Hinge - your verdict?

[Bockchoy67]

At the start of the season we were all raving about Hinge's pre-season and how he could be a real prospect.

Many weeks later and he has struggled to reach two games in Glenelg Reserves' best players.

Whilst Nye has been very consistent and has reached League level, and Griffin has showed form and ability beyond his twig-like figure at Reserves and League level, Hinge has been a major disappointment.

I had really high expectations for him this year but someone has aimed a dart at my, and many others, balloon of hope and, for me anyway, it is about to burst.

So, what is your decision...
(1) Kept on for another year - he's still young and developing, and given mroe time could be worthy of promotion next year.
(2) Get rid of him - has been a real disappointment and despite his age and potential is not worthy of being kept on for another year.

He still has some time to prove me wrong, but as this stage for me his future is getting dimmer as each week goes by.

Discuss.

 

[macca23]

At the start of the season we were all raving about Hinge's pre-season and how he could be a real prospect.

Many weeks later and he has struggled to reach two games in Glenelg Reserves' best players.

Whilst Nye has been very consistent and has reached League level, and Griffin has showed form and ability beyond his twig-like figure at Reserves and League level, Hinge has been a major disappointment.

I had really high expectations for him this year but someone has aimed a dart at my, and many others, balloon of hope and, for me anyway, it is about to burst.

So, what is your decision...
(1) Kept on for another year - he's still young and developing, and given mroe time could be worthy of promotion next year.
(2) Get rid of him - has been a real disappointment and despite his age and potential is not worthy of being kept on for another year.

He still has some time to prove me wrong, but as this stage for me his future is getting dimmer as each week goes by.

Discuss.

He did look good early - it's hard to believe that he hasn't done better than he has.

One more year on the rookie list IMO.

 

[jc67]

I'm still swinging on Hinge, (last one
seriously draftee's must have their 2 years (AFL law)
So he gets another year.

EDIT; Rookies dont My bad.
Keep him on anyway.

 

[DaveW]

It might be poor form to comment on a player I've never seen but...

His output sounds far less impressive than say Thomas, Porplyzia or Bratton. To name a few players who were axed after one season.

Our tendency has been to promote the rookies or cut them all together. Parker and Andrews being the exception.

I'd say Hinge is a likely departure come seasons end.

 

[Bockchoy67]

It might be poor form to comment on a player I've never seen but...

His output sounds far less impressive than say Thomas, Porplyzia or Bratton. To name a few players who were axed after one season.

Our tendency has been to promote the rookies or cut them all together. Parker and Andrews being the exception.

I'd say Hinge is a likely leaver.

Have to agree with this.

The thing with Parker and Andrews is that they showed surprisingly good form in their first years.

Hinge on the other hand was really struggled, and we're talking Glenelg reserves here.

I still think he could be something special but by the end of the year (if his form doesn't improve) I would be surprised to see him in tri-colours next year given the AFC's past history with rookies.

 

[drakeyv2]

I haven't seen him play so can't comment on that. I suppose a lot would depend on what happens to the other rookies. If Griffen & Nye are upgraded onto main list & Andrews is dropped? May be room to keep him.

 

[Alex99]

My initial thoughts were to leave him off this list but then remembering how good his pre season was, it became apparent that to do him service as a player he deserves at least one more year to show if he can improve his mental, physical and knowledge to the game. Some players develop skills at a different rate and it would be a shame to look back and see him playing good football for someone else.

 

[Mong]

Like others, I haven't seen him. But my thoughts are that we need to clear the way for another batch of rookies in this years draft. My impression from the club is that Griffin is the project player who will be given more time on the rookie list, out of any of them. The rest, we can't afford to keep them for another year taking up space. They needed to show something this year and from reports, Hinge hasn't. Send him packing. Nye, I'm less sure about. He sounds like he's put in some decent performances. But my reservations on him are that he's a smallish back pocket, back flanker with ordinary pace. In other words it's not exactly a rare type of player. I think you really need to show something very special when you're a run of the mill player like that. I think he'll be let go.

 

[cro_Magnum]

My initial thoughts were to leave him off this list but then remembering how good his pre season was, it became apparent that to do him service as a player he deserves at least one more year to show if he can improve his mental, physical and knowledge to the game. Some players develop skills at a different rate and it would be a shame to look back and see him playing good football for someone else.

If you show a bit of promise but are a late developer its almost a disadvantage to be rookie listed too early as the pressure is there to drop you for another.

It would be interesting to know how many dropped rookies go on to AFL at another club. Can't think off any off hand but there must be some.

 

[crowsarethebest]

I thought there was rule.. that interstate rookies can be kept for 2 years while the rookies, rookied from the same state where the rookie lives in can only kept for 1?
I cannot explain it properley

 

[cro_Magnum]

I thought there was rule.. that interstate rookies can be kept for 2 years while the rookies, rookied from the same state where the rookie lives in can only kept for 1?
I cannot explain it properley

From the AFL site

"Each club may maintain a rookie list of up to six players or a club which is based in the Sydney and Brisbane metropolitan area may maintain a maximum of nine players on its rookie list.

- Where a club includes a player on its rookie list, it may:
- in the case of an international player, enter into a contract of service for a minimum of two seasons; or
- in the case of any other player, enter into a contract of service for a minimum of one season

Minimum Age – A player must have attained the age of 18 years or will attain the age of 18 years on or before December 31.

Maximum Age – A player must be under the age of 23 years on December 31. If a player attains the age of 23 years after this date, a club may retain him on its rookie list until the end of the season.

- If a club includes an international player on its rookie list, the player may be 24 years old for the final year of his contract of service.

- A rookie player shall not be bound to a club if he is listed on a club’s rookie list but the parties do not enter into a contract of service.

- A club may retain a maximum of three players on its rookie list for a second season provided it nominates such players at the time of the compulsory list lodgment.

- An eligible club with 38 players on its primary list that has listed fewer than two veterans is entitled to nominate up to two players from its rookie list as being available for selection during the home and away and finals series.

- All payments made by a club to a player listed on its rookie list are excluded as football payments for the purpose of calculating a club’s Total Player Payments (TPP).

- If a club includes a player on its rookie list, the clubs will relocate the player and pay or reimburse all reasonable relocation costs of the player.

- A player listed on the rookie list may compete for a club competing in the competition conducted by the relevant state body or which it is affiliated or connected."

The minimum is 1 year for Australians but no maximum apparently

 

[DaveW]

The minimum is 1 year for Australians but no maximum apparently

Rookie listed players go back into the draft pool after two years if they aren't promoted to the senior list.

 

[noddy]

It might be poor form to comment on a player I've never seen but...

I'm in the same boat as not having seen him play.

But if he is struggling in the Bay reserves the signs are not very good.

As an after thought in regards to J Meeson who also has been struggling to even make the A grade of the bottom SANFL club in Norwood, are there any alarm bells ringing yet as to his future seeing we took him so early in last years draft ??

 

[cro_Magnum]

Rookie listed players go back into the draft pool after two years if they aren't promoted to the senior list.

"A club may retain a maximum of three players on its rookie list for a second season provided it nominates such players at the time of the compulsory list lodgment."

Youre right. Didnt read it through

 

[cro_Magnum]

I'm in the same boat as not having seen him play.

But if he is struggling in the Bay reserves the signs are not very good.

As an after thought in regards to J Meeson who also has been struggling to even make the A grade of the bottom SANFL club in Norwood, are there any alarm bells ringing yet as to his future seeing we took him so early in last years draft ??

Norwood are 8th and only 2 games out of the five and travelling OK at the moment (no I'm not a Redlegs fan) so be patient. I'm more worried about Chad Gibson

 

[drakeyv2]

Meesen played in the A's on the weekend against Port & was apparently ok.

I would love to know if he had a run on the ball against Maric.

 

[Bockchoy67]

I'm in the same boat as not having seen him play.

But if he is struggling in the Bay reserves the signs are not very good.

As an after thought in regards to J Meeson who also has been struggling to even make the A grade of the bottom SANFL club in Norwood, are there any alarm bells ringing yet as to his future seeing we took him so early in last years draft ??

I wouldn't be too concerned about Meesen.

He was in some great form early (especially in the forward line) but after a few weeks slowed down and was downgraded to Norwood reserves. Since then he's improved, found some conisistency and made his return to the Legs' league side last weekend.

As said Gibson has been the real disappointment.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He did look good early - it's hard to believe that he hasn't done better than he has.

One more year on the rookie list IMO.

Yep, the kid showed real promise early (& is hard as nails) & given that he has been asked to make a big jump in standard this year & he is still very young, he is worth persisting with as a rookie for another year.

 

[Crowked]

Yep, the kid showed real promise early (& is hard as nails) & given that he has been asked to make a big jump in standard this year & he is still very young, he is worth persisting with as a rookie for another year.

Agreed, give him another year. I like his style.

 

[Alex99]

Meesen played in the A's on the weekend against Port & was apparently ok.

I would love to know if he had a run on the ball against Maric.

Going by memory Meesen got about 20 hit outs and Maric got about 11. Not sure how many went to advantage.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Going by memory Meesen got about 20 hit outs and Maric got about 11. Not sure how many went to advantage.

other way round - Maric had 20 - the most in the sanfl last weekend.

I would give Hinge 1 more year, he has been disappointing. Even more disappointing was our decision bot to rookie list Fisher. Fisher gets plenty of the ball, runs all day and is hard at it - just what we need.

 

[Bockchoy67]

other way round - Maric had 20 - the most in the sanfl last weekend.

I would give Hinge 1 more year, he has been disappointing. Even more disappointing was our decision bot to rookie list Fisher. Fisher gets plenty of the ball, runs all day and is hard at it - just what we need.

Given Fisher's still 21 (and his similarities in both age and ability to Paul Thomas) I wouldn't be overly surprised to see Adam in AFL colours by the end of the year.

I still think we should draft him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Given the need to have rookie positions I think Hinge will be delisted - Andrews will also be delisted.

Nye and Griffen can be re-rookied for another year.

This draft is weak!!!!!

Clarke, Stevens, Bode, Ladhams and Smith gone - thats 5 spots for grabs

I think Griffen will be elevated, Nye re -rookied , leaving us with only 3 draft picks and 3 rookies

Read it in the tea leaves

 

[Crowman32]

i thought interstate rookies can be rookies for 2 years and local rookies can only be rookies for 1 year as well. If this is the case i would

definately delist Andrews - never seen him play a good game. Has no skills, doesnt take many marks and doesnt find much of the ball. Why would you keep a player like this?

Promote Ryan Nye to the main list - this kid has done really well in his first year playing at North reserves. In quite a few games this year he has had 20 or more possessions. He might be a smaller type player but so is Tyson Edwards and look how good he is now.

Leave Jonothan Grifen on the rookie list for one more year and then next year promote him to the main list. This kid is mobile and has great skills. I think he is going to turn into a great player for us.

I would most probably cut John Hinge since he can only be a rookie for one year. To me his skills are a bit ordinary and he hasnt shown enough for us to keep him. If he can stay on as a rookie for one more year then I would keep him on this list for one more year.

 

[Bockchoy67]

I reckon the last weeks of SANFL will be VERY important for John's career.

Here's hoping he shows the form we believe he's capable of.