honest thoughts on clarkson's future

[tommy_as_ice]

i truly believe he is currently 50\50 to stay. a few weeks ago i thought he was a certainty, but these ridiculous occurances that cost us games as a direct result of his coaching incompetance are just too much.

first we lose several games cause he decides to play an undeveloped football player on the oppositions leading full forwards and today he takes spider off because of a pre-assigned routine. "hey forget about being versatile and adapting to whats happening on the field - we have a pre-arranged bench rest routine we have to attend to!!! heaven forbid we don't attend to it!"

its just ridiculous.

 

[Hawkk]

I was very impressed by the teams performance today.

The Dogs are 2 years further advanced in their development then us.

 

[illnino]

I was very impressed by the teams performance today.

The Dogs are 2 years further advanced in their development then us.

What!!! A Hawks supporter still supporting the Hawks. Hoorah! joke.

Everitt was completely spent during the end of the 3rd and the whole 4th quarter. I'm pretty sure that it was Spidas decision to come off - most of the time. He had a good game, he just doesnt quite have the legs in his older age.

 

[Binxy]

Hodge at full back was a joke though - it just happened to be at the exact same time the Doggies shut the gate.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

My honest thought is that he makes the shots and will live and die by his decisions.
He know's this, and so do I.

 

[mulhollanddrive]

I'd as a preference:

Mathews - contract any length up to 3/4 years.
Clarkson - contract 1 year + go after Mathews when his contract is up next year.

I wouldnt want any of Sheedy, Pagan, Blight, Ayres.

If Kennett can land Mathews it'll be as vital as Mcguire landing Malthouse. It could be the difference between GFs and mediocre 5th-8th finishes in the future IMO.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Hodge at full back was a joke though - it just happened to be at the exact same time the Doggies shut the gate.

We (Hawthorn) would have to be the only club who plays our best and most dangerous player out of position. I'll never understand why any coach would even think about taking Hodge out of the engine room.

 

[tommy_as_ice]

has there ever been any actual real official discussion about bringing down leigh mathews?

i'd love to see it happen. i think finishing his career off at hawthorn with a premiership would be fulfill the greatest career as footballer\coach in the history of the AFL.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I think the Lethal fantasy has been cultivated for a very long time. Dicker was in contact on almost a weekly basis for nearly a decade,he hasnt come.

 

[Mr.Likeable]

The opening post wasn't "Honest thoughts on Hawthorn's coaching future?"
It was "Honest thoughts on Clarkson's future".

I guess Clarkson will be a very successful AFL coach and/or CEO for the next 30 years.

I think there's a very real chance he'll be the first to move into a hybrid role where he runs a club's fortunes as CEO with a strong involvement in the coaching panel.

 

[RustyHawk]

I believe he (Clarkson) is certainly worth another year. Dont forget he's learning the head coaching caper as well and will make mistakes, just theres a limit to how long we can give him.

I dont believe we give him as long as Daniher @ Melbourne, Bomber @ Geelong & Thomas @ the Saints to prove he cant get us into a GF.

And,if we do get rid of him, who do we replace him with? Not Ayers for pete sake.

 

[illnino]

Hodge at full back was a joke though - it just happened to be at the exact same time the Doggies shut the gate.

Exactly right. I also believe this is what shut the gate - but, Clarko obviously had some sort of reason for putting hodge back there and he will learn from this mistake. As RustyHawk has stated, he is still a young coach learning the rungs and I think we should give him another year or 2 or perhaps maybe even 3.

Watching McGlynn, Franklin, Lewis, Campbell, Roughie, Mitchell, Hodge etc. strutting thier stuff yesterday gets me exited to see what Clarkson can do with these guys in 2-3 years time when they are more experienced and have ironed out the flaws in thier games holding them back.

On the whole Matthews as Coach thing:

From: http://hawthornfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=270955


Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has emphatically denied meeting Brisbane Lions coach Leigh Matthews to discuss the possibility of the four-time premiership coach returning to take charge of the Hawks.

"I only pause at these questions to try and reflect back on the last five months and I can't think that I have seen Leigh in person on a one-to-one and I haven't spoken to Leigh," he said on Melbourne radio station 3AW on Saturday.

Kennett said Clarkson had been consulted that the Hawks had formed a sub-committee to decide who would coach the club next year.

This could either mean Clarkson winning a new contract to the continue the re-building process he started last year or the Hawks turning to a new coach with club legend and former Geelong and Adelaide coach Gary Ayres and current Carlton coach Denis Pagan also having been linked to the position.

Kennett said it was the right way to go about deciding who would coach the club next year.

"We have a process in place that both Alastair and the club knows," he said.
"And I think you will find that he (Clarkson) and his manager have been part of the process all the way through."


I don't think Lethal's comin' over boys.

 

[Hawkk]

I think the Lethal fantasy has been cultivated for a very long time. Dicker was in contact on almost a weekly basis for nearly a decade,he hasnt come.

This is football we are talking about, rational thinking is not required nor welcome

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

The thing that worries me most about Clarko is he seems either unable to recognise his mistakes or unwilling to learn from them. He made the same mistakes again yesterday with his clockwork rotations. Rotating your No 1 ruckman when you have the run of play and trailing by only 3 points is (in my mind) stupidity.

 

[illnino]

The thing that worries me most about Clarko is he seems either unable to recognise his mistakes or unwilling to learn from them. He made the same mistakes again yesterday with his clockwork rotations. Rotating your No 1 ruckman when you have the run of play and trailing by only 3 points is (in my mind) stupidity.

Spida was completely exhausted from near the end of the 3rd quarter till full time. He could hardly get a tap toward the end. Played well though, not dissing him.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

I have it on pretty good authority that Clarkson's new contract is virtually a fait accompli. The appointment of a sub-committee wasn't just a token action, but from what I understand, the club is still very much in support of AC.

I'd be fairly comfortable with that decision too, I reckon will become one of the premier coaches in the comp in time. Has made some mistakes, as all inexperienced coaches do, but people involved with him speak highly of his preparation and tactical nous.

 

[illnino]

I have it on pretty good authority that Clarkson's new contract is virtually a fait accompli. The appointment of a sub-committee wasn't just a token action, but from what I understand, the club is still very much in support of AC.

I'd be fairly comfortable with that decision too, I reckon will become one of the premier coaches in the comp in time. Has made some mistakes, as all inexperienced coaches do, but people involved with him speak highly of his preparation and tactical nous.

Well said.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Has made some mistakes, as all inexperienced coaches do, but people involved with him speak highly of his preparation and tactical nous.

I've heard that as well about Clarko, from people in the know at Port Adelaide and Central District. They told me we had a good one. The puzzling thing is he's not really showing that "nous" as far as I can see.

 

[carntheroos4eva]

Don't know why some of you guys are writing off Clarko. Especially when he told us that we are in the middle of a rebuilding stage at Hawthorn and will only win a few more games than what we did last year.

He is only doing what is right for the club.

 

[Gary Shadforth]

A decision on whether or not there will be an extension to Clarko's contract will be made by the Board of Directors on June 12. That's tomorrow week.

 

[melb_will]

The number of coaches who can coach at AFL level is limited. Clarksons future has nothing to do with how good a coach he is in the absolute sense. Rather it has to do with how good he is compared to possible alternatives.

Right now, if we were to replace Clarko with another coach it would either be an experienced has been, aka Pagan, Ayres, etc or another up and comer.

Chances are another up and comer would make the same mistakes that Clarkson has been making which would just put us 2 years behind on a coaching front.

The argument for an experienced coach is diminished because of the lack of sucessful exeperienced coaches available.

At this stage I think that we are better off giving Clarkson the Zac Dawson approach, ie leave him to get thumped and hope he learns from these mistakes. HOWEVER, this will only work if there is someone around to help him learn, I suggest that the club rehires him and then engages someone to act as his mentor, a less official role than the one that David Parkin held. In fact it doesn't even need to be someone involved in AFL, what I would really like to see is Clarko talking to someone like Ric Charlesworth on a regular basis.

After all, the process of throwing Zac Dawson in the deep end and expecting him to learn without help was futile, why should a coach not be the same.

cheers

Will

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Fair comment, Will. Gazing into my crystal-ball I see Clarko sitting in the coaches box in 2007 with a big satisfying grin on his face as the boys walk off the paddock in round 5.

 

[Buster the hawk]

I was very impressed by the teams performance today.

The Dogs are 2 years further advanced in their development then us.

Last year people were saying that the bulldogs were 2 years further advanced in their development than us which means that we should be at least 12 months closer by now ,my point being that yesterday the bulldogs best players were Ryan Griffen an out and out star who was drafted the same time as Buddy and Roughy and although these two guys have done alright thus far ,we can only dream of them imposing their presence on a game as Griffen did yesterday,another good player for them was Higgins who was only drafted last year i believe ,throw in the likes of Farren Ray and Coonie and we have players drafted at the same time in our lineup which is why repeatedly hearing yet another lame excuse such as this for another loss s#its me.The fact is we don't have the onfield leadership that we should have by now and our skills are crap as they have been for the last five years.Sure the bullies WERE a potential finals contender at the start of the year but there lineup has been absolutely desicrated by injuries and with our superior big man stocks we should have won .

 

[Roughie]

Like it or not his still learning his trade as a HEAD coach in the big leagues. With the mistakes of a young team, we are going to have to put up with the mistakes of a young coach. I think the club has to perserve with AC as he learns his trade and moulds this team into the game plan he wants to form for our future. I think the comittee must give him 2 more years.

 

[Fabulous]

Fair comment, Will. Gazing into my crystal-ball I see Clarko sitting in the coaches box in 2007 with a big satisfying grin on his face as the boys walk off the paddock in round 5.

Agree. More than likely it will be the same smile that the previous coach had after his contract extension.