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Hogan was good last year. This year his form has been down but don't forget that he had an awful preseason with back problems so he's been behind the eight ball all year.

Looks well below his best of last year but I like the way Bomber shows faith in players, seems to know what he is doing... having said that, doubt he will play next week.

Why do we always need a whipping boy?
 
I may have been a little harsh but in saying that I am not sure about people claiming he needs to build up strength and improve and all that. This is his fourth year on the list. If he is not showing enough it's time to give others a chance. Is tough but that's the way it is at the highest level.
 
What a disgraceful thread. I know his form hasn't been great this year but c'mon, some of the stuff I have read has been so far over the top its ridiculous. We just can't expect every young player coming in to the team to be up to it instantly and consistently.
 

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I'm 50/50 on this.
I've always thought he can be something. As I said in another thread it's possible he becomes our next tagger. He just needs to build the tank.

On the flip side this may just be as good as he is going to get.
It's frightening that Prismall has stagnated / gone backwards at Essendon. They are similar players.
 
Was on TAC Superstars this morning. Came across as a fairly level headed guy. I was interested to hear that his results in school were high enough to get into medicine, but decided to do health science instead so he could focus on his football. Also didn't know his draft results in the beep test the 3km were so good. He was top two in both.

Just had a look at some stats. He's 182cm, which is the same height as Ablett, yet 8 kilos lighter at 80kg. All are mids seems to be in the 85-90kg range, so suggests he still has some more work to do in the gym.
 
Those calling for his delisting or trading are surely taking the piss. Fair enough his form has been poor (thought he was alright against Hawthorn but apart from that...) and he should be dropped, but to draw a line through his name is just ridiculous.
 
Had a ruined pre-season and isn't talented enough to get there on nous alone. But he is a hard worker off the track and will be much better off next year assuming no more interruptions. He was a tad unlucky not to be in the GF side side last year. Last year everyone was saying he was going to have a big future, no those same people are writing his epitaph.
 
Baby Duck said:
What a disgraceful thread. I know his form hasn't been great this year but c'mon, some of the stuff I have read has been so far over the top its ridiculous. We just can't expect every young player coming in to the team to be up to it instantly and consistently.
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We've also got to remember that being "up to it" in a team like this requires a player to be at a level far advanced than those who are "up to it" in most other teams.

The way we play demands that players think very, very quickly and react with equal speed and that they have the ability to execute exquisite skill in a millisecond.

Chappy, Bartel, Ablett, Selwood, Corey....etc etc flick the ball around like crazy. We pin point blokes just in front of their opponents and thread the needle to get the ball back into the guts. We've been blessed with a team that is good enough to pull off this extraordinary level of performance. For those mere mortals who find their way into the team it would be difficult. If you aren't as skillful as the 15 or so other Geelong players who would walk into any other team in the history of the game, you are going to stand out occassionally. Just as Hogan and Lonergan did.
 
TheCattery2007 said:
Why do we always need a whipping boy?
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I've often wondered that meself. Fair enough, give a player a bake when he's turned in a shocker/string of shockers, but peoples' "pet hates" on certain players mean things get a tad out of hand sometimes.

This isn't unique to our board, as it goes.
 
Otto2Gaz said:
We've also got to remember that being "up to it" in a team like this requires a player to be at a level far advanced than those who are "up to it" in most other teams.
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Exactly. This reminds me of something Dennis Cometti said about Bartel I think it was a few years ago. He pointed out that while Jimmy hasn't won a B&F at Geelong, this should not be held against him because doing so was like winning the Miss Venezuela beauty pageant. It's not an easy thing to do in such a good team.
 
Glad some wise heads have chimed in.

Hogan will never be a gun but he has several attributes, not least of which is his work ethic, which mean he will play a lot of games for this football club.
 

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catempire said:
Glad some wise heads have chimed in.
Hogan will never be a gun but he has several attributes, not least of which is his work ethic, which mean he will play a lot of games for this football club.
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Well I better chime in again then .He may well play a lot games for us CE but IMO he will is guy who will only ever be a fringe player. Who is he like in our current group? Byrnes? In fact I think Byrnes is a better kick than him. To me he is like one of those Vanilla Mids that can play a lot games because he can run but he will always be risky player to receive the ball because he will butcher when the heats on. Right now Id rather be playing Duncan than him , next year it will be Menzel as well. The days of guy who just runs finished sometime ago with the likes of Spriggs, the game is about elite disposal and running and he is good at the last one.
 
Turbo, I understand people knocking Hogans decision making under pressure.
I also understand those who think it can develop.

We all have to remember that these guys have spent their junior years playing a game that is nothing like it is now.

I think the kid can run. And he is nothing like Tenace in that regard.
He looks more bairstow like.

With regards to his kicking. I've always doubted the ability to turn someone around to a massive degree in this department.

But wojo was a bad as you could get at pace, and although he is not elite, he has fixed it.
 
Turbocat said:
Well I better chime in again then .He may well play a lot games for us CE but IMO he will is guy who will only ever be a fringe player. Who is he like in our current group? Byrnes? In fact I think Byrnes is a better kick than him. To me he is like one of those Vanilla Mids that can play a lot games because he can run but he will always be risky player to receive the ball because he will butcher when the heats on. Right now Id rather be playing Duncan than him , next year it will be Menzel as well. The days of guy who just runs finished sometime ago with the likes of Spriggs, the game is about elite disposal and running and he is good at the last one.
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If I was as concerned about his disposal as you appear to be Turbo, then I'd share your overall doubt.

His disposal is what I would describe as average. Tenace and Spriggs were well below that.
 
To my way of thinking you have 40 guys on a list. Not all of them can be, or need to be, outstanding footballers. There are always going to be many on the list that are good, average footy players that can come in and adequately perform a role if needed. They are perhaps never going to be "best 22" but they are in that 24/25-30 ranked player on the list.

That is where I see Hogan currently. I thought last year that he had the capacity to be a very good outside midfielder and perhaps with a better pre-season he still has that potential. But right now he is a good depth player and is certainly better than the equivalent players on most AFL lists.

The guy is still young. He is intelligent. He is a very hard worker. He has many positive attributes that he brings to the club. Whilst he has some flaws he certainly is a required player and should be on our list for at least another season and probably more.
 
Turbocat said:
Now thats a comparison that I just don't see. Perhaps you can elaborate on how they are similar but for mine that are just so different in body shape that that I can't really compare the two.
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Not meaning to be derogatory but he's more Malakellis (Spiro) like for mine, good honest toiler with adequate skills.
 

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Some players with worse disposal efficiencies than Hogan in 2010:

Duncan, Bartel, Corey, Steve Johnson, Pods and Mooney.

FWIW.

He's actually very close to Corey in terms of kicking ability. Obviously Corey makes up for his deficiency there in other ways - mainly hard work. That's what Hogan needs to be able to do.
 
catempire said:
If I was as concerned about his disposal as you appear to be Turbo, then I'd share your overall doubt.

His disposal is what I would describe as average. Tenace and Spriggs were well below that.
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I would describe his disposal as average for a player of Joel Corey size or taller. At his size he should be better than that. I'm happy to be proved wrong when he starts kicking goals on the run like Varcoe has shown this year. Tenace struggled in this area and I think Hogan will too.

Now if he was more elusive like Gazza , perhaps someone who will be inside and outside but I doubt he will be. Did you see any of the VFL game Sat, Did you Menzel? I haven't seen that in him either.

Some say , we we should be patient with him. Perhaps his kicking will improve to better than average in time. After 4 years we looking at him as a depth player , hardly a way to build for the future. In comparison , after one year Im looking at Duncan as future star. Not every pick can "become" I know this , but Geelong being Geelong, they will give him every chance to be better than average. I hope he proves me wrong I don't want our players to fail but some will , and as I see it I wouldn't be that upset if he was the guy GWS went after.
 
Corey plays midfield thought Turbo, as does Hogan. It's not like Corey does anything special with his extra centimetres.

We don't see Varcoe or Gazza elusiveness or goalkicking from Corey either. Corey's disposal has never improved, but he has made up for it in other ways. What we see is gut-busing effort no matter the circumstances. That's what we are likely to get from Hogan.

If you hope or need to see something else, you are likely to be disappointed.
 
catempire said:
Some players with worse disposal efficiencies than Hogan in 2010:

Duncan, Bartel, Corey, Steve Johnson, Pods and Mooney.

FWIW.

He's actually very close to Corey in terms of kicking ability. Obviously Corey makes up for his deficiency there in other ways - mainly hard work. That's what Hogan needs to be able to do.
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Agree with this. Corey rarely is goal kicker on the run either. But 191 and as strong as a bull Hogan has lot to do to make me compare him with Corey. Joel Corey is legend of this club , he has stood tall when we needed him. For this I will blink when he shanks one or two or misses the goal he should get.

Not sure what the stats say but to my eyes Duncan is a much better kick, Bartel is a good reliable kick , SJ is not long but is generally good. Mooney is better technically than shot mentally. Pods Im not sure on. I love the way his kick is usually the same shape but at least twice this year we have lost games when he has missed goals. Carlton and Adelaide. Still Id say he was better than him.

Its not a matter of me be disappointed. If he can develop into a better player as you think he will , fine. If he doesn't and he is still here in 3 years getting games then we will have a side similar to the 2010 Ess.
 
Turbocat said:
Now thats a comparison that I just don't see. Perhaps you can elaborate on how they are similar but for mine that are just so different in body shape that that I can't really compare the two.
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Sure they are different in body shape right now.

I'm not totally sure mate.

But they both shuffle across the turf like they could do it all day.
They are both very square shouldered in that they both can't really sidestep.


Bairstow had more time and a load more confidence to use the ball.

I'm not convinced Hogan can't use the ball. Although I admit the level of pressure and having to play to our style may have him caught right now.

I see something, and I can't put my finger on it.
 
Turbocat said:
Everyone we draft is our future , kids that are put on our Rookie list are our future ... till they are cut. Hogan was drafted in 2006 , for a running player that is long enough to push his way into the side if he is good enough. I'd put money on Duncan being a bit further along after 4 years on the list . He has flaws in his game and I doubt time will fix them.
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Agreed. I really don't know how he's getting a game at the moment. His disposal is very ordinary and worse under pressure. I can't for a moment believe we wouldn't get the same or better output from Duncan or Menzel.

He may improve, and there is still time, but for now he has to pick up form in the seconds. Because he doesn't deserve a game based on Friday's effort.
 

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