlier in the year and was a good match up and did quite well till the last quarter. QUOTE]

Very good post, especially your reply regarding the matchups on Johnson. Newman is the best match up for Johnson and Rory is the best match up for Robbins. Simple as that!

You said that his "problems reputedly are lack of effort in preparation" and I have to strongly disagree with you. His injuries have been structural and not a conditioning issue. I'm well informed that he does everything possible to get his body right and has been doing this ever since his ability became apparant in 2000.

IMO RFC need more strong bodied players who are prepared to play the team game and sacrafice themselves for the club. Rory fits the bill and has shown character in getting back after a serious eye injury, two knee reconstructions and a shoulder reconstruction. The likes of Tivendale and Chaffey will see the tigers continue to struggle, so to play finals the club needs to show these battlers the door.
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Junkster , after your umpteenth post championing the cause that is Rory ... i am convinced that you are he

( FWIW i would be giving you , i mean him another shot as well )
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IDGAF said:
Junkie said:
Junkster , after your umpteenth post championing the cause that is Rory ... i am convinced that you are he

( FWIW i would be giving you , i mean him another shot as well )
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Junkie to you champ! I have just backed his ability from the word go and followed him throughout his career. You can take away confidence but you cant take away ability. Rory has more ability than the majority of the list and once his confidence is back he will repay the faith.
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Thursfield7 said:
Though he played very well yesterday and has been playing well for the past couple of weeks, probably saved his career>

thoughts?
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I think he has earned a spot next year. Alot ppl thought he was down and out playing shyte but wat we seem to forget he has missed a fair bit of footy ova the years thru injury so it has taken him some time to get bak into the groove of things again, dont think anyone doubts his talents. looks as if it could be another JoelB move by putting him down back and ressurecting his career, good luck to Rory hope he is with us for a few more years to come always been a big fan of his.
 
Junkie said:
IDGAF said:
Junkie to you champ! I have just backed his ability from the word go and followed him throughout his career. You can take away confidence but you cant take away ability. Rory has more ability than the majority of the list and once his confidence is back he will repay the faith.
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Hope you are right junkman
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Weaver said:
That is the point though. Hilton is not our number 1 small defender (Newman is). Hilton will never be that guy because he doesn't have pace. He is not our main mid-sized guy because Bowden is. He can't play midfield or tag (at least Chaffey can make an attempt).

We are talking about a 26 year old veteran who is what? 6th best defender who occasionally gets a favourable match-up? A guy with his experience should be contributing a lot more.

Keeping him around won't make us better.
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Keeping Richo anymore won't make us better for the future but you keep him because he is playing well. Hilton deserves to play on next year.
 

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