How do you solve a problem like Nathan Brown?

[Bonuspoints]

Re: How do you solve a problem like Nathan Brown ?

A lot of young KPDs go through this. They start to get caught a bit with the holding, chopping and pulling on the jersey. The bodywork needs to become instinctive and natural so its going to take a bit of time to get this out of his game. Scarlett went through it and I can remember him going mental at a few games after getting a free kick paid against him. Its all part of the learning curve.

 

[Bay Pie]

Re: How do you solve a problem like Nathan Brown ?

he got smashed by Buddy in 2008 as well, so where was the fluke?

Good young defender, will be the long term Presti replacement no probs

Yep. Nate will learn. Franklin doesn't like the body contact unless he's initiating it. Reid did that and did well on Franklin.

Nate just needs to use his big body on his opponents body to put them off balance. He did that real weel against J.Brown in 2008 but has gone away from that a bit.

He'll be fine.

 

[lyfsux]

Re: How do you solve a problem like Nathan Brown ?

put some training wheels on him so he doesn't fall over as much might be helpful too

 

[nugget_12]

Re: How do you solve a problem like Nathan Brown ?

I actually dont mind Nathan Brown as a defender, i think he would be better served if he was playing in the seniors each week instead of in and out.
I think Presti is possibly holding him out of the side so when presti is gone Brown should come on really well!

But look if you guys are upset with him, then let him walk (preferebly to us in the PSD)

Good player IMO just needs time at AFL level!

 

[lethalburns]

The Richmond supporter has it spot on.

Furthermore Brown has had an interrupted season with injury and is not sky high on confidence.

When the boy gets his confidence back and has a good streak in the 1s he'll be a tough one to beat.

Personally I think he is ahead of where Scarlett / Taylor were at similar ages.

Sometimes we forget how young guys like Travis Cloke, Ben Reid, Dawes and N.Brown are because they are built like mountains. They are at the very start of their careers.

 

[danielnajdek]

The Richmond supporter has it spot on.

Furthermore Brown has had an interrupted season with injury and is not sky high on confidence.

When the boy gets his confidence back and has a good streak in the 1s he'll be a tough one to beat.

Personally I think he is ahead of where Scarlett / Taylor were at similar ages.

Sometimes we forget how young guys like Travis Cloke, Ben Reid, Dawes and N.Brown are because they are built like mountains. They are at the very start of their careers.

Spot on. They're all under 23 I think. Cloke's a bit older then Reid , Dawes and Brown.

 

[HFF]

Haven't got a problem with him.

Obviously was the wrong match-up to play on Buddy because he has had some very good success on Roughy in the past.

Overall, Mick experimented and let things unfold i.e. Macaffer playing more of a midfield role, ditto Beams, constant chop and change of match-ups to see how players handle different scenarios.

He is a young KPP who needs time to develop in the senior side. He will be fine.

 

[The New Breid]

He's been very good in recent weeks, he's just a horrible match up for Franklin. I'm so glad we haven't lost very often this year, some of the stupidity on this board makes me want to kill myself.

 

[mattys123]

some of the stupidity on this board makes me want to kill myself.

Really?

You are talking about stupidity, and then you are talking about killing yourself over a few comments from some very passionate Collingwood supporters who over react when we lose our first game in 3 months.

Really? Stupidity?

Nathan Brown struggles on the best players, I think we all know that, and he has to improve some aspects of his game, because simply put, we need him to, especially with Presti getting towards the end.

I can understand the frustration from some in this thread, we lost that game for one reason, and his name was Lance Franklin, simple as that, and Nathan Brown was on him for the majority of the match.

Brown needs to improve, or long term others may go past him.

 

[The New Breid]

Yes, I was being deadly serious .

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Nathan Brown is fine - He wasn't suited to the Buddy match-up, and I'm frankly surprised Reid wasn't played on him from the start.

When you have one agile forward and one more powerful forward, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which one Reid is a good match-up for, and which one Nathan Brown is a match-up for.

Next week, the Dogs have Jarrad Grant and Barry Hall... Granted, Presti would be back, but if he wasn't, you wouldn't expect Reid on Hall and Brown on Grant.

 

[didaka]

First time he's been beaten this year.

 

[bucksisbest]

^ That's probably true , but it was the way he got beaten. It looked more due to him losing the plot more than half of the time, than Buddy being at his brilliant best.

 

[didaka]

Buddy has beaten him before, and convincingly, so it's probably a mind thing.

Fev does the same thing to him. They're both very athletic.

I think you really need to get the matchup right to get the best out of Brown.

I mean he destroyed Tippett last week. Much better matchup there.

I think Buddy is always going to have that edge on Brown, however, to me, he seems a better match for Roughead anyway and I don't see why he didn't go directly to him from the first bounce.

Franklin is ridiculous though. If he doesn't get you in the air (which he didn't yesterday), he gets you at ground. It's almost unfair.

He would've kicked 5 on Presti.

 

[TradeDraft]

Buddy has beaten him before, and convincingly, so it's probably a mind thing.

Fev does the same thing to him. They're both very athletic.

I think you really need to get the matchup right to get the best out of Brown.

I mean he destroyed Tippett last week. Much better matchup there.

I think Buddy is always going to have that edge on Brown, however, to me, he seems a better match for Roughead anyway and I don't see why he didn't go directly to him from the first bounce.

Franklin is ridiculous though. If he doesn't get you in the air (which he didn't yesterday), he gets you at ground. It's almost unfair.

He would've kicked 5 on Presti.

Agree with that. The More Athletic Tall Forwards Murder Rambo more the Gorillas like Tippet and J Brown he can be more effective

 

[well left]

Seems everyone is on the right track with Brown not being the right match up for Franklin. Reid is going to be the best match up IMO but first game back is not the time to try that out and Reid probably needs one more preseason to get his strength up.

This is why Presti is still critical and why we are probably going to be better in the next couple of years when we have strong mature bodies in Brown and Reid matched accordingly with Brown on the bigger types like Tippett and Reid on the more athletic like Franklin and riewoldt.

 

[Thommo 42]

You guys are aware that it was buddy right?

He has destroyed every decent defender in the game at some point.

Kicked 7 in an elim final on Bock when Bock was AA. Kicked 9 on Dustin Fletcher etc etc

 

[soreplums]

I think he starts behind his opponent too often. He needs to start at least along side him for a lead so he doesnt get lcaught out. Good to see that he is getting more of the Pill, though. Decision making will get better.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'm not concerned. Too trigger-happy around here for mine.

 

[Zahki]

Boy this thread is a stinker.

 

[Yam yam]

Boy this thread is a stinker.

Agreed. Definitely not one of Matty's best

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: How do you solve a problem like Nathan Brown ?

I actually thought Brown was ok to be honest.

Not great, just ok. I still think Goldsack is our only match-up for Franklin. Although having said that, Reid did ok as well.

But I told you all we can't beat Hawthorn as long as Franklin live and breathes. But having said that, it's been clear for the last 2 weeks that we've been in 'preparation' mode, for want of a better word.

If I don't see 22 maniacs on the field next Saturday night, then we're going out in straight sets.

 

[AsianWithAFro]

Pretty pathetic some of your comments.

He is only 21. Do you really expect every young player to come along with leaps and bounds straight away?

 

[Kirby]

He got beaten by Franklin. He won't be the last and it wasn't an ideal matchup.

I don't agree with you on one thing though Ed. I used to fear Hawthorn but after Saturday I have no fear about playing them in a final. None at all. I don't think they have it over us and I know that if we are half serious that we will beat them.