Roast Hislop = Wasted Pick

[Rayzorwire]

I can understand the rationale for keeping him... but Jackson, Foley and Tuck are midfielders. If Slops is in the guts, we're ****ed. He runs as though he's on a treadmill... slowest l've seen and he's careless. Doesnt seem to have much up top, pointless free kicks that really dont do anything to help the young kids either at Coburg or dare l say... in our best 22.

Agree with all that Wally, except that I think inside-mid is his best position, he's decent at the ground level contested stuff, just not fit enough in the past, which I assume they're putting down to injury.

I wasn't thrilled when we got him (or Thomson) and personally I'd cut him, but I see the rationale for keeping him.

 

[richoatthedisco]

He's behind Rance. Enough said.

 

[thecotch9]

fair to say as an 'inside mid' tommy hislop is at the back of a loooooong queue of current tiger inside mids...

dead last infact

 

[tiggywigs]

As has been said before, the drafting this year and last makes it clear that Dimma has identified the two glaring problems with our side. Skill and toughness. Hislop's retention shows that he still feels we lack in the latter department.

 

[mitch richmond]

fair to say as an 'inside mid' tommy hislop is at the back of a loooooong queue of current tiger inside mids...

dead last infact

You dont's say??????
Including all draft selections, he was taken at Pick#163. If he was going to be high in the looooooooong queue of current tiger inside mids he would have gone earlier than this.
A 3rd round rookie draft pick is where he's at!!!!!

 

[thecotch9]

You dont's say??????
Including all draft selections, he was taken at Pick#163. If he was going to be high in the looooooooong queue of current tiger inside mids he would have gone earlier than this.
A 3rd round rookie draft pick is where he's at!!!!!

whats your point mate?
whether he was drafted in the top 10 of the nd or late in the rookie draft makes no difference to his situation..hes been in the system long enough, and injury or no injury he has not once shown an ounce of talent.
tambling was drafted at pick 4 and his inadequacies as a richmond footballer saw him shipped off..3rd round rookie selection or not, hes had long enough..
get off your high horse mate because by the sounds of it you can fit your total football knowledge on the back of a postage stamp

 

[TOOs_Finest]

He was delisted then re-listed??? That's not hard to work out 'I'd have thought'.

Exactly! It's not like the recruiters have just gone out and found him and Dimma has insisted we take him on. In fact, these exact recruiters were the ones who brought him to the club two years ago. They would have been the ones who watched him as a junior and insisted we give him a go in the first place.

Once he'd been on the list, regardless if he was de-listed (possibly due to injury!!), it would be the coaching panels decision whether they re-list him or not.

Saying 'the coach lives him' is hardly incriminating evidence, suggesting the recruiters who listed him in the first place don't want him now.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

just have to have a chuckle at this.
seems when the club does things well and what we like its all hardwick. but when its the opposite it cant possibly be dimma, talk about blinkers.

Santa, you're missing the point, which is that it's logical that it would be Dimma's choice to decide whether to keep him on or not. Hislop's not new to the club, why would the recruiters be involved in the decision? The club has not hidden the fact that it was Dimma's choice to "keep him on". So of course Dimma will take the hit if it doesn't work out.

On a case by case basis, one massive storm in a tea-cup.

But this trading/drafting season as a whole has been seemingly like one big dare from the RFC. Hope it works out for the better.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

The problem for me with taking hislop is if his going to be elevated his going to take games off hicks or oriely or contin.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

The problem for me with taking hislop is if his going to be elevated his going to take games off hicks or oriely or contin.

Only if he earns it and they don't... one would hope.

 

[mitch richmond]

whats your point mate?
whether he was drafted in the top 10 of the nd or late in the rookie draft makes no difference to his situation..hes been in the system long enough, and injury or no injury he has not once shown an ounce of talent.
tambling was drafted at pick 4 and his inadequacies as a richmond footballer saw him shipped off..3rd round rookie selection or not, hes had long enough..
get off your high horse mate because by the sounds of it you can fit your total football knowledge on the back of a postage stamp

Hahahaha!
You made the point he was the last in the queue as far as current tiger inside mids are concerned, dead last in fact. I was agreeing with you.

 

[thecotch9]

haha i just detected a hint of sarcasm in your comment before hence my verbal attack on you..all is well..
the point im trying to get across is that in my opinion it doesnt matter where your drafted or rookie listed, in order to stay on the list you must at the very least indicate a degree of talent and ability, which hislop hasnt..
then again the coaching staff seem to know what theyre doing

 

[Cathal Brugha]

The problem for me with taking hislop is if his going to be elevated his going to take games off hicks or oriely or contin.

Depends on how much Dimma "loves them" or so it seems.

 

[Cathal Brugha]

Exactly! It's not like the recruiters have just gone out and found him and Dimma has insisted we take him on. In fact, these exact recruiters were the ones who brought him to the club two years ago. They would have been the ones who watched him as a junior and insisted we give him a go in the first place.

Once he'd been on the list, regardless if he was de-listed (possibly due to injury!!), it would be the coaching panels decision whether they re-list him or not.

Saying 'the coach lives him' is hardly incriminating evidence, suggesting the recruiters who listed him in the first place don't want him now.

All I....and you for that matter.....can do is listen to what comes out of their mouths and follow their actions - See my earlier quote....and by re-listing him the recruiters had one less spot available to them. It will all come out in the wash when he is delisted for good next year. FWIW I'd rather have Casserley or Corrie before Hislop.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Depends on how much Dimma "loves them" or so it seems.

...tough love i reckon......

 

[Goldust]

All I....and you for that matter.....can do is listen to what comes out of their mouths and follow their actions - See my earlier quote....and by re-listing him the recruiters had one less spot available to them. It will all come out in the wash when he is delisted for good next year. FWIW I'd rather have Casserley or Corrie before Hislop.

SO, it's ok to pick up Casserley, who showed nothing in three or four seasons, but not ok to have Hislop, who has shown a little more than Casserley in his two seasons.
Yeah, Casserley was cruelled by injury during his time, so to was Hislop!!
He has a year to prove his worth - it's make or break!

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

SO, it's ok to pick up Casserley, who showed nothing in three or four seasons, but not ok to have Hislop, who has shown a little more than Casserley in his two seasons.
Yeah, Casserley was cruelled by injury during his time, so to was Hislop!!
He has a year to prove his worth - it's make or break!

...after all is said and done in regards to retaining young tommy...thats a good point!!!!......

 

[santa claws]

Santa, you're missing the point, which is that it's logical that it would be Dimma's choice to decide whether to keep him on or not. Hislop's not new to the club, why would the recruiters be involved in the decision? The club has not hidden the fact that it was Dimma's choice to "keep him on". So of course Dimma will take the hit if it doesn't work out.

On a case by case basis, one massive storm in a tea-cup.

But this trading/drafting season as a whole has been seemingly like one big dare from the RFC. Hope it works out for the better.

first let me say i liked hislop as a junior. having said that given the criteria we place on drafting kids in the nd i have to ask why does it not apply when looking at mature players. surely pace and kicking skills are a requirement for nearly all medium sized players hislop has neither. throw in his inability at afl level to consistently find enough of the footy and for sure and certain you can say he has not been retained based on performance and attributes.

under cameron/jackson in recent seasons we have expended many picks on older players and speculative kids. it is a worry.

thomson hislop houli grigg nason webberley miller possibly casserley king roberts nahas farmer derickx spring straight to mind. all in the last season or 3. thus far in their careers all can be labeled battlers.all are older recruits.

why is it we cant let go. casserley hislop polak before them. we delisted then retained surely its time we stopped double guessing ourselves.
we all talk about having loaded up the list with kids but in many ways we have not.

finally if we are looking to promote an inside mid why not contin. he gets the ball inside uses it well has decent pace and gets plenty of it.
tom hislop has had 4 yrs done nothing and in all honesty if he was in a draft tommorrow you would not consider him based purely on what deficiencies he has shown.

to end just on the blame game. you can bet your bottom dollar those who defend hardwick and credit decisions to him now will blame someone else if those decisions dont vcome to fruition. the point im trying to make is hardwick has messiah status for many he can do no wrong. for us realists well we know this is not the case hes made his fair share of mistakes already and will continue to do so.
i dont have a problem with making mistakes as long as the good out weighs the bad but importantly i want us to lern from what mistakes we make. you have to acknowledge them to learn from them.

 

[richmondkickass2]

I agree it is a wasted pick.

 

[mitch richmond]

SO, it's ok to pick up Casserley, who showed nothing in three or four seasons, but not ok to have Hislop, who has shown a little more than Casserley in his two seasons.
Yeah, Casserley was cruelled by injury during his time, so to was Hislop!!
He has a year to prove his worth - it's make or break!

Sooo true!!
Once people don't take a fancy to something they hate it. It's that black and white! On their theory David Gourdis would have been set fire to after being delisted and then redrafted on the rookie list. He'll be 22 in March and has played 3 games. The same people here love him. Go figure!!!!!
Recruiting is an exact science too as far as some people see it. If the people on here were recruiters they'd just go get a Riewoldt in the National, a Craig Bolton in the Pre Season Draft and a Dale Morris in the Rookie Draft!

 

[toptigers]

under cameron/jackson in recent seasons we have expended many picks on older players and speculative kids. it is a worry.

thomson hislop houli grigg nason webberley miller possibly casserley king roberts nahas farmer derickx spring straight to mind. all in the last season or 3. thus far in their careers all can be labeled battlers.all are older recruits.

why is it we cant let go. casserley hislop polak before them. we delisted then retained surely its time we stopped double guessing ourselves.
we all talk about having loaded up the list with kids but in many ways we have not.

I am sorry but this post is a bit of a joke, explain to me how you can say that these players are battlers especially derickx, he has only just been picked up so to draw any conclusions like that are ridiculous. Also Webberley and Nason were late picks who have shown a bit. So you are saying we shouldnt pick 20 year olds in the draft because they have the potential to play 2 less years than the draftees?

 

[CallMeAl]

first let me say i liked hislop as a junior. having said that given the criteria we place on drafting kids in the nd i have to ask why does it not apply when looking at mature players. surely pace and kicking skills are a requirement for nearly all medium sized players hislop has neither.

Did he have pace and kicking skills as a junior?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

...apparently he grew out of both as he got older...

 

[NQTIGER]

first let me say i liked hislop as a junior. having said that given the criteria we place on drafting kids in the nd i have to ask why does it not apply when looking at mature players. surely pace and kicking skills are a requirement for nearly all medium sized players hislop has neither. throw in his inability at afl level to consistently find enough of the footy and for sure and certain you can say he has not been retained based on performance and attributes.

under cameron/jackson in recent seasons we have expended many picks on older players and speculative kids. it is a worry.

thomson hislop houli grigg nason webberley miller possibly casserley king roberts nahas farmer derickx spring straight to mind. all in the last season or 3. thus far in their careers all can be labeled battlers.all are older recruits.

why is it we cant let go. casserley hislop polak before them. we delisted then retained surely its time we stopped double guessing ourselves.
we all talk about having loaded up the list with kids but in many ways we have not.

finally if we are looking to promote an inside mid why not contin. he gets the ball inside uses it well has decent pace and gets plenty of it.
tom hislop has had 4 yrs done nothing and in all honesty if he was in a draft tommorrow you would not consider him based purely on what deficiencies he has shown.

to end just on the blame game. you can bet your bottom dollar those who defend hardwick and credit decisions to him now will blame someone else if those decisions dont vcome to fruition. the point im trying to make is hardwick has messiah status for many he can do no wrong. for us realists well we know this is not the case hes made his fair share of mistakes already and will continue to do so.
i dont have a problem with making mistakes as long as the good out weighs the bad but importantly i want us to lern from what mistakes we make. you have to acknowledge them to learn from them.

Hear Hear, i mean i would rather have kept bling than redraft this dud, he cant bat, cant bowl and cant field.......

oops wrong sport

Cant kick, cant handball, cant mark.

And if it turns to shit who do we blame?


The recruiters or hardwick?

 

[mitch richmond]

under cameron/jackson in recent seasons we have expended many picks on older players and speculative kids. it is a worry.

thomson hislop houli grigg nason webberley miller possibly casserley king roberts nahas farmer derickx spring straight to mind. all in the last season or 3. thus far in their careers all can be labeled battlers.all are older recruits.

why is it we cant let go. casserley hislop polak before them. we delisted then retained surely its time we stopped double guessing ourselves.
we all talk about having loaded up the list with kids but in many ways we have not.

You're all over the shop Santa. You think we shouldn't have taken these blokes but 3 days ago you put 4 of them in your best 22 for Round 1. And you hate us reguessing ourselves but put one of our delisted and redrafted at Full-Back. You sure do like it both ways!!!!!

Here's your team for round 1 -
what should happen imo

b; farmer - gourdis - moore.
hb; deledio - astbury - dea.
c; grigg - martin - newman.
hf; morton - post - houli.
f; helbig - riewoldt - hicks.
r; derickx - tuck - cotchin.
int; contin - connors - conca - one of vickery browne.