How is a player's price calculated?

[SaintSyd]

I'm a supercoach newbie so apologies if my question seems a touch dumb to supercoach veterans........

I understand that the value of players changes after round 3 based on their average score for the first 3 rounds. But does their price change have a 100% correlation with their average score. For example Gary Ablett is currently priced at 744K based on an average score of 140 last year. So does that mean that if say K Cornes averages 140 points over rounds 1-3, his price will jump up from 480K to 744K? Or would his price jump less, based on the assumption that this high average will drop off?

Also, how is a players price determined later in the season? Is it based on the whole season up to that round or only on the 3 rounds immediately beforehand? For example take imaginary Player A. After round 10, will Player A's price be determined by his overall average score from rounds 1-10 or will his price only be determined by his average score from rounds 8-10?

Thanks in advance for any help with these questions!

 

[Un_OC]

Ok, firstly they only change a by a bit.... so if kornes does start to average 170 hyperthetically then he wouldn't jump to *magic number* time 170. h would take a bit leap, but wouldn't get anywhere near it.

No assumptions.. just he only moves a bit of the way, and then in round 4 he moves a bit closer to the new average.


It's based purely on the three rounds previous. So going if a player went

starting price 100k rookie
150
140
130
50
40
30

Then after week 3 he would be moving upwards as his break even is 140 * magic number
then after week 4 he moves closer to (73.3333) * magic number. after week 5 he moves closer to 40 * magic number.

So theoritically a player if they get injured or change position near the end of the season could have a price no where near their average as there price is to represent there current performance while still acknowledging their past price (performance), INSTEAD of being a direct relationship to them weeks ago.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

SaintSyd

If you head over to Tooserious.com.au you can figure all that information out for yourself very easily.In the stats section you can calculate the future prices. You type in the scores and it figures out the price rises and falls for you.
This site is exactly what you are after and pretty much everyone in here uses it.

 

[LiverpoolRed]

It goes by every 3 rounds a footballer plays, take for example Ablett wo started at 744k at an avg of 140. So he pulled a 127 on saturday so in order to keep his price he will have to make up thoes 13 points lost aswell as 140 in round 2 and 3. Now lets jump a few rounds in say he scored a 140 in round 7 and a 130 in round 8 and was averaging 135 for the season his price would have dropped a little (not much though). So its round 9 and Ablett limps off the ground in the second qtr and scores a 40. He is right to play in round 9 and you think beauty ill pick him up now coz he has dropped in price, concidering his avg over the last 3 games is only 103.3. But this is wrong because you would lose money over the next 2 rounds because of that 40. What would be a better option is to let him go for 2 more weeks because that 40 wil effect his next 2 averages even if he scores, say 170 and 150 in the next 2 rounds he will still drop heaps because of the 40 he scored.

This is just an example with 1 player and if you time it right and watch players closely you can pick up a gem any time of the season, all it takes is 1 bad game.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[LiverpoolRed]

Ok, firstly they only change a by a bit.... so if kornes does start to average 170 hyperthetically then he wouldn't jump to *magic number* time 170. h would take a bit leap, but wouldn't get anywhere near it.

No assumptions.. just he only moves a bit of the way, and then in round 4 he moves a bit closer to the new average.


It's based purely on the three rounds previous. So going if a player went

starting price 100k rookie
150
140
130
50
40
30

Then after week 3 he would be moving upwards as his break even is 140 * magic number
then after week 4 he moves closer to (73.3333) * magic number. after week 5 he moves closer to 40 * magic number.

So theoritically a player if they get injured or change position near the end of the season could have a price no where near their average as there price is to represent there current performance while still acknowledging their past price (performance), INSTEAD of being a direct relationship to them weeks ago.

You kinda have it right but a bit wrong.. I worked for Champion Data for a few months last year.

 

[LiverpoolRed]

I'm a supercoach newbie so apologies if my question seems a touch dumb to supercoach veterans........

I understand that the value of players changes after round 3 based on their average score for the first 3 rounds. But does their price change have a 100% correlation with their average score. For example Gary Ablett is currently priced at 744K based on an average score of 140 last year. So does that mean that if say K Cornes averages 140 points over rounds 1-3, his price will jump up from 480K to 744K? Or would his price jump less, based on the assumption that this high average will drop off?

Also, how is a players price determined later in the season? Is it based on the whole season up to that round or only on the 3 rounds immediately beforehand? For example take imaginary Player A. After round 10, will Player A's price be determined by his overall average score from rounds 1-10 or will his price only be determined by his average score from rounds 8-10?

Thanks in advance for any help with these questions!

The system used will calculate a % that he will jump buy for the 1st 3 rounds but it will be nowere 100% if he sustaines an average of 140 for around 7-8 rounds you will se him at 700k+. It is also lightly based on scores in previous years thats y if you look at Kenelly, Ladson and Waters, who all scored 0 last year, are all at diffrent prices. Kenelly had the best 08 Ladson had an avg 08 and Waters only played 8 games from memory. This is why rookies jump the most in value, because the have little to no previous history.

 

[Purrfect Pussies]

You kinda have it right but a bit wrong.. I worked for Champion Data for a few months last year.

What did they have you doing? Making coffees?

 

[LiverpoolRed]

What did they have you doing? Making coffees?

Nah they asked me to satisfy your mum.

 

[Pout]

You kinda have it right but a bit wrong.. I worked for Champion Data for a few months last year.

No you didn't.

 

[Parasite]

Nah they asked me to satisfy your mum.

I presume that is why you don't work for them any more - they sacked you for non-performance.

 

[Pout]

i presume that is why you don't work for them any more - they sacked you for non-performance.

lol .

 

[lloyd136]

Don't all the player's values have to equal X number when combined together? Example, if Barlow and all the other rookies rise by 800k altogether in the first 7 rounds, then underperforming premiums, etc. have to drop 800k altogether to even out? I think that's why every player in the league got a mini-discount from their projected prices this year, because all the second year rookies went up to 100k and therefore the magic number had to be changed.

This probably has nothing major to do with price changes during the year but I thought I'd contribute.

 

[Un_OC]

Since there are 3300 point per game, it means that the overall price of all players playing 3 rounds straight should be 26400 * magic number.

But remember some don't play and other will play 2 games and not change etc.. so yes and no... In theory they should, but in practice because there are players whodn't play and some players are fwds who play back or mid or whatever it doesn't = out.

 

[LiverpoolRed]

I presume that is why you don't work for them any more - they sacked you for non-performance.

I acctually quit to start my own business.
And it is actually virtual sports who do all the stuff for SC/dream team, but they use the Champion Data stats for SC. Thats why I know a little bit about it.

 

[Parasite]

I acctually quit to start my own business.

Found your new business:

LiverpoolRedalo Gigalo - "Putting smiles on the faces of Mums all over Australia."

 

[Purrfect Pussies]

Found your new business:

LiverpoolRedalo Gigalo - "Putting smiles on the faces of Mums all over Australia."

Gold

 

[Walesy]

A chance for a shameless plug, and I wasn't here to plug it! S2B, quality plug mate.

SaintSyd, a direct link to Kornes would be here - http://tooserious.net/?page=player_calc&id=267&pcid=12434 but you can also get there by going to the Stats pages and clicking on the little calculator next to their name.

As you can see, the players slide up and down towards the price that they have been averaging over the last 3 weeks.

But have a play with it, and see what you can see.

lloyd136 - Yes, there is a total salary cap of all players in SuperCoach. So once everyone's movement is calculated, everyone is then rounded down (or up) to hit that cap.

 

[Clunk]

At the start of the year it is done like this.

 

[LiverpoolRed]

Found your new business:

LiverpoolRedalo Gigalo - "Putting smiles on the faces of Mums all over Australia."

Hahaha, nice 1 mate instant classic .