How many years 'down' for the Roos?

[mark73]

No idea eh? Good answer.

Oh so it wasn't draft expulsion and sanctions from the AFL that lead to the current demise of (as you said) Carlton?

What happened to those teams after their golden period? They sunk like a stone. Thanks for giving me arguments to prove my argument.

So you're saying what I said that they have come down after a golden era? Your argument? Ah I think you just reinforced mine.

The Kangaroos have been on a golden period but will fall.

Back to the crystal ball thing again are we? Wow. I think the club should hire you as an advisor. You seem to know a lot about their future. Even stuff they don't. You must be the magical man.

Living in the past are we? Friday night football, was pioneered long ago by the Kangaroos, but there's no point living in the past.

Wasn't it you who said in a previous debate that Richmond had 10 flags to our 4, na na na, we better than you?

It's 2007, not the 70s.

Neither was the pioneering of friday night football. Facts!! Find 'em, use 'em.

Nope, it's too clever for bigfooty to think of it. I find you as one of the poorest clubs by the fact that in a few years time, your economic situation will force you to move to the GC.

Oh so in other words based on assumptions. Magical man is at it again. Do you read palms and all that sh*t too?

Any other clubs doing that? No? I wonder why?

Are any clubs doing that at all Mr Magical Man? Enlighten us on your knowledge of our move. The members are going to hang a few club officials if you're right. Thats not on the agenda as far as we know.

And finally the roos do the right thing and don't top up with the dregs of Hawthorn's spine. I think they have learned something.

Like Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley (a roos reject), Paul Hudson, Greg Stafford should I continue?

Ahh, no, Richmond's in a much better financial shape than the Kangaroos, we're no the ones who have to relocate some of their matches to Queensland.

Thats true. Mainly because 15 years ago you went cap in hand to the public. But you wouldn't have been old enough to remember that. Remember the extinct ads on T.V? They were priceless in the bleeding heart department. As I said before, worst 25c I ever spent.

And who listens to Wilson or Sheahan?

You

I just use common sense.

Based on what Mr Merlin? Facts? Knowledge? The magical rub of the crystal ball again? Your main problem is you are yound and typically arrogant. Truth is your entire argument is completely void of any facts, or any knowledge of the company known as the North Melbourne Football Club. So in essence you're really just another everyday typical BF poster who believes what they read in the paper. Until you provide evidence to the contrary, thats all you'll ever be.

Every team has young talent, it's just that you have too much "classy" older players (HA!) and not enough GOOD young players.

Even if that we're true which it factually isn't, your just sprouting crap again, it would still be a better combination than having 400 young players (like Richmond), but most of whom aren't worth a pinch of sh*t.

Interesting that both clubs you mentioned comfortably beat the Kangaroos this year.

I could wear that from Collingwood supporters given their record of late has been good against us even when we were doing well. However I would draw the line at Richmond who's record against us would have to be near on the worst of any club v club of the last 15 years. Pathetic, in fact.

Essendon is another. Hawthorn has a bit.

Essendon maybe. Hawthorn? You're pulling yourself again Magical Man.

Fact is, it's not just the money, it's the list. No way could a side lead by Daniel Wells beat Judd, Kerr and Cousins.

I'm sure they could. But what club is lead by Daniel Wells? Do you ever get anything right?

I predicted where you finished this year.

Well, it's you. I bow to the magical one.

Why would next year be any different?

I don't know. But if we do have a good 2007, don't worry, I'll be searching far and wide to give you a nudge and let you know. But if you said it, it must be true. As you know, you're the .............

No insults? I'm disappointed. I feel like I missed out.

Well I thought I'd try and take the mature approach. Forgot I was dealing with a self-opinionated typically arrogant (factually nonsensical) Richmond supporter. Mistake won't be made again.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

2 more years.
Laidley could be gone by the end of the year too.

 

[Richo83]

Oh so it wasn't draft expulsion and sanctions from the AFL that lead to the current demise of (as you said) Carlton?

That's not what I meant. Someone said that Kangaroos haven't finished bottom four consecutively for 30 years, and I was saying that's like Carlton, about to run into some horrible form they never had before, but now they have.

So you're saying what I said that they have come down after a golden era? Your argument? Ah I think you just reinforced mine. Back to the crystal ball thing again are we? Wow. I think the club should hire you as an advisor. You seem to know a lot about their future. Even stuff they don't. You must be the magical man.

Well the roos have been a good side in the pat 20 years, but the thread starter was onto something when he said how long the slide was going to last. After years of success, the roos IMO are going to fall onto hard times, partly because of poor planning, partly because of inadequate services. Much like the Windies how they fell, and the hawks how they fell, and the blues how they fell, no planning.

Wasn't it you who said in a previous debate that Richmond had 10 flags to our 4, na na na, we better than you?

Well, um that's a fact. But anyway let's ignore that little fact shall we?

Neither was the pioneering of friday night football. Facts!! Find 'em, use 'em.

I stand corrected, thank you. They were introduced in the 80s, not the 70s. But still, its in the past.

Oh so in other words based on assumptions. Magical man is at it again. Do you read palms and all that sh*t too? Are any clubs doing that at all Mr Magical Man? Enlighten us on your knowledge of our move. The members are going to hang a few club officials if you're right. Thats not on the agenda as far as we know.

Well, even if you aren't moving to the GC, which would seem strange to play games there without any move to move there or establish a fan base for the future, you can't survive in Melbourne, especially with the fact that your club is losing money.

Like Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley (a roos reject), Paul Hudson, Greg Stafford should I continue?

Firstly, Graham played one year then retired. Secondly he wasn't a starter but a fillin. Thirdly, Hudson was a terrible mistake and Kingsley hasn't played yet, might not play any matches. Compare this to Hay and Thompson who were championned as your FF and FB, bit of a difference.

Thats true. Mainly because 15 years ago you went cap in hand to the public. But you wouldn't have been old enough to remember that. Remember the extinct ads on T.V? They were priceless in the bleeding heart department. As I said before, worst 25c I ever spent.

Living in the past aren't we. See the roos being past the financial difficulties, they're stuck in one now. Thing is, my club didn't relocate. Someone elses will though.

YouBased on what Mr Merlin? Facts? Knowledge? The magical rub of the crystal ball again? Your main problem is you are yound and typically arrogant. Truth is your entire argument is completely void of any facts, or any knowledge of the company known as the North Melbourne Football Club. So in essence you're really just another everyday typical BF poster who believes what they read in the paper. Until you provide evidence to the contrary, thats all you'll ever be.

Firstly, what does yound mean? Is that your attempt at calling me young? Or do you like inventing imaginary words. I'd rather be arrogant than incorrect. And lastly, where do you get this idea that I'm basing my opinion on the papers? So the papers are the only people who can be right?

Even if that we're true which it factually isn't, your just sprouting crap again, it would still be a better combination than having 400 young players (like Richmond), but most of whom aren't worth a pinch of sh*t.

Factually? Wells your best player? Deledio and Raines are both better than him. If you really had some talent you wouldn't finish in the bottom three.

I could wear that from Collingwood supporters given their record of late has been good against us even when we were doing well. However I would draw the line at Richmond who's record against us would have to be near on the worst of any club v club of the last 15 years. Pathetic, in fact.

Yes, living in the past. Just because the roos beat a hapless Richmond in the past doesn't mean they aren't in dire trouble as a club now.

Essendon maybe. Hawthorn? You're pulling yourself again Magical Man. I'm sure they could. But what club is lead by Daniel Wells? Do you ever get anything right?

Well Hawthorn just built their own training base, compared to the roos who have just burnt their training base. Waverly is worth a bit of money. As for Wells, I hear from roos fans all the time that Wells is their best player and will lead them out of this rut. Wells seems like the obvious choice as captain since he's your best young player by far.

Well, it's you. I bow to the magical one. I don't know. But if we do have a good 2007, don't worry, I'll be searching far and wide to give you a nudge and let you know. But if you said it, it must be true. As you know, you're the .............

I'm the what? I love your comments about me, don't hold your tonuge. Maybe I should have gave you a nudge earlier this year when your club was 2-7, playing with a seven man backline, averaging 10 goals a game and still losing.

Well I thought I'd try and take the mature approach. Forgot I was dealing with a self-opinionated typically arrogant (factually nonsensical) Richmond supporter. Mistake won't be made again.

No, no, don't hold back. I loved your comments before I missed them when I didn't recieve more of your witty comments.

 

[moistie]

Essendon maybe. Hawthorn? You're pulling yourself again Magical Man.

Other than:

• multiple investment properties,
  
• about $4.5 million in the bank,
  
• a state of the art training facility that cost us about half a million to fit out (which would have cost us multi-millions if we had to pay to build it all ourselves),
  
• a training facility that we lease for a dollar a year
  
• a training facility that will become our property in tweny four years when the lease expires,
  
• adding the multi million dollar per year Tassie sponsorship while maintaining our existing sponsorships
  
• and all this since '96 while we've gone through our largest period of on field mediocrity since the '50s.

Yeah, we're doing it tough. No chance of us matching it finalcially with the interstate teams, despite settling in Melbournes population heartland (where we have a traditionally strong supporter base) and the natural connection to one of Melbournes wealthiest suburbs.

After all, what is listed above has come in the last twelve years, when the club was practically bankrupt with millions in debt. It's the same reason why Carlton will never go out of business.

 

[Hawkk]

The Kangaroos can go one of 2 ways next season, they could either;

a) Stick with what they have got and probably win their 10-12 games but forever be destined to remain a middle of the road club at best

or

b) Bit the bullet and rebuild the club from the bottom up

If they opt to take the 2nd option they are still most probably another 3-4 years away from playing finals - afterall its not just the 'cleanout' that takes time, but getting the runs into the youngsters can also take a good 2-3 years.

Unfortunately given the change to the priority pick system it now takes longer and is more difficult to reconstruct a list exclusively via the draft, so a Kangaroo resurgence via the draft will most probably take longer then the St.Kilda/Bulldogs turnarounds.

At the end of the day its up to the head honchos at the Kangaroos to dictate which root they take, however if I was a Kangaroo supporter I'd be much happier if the club wanted to win premierships rather then merely be competitive. Granted it can get difficult at times, but as a fan I'd be much happier barracking for talented kids that excite fans for future success, rather then older players that will never promise more then a low finals birth.

IMO all clubs should aim to win a premiership at all times with their list - if they can't see their list taking them to a premiership its time to clear the deadwood and start again. What I can't understand is why Kangaroo supporters continue to bag Hawthorn and Richmond - two sides that have made difficult decisions and are now primed for future success - if anything they should use these models as a case study for success.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

4 more years IMO.

They managed to stay around the middle of the road with not a lot of quality for a long time, but eventually they just crumbled with their old guys struggling and not much young talent to fall back on. Yes, they blame their fitness advisor but is there really much a fitness advisor can do? Will he have said "No, eat KFC every day, get pissed and stay off the excercise"? He will have said "Get fit."

2006 was their first year for quite a while when they were a truly poor side. I don't think they'll go anywhere in the next 4 years. What marginal improvement they may get from their young guys will be cancelled out by decline and retirement of their old players. Every rebuilding side loses a generation of older players but usually they then have a group of core players that can hold them together for a few years at the bottom.

St Kilda lost Burke, Loewe and most of the '97 minor premiership team, but still had Harvey, Hamill, Gehrig, Hudghton, Hayes, Thompson, Peckett, Jones and Baker to keep them together during a rough period. Then we recruited Riewoldt, Kosi, Ball, Clarke x2, Dal Santo, Maguire, Montagna, Goddard, Fisher x2 and traded for Brooks and Gram. They are the core of our side for the next 7 years, but they still have the support of the other guys.

When the Kangaroos lose Harvey, Grant, Thompson, Archer and Simpson they'll have to rely heavily on Petrie, Wells, Brown, Hale, Rawlings and Harris. The team will be absolute crap in terms of young talent (for a rebuilding team) for at least 2 more years, but then I don't think their experienced players (Petrie, Rawlings etc) will be good enough to lift the young guys into the top 8 for a few more years. In 2004 the saints did well because our experienced players dominated, supporting the draftees superbly and fast-tracking our rebuilding. The Kangas won't be able to do this, and neither will Hawthorn or Carlton. The Kangaroos will stay at the bottom until the draftees are good enough to make their own way.

Kangaroos in the future
2007 - 2010: Bottom 6
2011 - 2012: Top 8
2013 - Top 4

 

[windsock]

What I can't understand is why Kangaroo supporters continue to bag Hawthorn and Richmond - two sides that have made difficult decisions and are now primed for future success - if anything they should use these models as a case study for success.

May I suggest that you have to have success before it can become a case study for success? That said, last year's respective 11th and 9th placings would probably qualify as successes compared to your recent placings.

 

[Richo83]

The last two posts bring some important points to the table which haven't been discussed yet. Kangaroos can be competitive and rely on Grant and Harvey to reach 7th but it means little. 2005 They made the finals but were the worst team there. Obviously this list can't win a grand final and it would be pointless to try and win one. The Kangaroos should be looking to the future, especially as nothing is happening now.

They say that they can't afford to bottom out, but in reality they can't just keep staying competitive. The Kangaroos have been doing that for 30 years and are still in massive financial difficulties. Time to try something new. The Kangaroos needs to start cleaning out its list and start pumping it full of players that will take it to a flag, rather than 6th, because flags egt the members, not just 88 pt thrashings in elimination finals.

People say that it hasn't worked, I say rubbish. Look at West Coast, they finished 14th in 2001 and got Judd as a result, who led them to victory in last year's grand final. Look at WB, now because of some low finishes, they now have some players capable of taking them to the grand final. While it seems horrible to lose games for future development, in today's world of the AFL being based on money and draft picks, it's almost neccesary. Carlton tried to go by by playing the dad's army and it didn't work.

I agree with MSG that the Kangaroos will be "down" for four years. Whether that's out of rebuilding or the fact that their current list wont be competitive to win with 30 year Old Simpson, Grant and Harvey leading their list, their side will stuggle in the next few years.

 

[Leroy16]

That's it? You blame your poor season solely on your Fitness Advisor?
Nothing to do with your inability to play an attacking style of play, your poor trading for top up players who've taken you nowhere. Thompson being the one and only exception.


Do you actually believe what you type? You really think that your fitness advisor was to blame for all your poor perfromances?
Not your list or inept coach?


Seriously, if you took off your rose coloured glasses you'd see that a fair swag of your young players aren't too special, and aren't quite up to the standard of some of the youngsters at other AFL clubs.

Firrito, Petrie, Watt have all played ok at points but are far from great players.
Wells is inconsistent, Jones also and Harris turns the ball over too much, although he can still get it a fair bit.

I honestly can't see how you expect to leap-frog other teams and keep off the bottom.

Thats alright mate we dont need to leap-frog over you. You will be keeping us off the bottom

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Leroy, I can't see the Roo's finishing above Essendon, or anyone for that matter.
As a matter of fact, I'm not on my Pat Malone.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271622

 

[windsock]

Leroy, I can't see the Roo's finishing above Essendon, or anyone for that matter.
As a matter of fact, I'm not on my Pat Malone.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271622

Is there a poll for who will win the flag in 2007? Perhaps we can save ourselves a whole lotta time and let the BigFooty intelligentsia decide the rightful Premiers this year.

 

[The Zebra]

4 more years IMO.

They managed to stay around the middle of the road with not a lot of quality for a long time, but eventually they just crumbled with their old guys struggling and not much young talent to fall back on. Yes, they blame their fitness advisor but is there really much a fitness advisor can do? Will he have said "No, eat KFC every day, get pissed and stay off the excercise"? He will have said "Get fit."

It is a tad more complex than that. Prior to last year, we had three consecutive years where we had very good starts to the season, and then dropped games late in the year. To address this, the fitness staff devised a plan whereby the players would have a softer pre-season and they would build fitness throughout their year with the aim of reaching peak fitness come finals time. It didn't work.

The strategy was communicated BEFORE the season - so it is not made up. I have heard both Thompson and Archer (two blokes who don't bullshiit) talk about the pre-season being the easiest they have ever had and the effect it had.

It is not all down to the fitness program - the coach and the players performed terribly in many other areas - but it was a real factor.

2006 was their first year for quite a while when they were a truly poor side. I don't think they'll go anywhere in the next 4 years. What marginal improvement they may get from their young guys will be cancelled out by decline and retirement of their old players. Every rebuilding side loses a generation of older players but usually they then have a group of core players that can hold them together for a few years at the bottom.

Hold them together at the bottom. You might accept low finsihes but I don't. I hope my club don't either. If we are at the bottom we have fallen apart.

When the Kangaroos lose Harvey, Grant, Thompson, Archer and Simpson they'll have to rely heavily on Petrie, Wells, Brown, Hale, Rawlings and Harris. The team will be absolute crap in terms of young talent (for a rebuilding team) for at least 2 more years, but then I don't think their experienced players (Petrie, Rawlings etc) will be good enough to lift the young guys into the top 8 for a few more years. In 2004 the saints did well because our experienced players dominated, supporting the draftees superbly and fast-tracking our rebuilding. The Kangas won't be able to do this, and neither will Hawthorn or Carlton. The Kangaroos will stay at the bottom until the draftees are good enough to make their own way.

Harvey and Thomspon have 4 years of good football left in them. Grant probably 2-3. By the time these players retire, Wells will be 25, Smith will be 24, Hansen will be 22, Hale will be 26, McIntosh will be 26, Moran will be 24, McConnell will be 24, , Swallow will be 23, Harris will be 28, Firrito will be 27, Petrie will be 28, Rawlings will be 29, Jones will be 29.

That is a good core. 6 of those guys have the ability to become stars. 3 of them look like money in the bank stars. I am very confident the rest will be quality 200+ games footballers.

This group is at an age where they can start to have a consistent influence as early as this year. More important than the 'youth' that everyone craps on about is the guys who have a few years in the system. We have a couple of high draft pick ruckman who now have spent 4-5 years at the club. A group of talented midfields who have had 3-4 four years in the system.

18 years olds are only exciting because you haven't seen them fail yet. The majority fail. The real exciting players are those that have had 2-3 years at a club and look like they are going to make it

The Bulldogs rise was due more to players like Cross, McMahon, Gilbee getting to an age and stage of development (22-23) where they could put in more consistent performances than drafting a whole lot of kids in 2004. North have a fair whck of these type of players entering that age bracket, and complemented by a return to form of the senior group this should see us go up the ladder.

A lot has to go right for us to play finals - as it does with just about every other club - but we will be in the mix.

With regards to the poll - anyone who thinks North are going to spend at least 4 more years in the bottom 4 - meaning 5 consecutive years in the bottom 4 (something not done since the Saints of the 80s)- is a moron

Anyone who thinks will we spend that time there because we traded for Jon Hay is an even bigger moron.

It seems BigFooty is full of morons.....well there you go.

 

[Hawkk]

May I suggest that you have to have success before it can become a case study for success? That said, last year's respective 11th and 9th placings would probably qualify as successes compared to your recent placings.

Obviously the end result isn't there yet, I'm talking about the process here.

Both clubs accessed their list, recognized that the in the majority the list they had wouldn't win them a premiership, they cleared the decks - including the majority of the coaching and administration and rebuilt their entire football clubs from the bottom up...

That's what the Kangaroos need to do.

 

[mark73]

That's not what I meant. Someone said that Kangaroos haven't finished bottom four consecutively for 30 years, and I was saying that's like Carlton, about to run into some horrible form they never had before, but now they have.

Based on one season?

Well the roos have been a good side in the pat 20 years, but the thread starter was onto something when he said how long the slide was going to last. After years of success, the roos IMO are going to fall onto hard times, partly because of poor planning, partly because of inadequate services. Much like the Windies how they fell, and the hawks how they fell, and the blues how they fell, no planning.

Like I said, you're entitled to your opnion. I don't however agree. Without making excuses, our kicking for goal in 2006 cost us a few games. One of which was against your mob. That can be rectified, has nothing to do or even remotely related to falling down the drain.

Well, um that's a fact. But anyway let's ignore that little fact shall we?

It is indeed a fact, and I commend you on that. I just hope that for their supporters sake, along with Port Adelaide that they can look towards evening the recent ledger. Cos' we wouldn't want to do anything silly like live in the past.

Well, even if you aren't moving to the GC, which would seem strange to play games there without any move to move there or establish a fan base for the future, you can't survive in Melbourne, especially with the fact that your club is losing money.

Fair enough. Although if we were able to regain the 5,000 members that didn't re-sign from 2005, this wouldn't even be a discussion. However I'm aware that if's should've's and could've's mean little, so the onus is on the supporters.

Firstly, Graham played one year then retired. Secondly he wasn't a starter but a fillin. Thirdly, Hudson was a terrible mistake and Kingsley hasn't played yet, might not play any matches. Compare this to Hay and Thompson who were championned as your FF and FB, bit of a difference.

Difference in what way? Were they not quick fix attempts? Nobody knows how Hay will turn out. He may be a great find, or he may be a dud. Again, thats the hand you play when trading. But the fact is Hay was AA. Your rejects were a marginal pass, at best. As for Kingsley, he may be some value, just as long as nobody says boo at him.

Living in the past aren't we. See the roos being past the financial difficulties, they're stuck in one now. Thing is, my club didn't relocate. Someone elses will though.

Rub rub rub away my ignorant friend.

Firstly, what does yound mean? Is that your attempt at calling me young? Or do you like inventing imaginary words.

A spelling retort. God love him.

I'd rather be arrogant than incorrect. And lastly, where do you get this idea that I'm basing my opinion on the papers? So the papers are the only people who can be right?

Well it's not based on North Melbourne. So what are you basing it on? Bear in mind the crystal ball stuff is old hat and will be severely torn apart.

Factually? Wells your best player? Deledio and Raines are both better than him.

Hahahaha what???? Even as injured as he has been Wells has had more influencial on games than those two. And while I rate Deledio, Raines will be a HBF. He didn't get horses skills thats for sure. Although I'll pay him he has more go in him than horse had.

If you really had some talent you wouldn't finish in the bottom three.

Oh, ok. Spot on. Again, I bow to the ............

Yes, living in the past. Just because the roos beat a hapless Richmond in the past doesn't mean they aren't in dire trouble as a club now.

It doesn't mean they are either. Like I said, provide some e.v.i.d.e.n.c.e!!! Either that, or just drop the subject.

Well Hawthorn just built their own training base, compared to the roos who have just burnt their training base. Waverly is worth a bit of money.

I'm sure it is but the financial comparison was the West Coast Eagles and I'll say it again, you're pulling yourself, again.

As for Wells, I hear from roos fans all the time that Wells is their best player and will lead them out of this rut. Wells seems like the obvious choice as captain since he's your best young player by far.

Bigfooty number again? I don't have any doubt that at some stage Wells will be captain material. Best player? No. May eventually be, but no.

I'm the what? I love your comments about me, don't hold your tonuge. Maybe I should have gave you a nudge earlier this year when your club was 2-7, playing with a seven man backline, averaging 10 goals a game and still losing.

You could've, but I would have reminded you that you support Richmond, and given that you conquered another fabulously boring and repetitive ninth, coupled with your dismal record against the Roos since god knows when, and the response may have been rather nasty.

No, no, don't hold back. I loved your comments before I missed them when I didn't recieve more of your witty comments.

Witty comments?

HAHA

HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just get your spelling in order maestro.

 

[Pykie]

You could've, but I would have reminded you that you support Richmond, and given that you conquered another fabulously boring and repetitive ninth, coupled with your dismal record against the Roos since god knows when, and the response may have been rather nasty.

Absolutely Pwnd Richo.

Throwing stones in glass houses agin Richo?

The hype surrounding Richmonds kids are rediculous, Deledio and Raines are very good young prospects, however, the buck stops there, the rest are decent at best.

A Top 10 draft picks doesnt ensure success, of which Richmond fans are likely to find out in the future all to well.

Wells, Smith, Hansen, Grima, McConnell, Swallow, Hale, McIntosh, Moran, Trotter stack up easily against Richmonds younger players

But just because the roos kids arnt incosonsistent girls dicks, they arnt considered "destined" for "premiership glory"

The Tigers have ridden the wave of Richo, Brown, Johnson's for too long, often they get a taste, but never do they go on with it, you know why? Because none of them are true champions, and its been a long time since you've produced one, and, i can see it being an even longer time, with some of the overated hacks currently on your list.

 

[subtle hustle]

Not surprisingly every North supporter that has posted in this thread has spewed forth vitriol to anyone who dares suggest they are not going to be moving up the ladder anytime soon.

Belittling, insulting and downplaying other posters clubs as some form of defence against your own poor list is not going to change any opinions on where your list is at.

To claim your list of kids is anywhere near that of Richmonds is ridiculous. Sure, a top ten pick doesn't mean they will star but they have a number of quality players who have shown something at senior AFL level (Deledio, Polo, Raines, Hughes, Tambling) already while you Roo supporters are naming players like Trotter and Grima, the former being put up for delisting on your own board only months ago...and if I delve even further, you were talking up Joel Perry like he was going to be the next Darren Glass.....now, where is he I wonder?

Face it, your club is on the road to nowhere and your optimism to see you in the top 8 is nothing but fantasy being seen through your rose-colored glasses and collective heads in the sand.

I'm going to leave you to it, as it's quite obvious you're oblivious to the situation your club is in.
Feel free to bag anyone who posts affiliated club as I'm sure it makes you feel better, but just keep in mind that in the end they're going to finish the year above you.
Enjoy the season.

 

[Leroy16]

Leroy, I can't see the Roo's finishing above Essendon, or anyone for that matter.
As a matter of fact, I'm not on my Pat Malone.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271622

I just said that we will not need to leap-frog essendon because they were under us. And your opinion is different to mine. if you think the roos will finish on the bottom of the ladder thats fine but personaly i dont, and i think the only team that will keep us off the bottom of the ladder will be essendon. i dont care what anyone else can see. and i dont care if your not on your pat malone. i am also not on my pat malone.

 

[Richo83]

Based on one season?

Based on your list and the current standings of you club.

Like I said, you're entitled to your opnion. I don't however agree. Without making excuses, our kicking for goal in 2006 cost us a few games. One of which was against your mob. That can be rectified, has nothing to do or even remotely related to falling down the drain.

Ha, we beat you by 6 goals that game. There is inaccuracy and theres being inadequate.

It is indeed a fact, and I commend you on that. I just hope that for their supporters sake, along with Port Adelaide that they can look towards evening the recent ledger. Cos' we wouldn't want to do anything silly like live in the past.

Didn't Port Adelaide thrash you by 88 points in your last finals appearance? Looking at both lists, Port Adelaide will enjoy more wins against the roos in times to come.

Fair enough. Although if we were able to regain the 5,000 members that didn't re-sign from 2005, this wouldn't even be a discussion. However I'm aware that if's should've's and could've's mean little, so the onus is on the supporters.

Blaming the financial difficulties on the fans are we? The roos already dug themselves hole when in their first 70 years of competition they only had 2 flags to their name. I know it's in the past but the teams with a lack of flags also are the teams with a lack of monetary success (Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne in recent times)

Difference in what way? Were they not quick fix attempts? Nobody knows how Hay will turn out. He may be a great find, or he may be a dud. Again, thats the hand you play when trading. But the fact is Hay was AA. Your rejects were a marginal pass, at best. As for Kingsley, he may be some value, just as long as nobody says boo at him.

AA six years ago, not now. And trust me, he's a dud. Why would Hawthorn, bereft of FB get rid of him if he was good? As for our trades, while Hay was playing in the reserves, Simmonds was averaging 15+ hitouts and a goal a game.

Rub rub rub away my ignorant friend.

There we go! The insults. How much I missed them. Just quietly, someone who thinks that the roos are in doing financially well and playing well is well, as you day ignorant.

A spelling retort. God love him. Well it's not based on North Melbourne. So what are you basing it on? Bear in mind the crystal ball stuff is old hat and will be severely torn apart.

Why would I ask the roos about how they were going? If I wanted some deluded assessment about their own organization's success, I'd talk to Pagan.

Hahahaha what???? Even as injured as he has been Wells has had more influencial on games than those two. And while I rate Deledio, Raines will be a HBF. He didn't get horses skills thats for sure. Although I'll pay him he has more go in him than horse had. Oh, ok. Spot on. Again, I bow to the ............

Laugh what you want, Deledio in his short period of time has been better than Wells who has been in the system for four years now, double the time of Deledio. And the way your midfield is going, if Raines was a roo, he wouldn't be any HBF, he'd be in the center. Good signs that we don't need to play Raines in the center, there's plenty of other players to take his spot.

It doesn't mean they are either. Like I said, provide some e.v.i.d.e.n.c.e!!! Either that, or just drop the subject.

14th Last year.
Relocating some of your games to the GC.
The club made a loss last year.
The fact that alongside Carlton you have one of the worst lists in the AFL (seems like I'm not alone http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271622,
Your embarrassment of a coach.

I'm sure it is but the financial comparison was the West Coast Eagles and I'll say it again, you're pulling yourself, again.

Hawthorn have alot more assets than the Kangaroos ATM, all you have is an old ground, change rooms burnt to the ground and a large debt.

Bigfooty number again? I don't have any doubt that at some stage Wells will be captain material. Best player? No. May eventually be, but no.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291465 What was that Zebra? What was that Mark? Embarrased that your best player rated by your fellow fans is... Wells?

You could've, but I would have reminded you that you support Richmond, and given that you conquered another fabulously boring and repetitive ninth, coupled with your dismal record against the Roos since god knows when, and the response may have been rather nasty.

Insults always fly when we have nothing else to say.

Witty comments?

HAHA

HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just get your spelling in order maestro.

Yes, your witty comments which I enjoy so much.

Pikie, how have I been pwned?

Wells - Good, Deledio and Raines is better
Smith - Hasn't played a game yet. Liken him to Casserly. Who? Exactly. Lets pump them up when they start playing games shall we?
Hansen - Ditto, could be the next Kosi. We also have Riewoldt.
Grima - Hasn't done much.
McConnell - Reject from WC. Averaged 18 touches but played little games. Akin to saying Schulz averaged 2 goals per game! But from how many games? Polo is better and younger.
Swallow - Alongside Wells is your two a grade players. TWO.
Hale - Ruck division is quality, pity about the other sections.
McIntosh - Has been in the system for 4 years now. Yet to show something. Worth illustrated here Votes: 0 http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290537
Moran - Good.
Trotter - Eh.

Compare this with Deledio, Raines, Polo, Foley, Tambling, Hartigan, Hughes, Schulz, White and Meyer, and we have a better list. Not to mention the fact that our midfield isn't dominated by Grant (29), Harvey (28), Sinclair (28) and Archer (33), the roos don't look too flash.

 

[Pykie]

Pikie, how have I been pwned?

Wells - Good, Deledio and Raines is better
Smith - Hasn't played a game yet. Liken him to Casserly. Who? Exactly. Lets pump them up when they start playing games shall we?
Hansen - Ditto, could be the next Kosi. We also have Riewoldt.
Grima - Hasn't done much.
McConnell - Reject from WC. Averaged 18 touches but played little games. Akin to saying Schulz averaged 2 goals per game! But from how many games? Polo is better and younger.
Swallow - Alongside Wells is your two a grade players. TWO.
Hale - Ruck division is quality, pity about the other sections.
McIntosh - Has been in the system for 4 years now. Yet to show something. Worth illustrated here Votes: 0 http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290537
Moran - Good.
Trotter - Eh.

Compare this with Deledio, Raines, Polo, Foley, Tambling, Hartigan, Hughes, Schulz, White and Meyer, and we have a better list. Not to mention the fact that our midfield isn't dominated by Grant (29), Harvey (28), Sinclair (28) and Archer (33), the roos don't look too flash.

Wells - Better than Deledio and Raines, more poise, more skill, more speed, more creativity, more experience.
Smith - Has played 6 games infact, and in such time shown more in his 2 seasons, than Polo, Foley, Tambling Hartigan, Hughes, of which one was spent on the sidelines.
Grima/Trotter - Still throwing those stones, both have been stricken by injury, not talent issues, last chance for both players have to get their body's right. Whats Tamblings excuse?
McConnell - Not a reject at all, was a trade if i recall correctly, pick 13 and 29 for pick 16 and McConnell, played 4 games after a big issue with glandular fever, averaged 18 disposals, most times only playing a half of footy in these games. More than happy.
McIntosh - I could compare him to one of your young emerging ruckman, ummmmm who? Pattison? give me a break.


How bout i pick apart your sides players.

Raines - Has had one good season, looks good, but Hewitt at one stage looked like the next Wayne Carey.
Deledio - Ditto Raines.
Tambling - Apart from Polak one of the worst top 5 draft selections, in recent memory, passing on Franklin will haunt your side for a long time.
White/Meyer - Both Atheletes, not footballers, you might argue the game is heading that way, but even Sansbury can run a 17.1 beep, and hes absolute rubbish.
Cleve Hughes - Let me tell you a story about Cleve Hughes, at half time during a Coburg game last season, the coach of Coburg was telling Cleve to move up the ground and present a bit more, Cleve replied by telling the coach that his feet were too sore, because he had left his orthotics at home, and subsequently jumped in the shower and put on his clothes, your coach was so furious that he called Wallace to tell him he would never play for Coburg again. But after a bit of persuasion, Hughes had to apologies to the Coburg playing group.

Full of heart down their at Tigerland

 

[The Zebra]

Not surprisingly every North supporter that has posted in this thread has spewed forth vitriol to anyone who dares suggest they are not going to be moving up the ladder anytime soon.

Belittling, insulting and downplaying other posters clubs as some form of defence against your own poor list is not going to change any opinions on where your list is at.

To claim your list of kids is anywhere near that of Richmonds is ridiculous. Sure, a top ten pick doesn't mean they will star but they have a number of quality players who have shown something at senior AFL level (Deledio, Polo, Raines, Hughes, Tambling) already while you Roo supporters are naming players like Trotter and Grima, the former being put up for delisting on your own board only months ago...and if I delve even further, you were talking up Joel Perry like he was going to be the next Darren Glass.....now, where is he I wonder?

Face it, your club is on the road to nowhere and your optimism to see you in the top 8 is nothing but fantasy being seen through your rose-colored glasses and collective heads in the sand.

I'm going to leave you to it, as it's quite obvious you're oblivious to the situation your club is in.
Feel free to bag anyone who posts affiliated club as I'm sure it makes you feel better, but just keep in mind that in the end they're going to finish the year above you.
Enjoy the season.

Nice backout. Maybe next time you start a poll like this you should come in with at least a semblance of an argument. You were very quick with your replys until some facts were put on the table, then you made a quick retreat.

As for Richmond's 'proven players' - I am pretty sure all the players I listed on page 1 are more 'proven' than Hughes - who has played three games for a career high 6 disposals.

Your argument was no young talent coming through and bad trading will see the roos spend a few more years in the bottom 4.

The young talent thing was addressed. It is a myth.

The bad trading argument - well you acknowledged that the Thomspon trade was an 'exception' - so basically you are suggesting that the Hay trade will mean we have 3 years in the bottom 4. Nice thinking.

Anyway, I am starting to feel sorry for you - so how about I call you a knob so that you can leave this debarcle of a thread with the warm fuzzy feeling that the only reason you ran away so fast from your initial points was that the mean and nasty North people get too personal.

See you later you pansie Essendon knob.

 

[windsock]

I have no issue at all with others thinking we'll be rubbish this year. In fact, if I was anything other than a North supporter, I'd have to say that North would be one of the clubs destined to finish 2007 in the lower reaches of the ladder.

The issue I have is that people seem to think we have traded away all our early picks for duds (other than Thompson, who people seem to think was probably a good trade) and we have no kids coming through. All it takes is a little research to see otherwise with both the above.

The fact is that we may have sacrifiiced just one first rounder for Hay - which hasn't worked out so far - and that we have a stack of highly rated juniors coming through the ranks. We may not be ready in 2007, but to say we are destined for four years at the foot of the table is garbage.

 

[Richo83]

Wells - Better than Deledio and Raines, more poise, more skill, more speed, more creativity, more experience.

Raines is one year younger than Wells yet is already matching is productivity. As for Deledio, he didn't win the NAB rising star for nothing. Deledio has been only playing for two years yet already matches Wells for skills, abilty and output.

Smith - Has played 6 games infact, and in such time shown more in his 2 seasons, than Polo, Foley, Tambling Hartigan, Hughes, of which one was spent on the sidelines.

Is this the Polo who won 8 brownlow votes in his first season and 2 BOG's this year? If he's only played 6 games, he's hardly shown anything. Foley, Tambling and Hartigan have all played more than six games and have shown more.

Grima/Trotter - Still throwing those stones, both have been stricken by injury, not talent issues, last chance for both players have to get their body's right. Whats Tamblings excuse?

This is just Tambling's third season. Lets ignore the fact that Grima has been in the AFL system for four years now and as a top ten draft pick, Trotter hasn't shown anything for three years.

McConnell - Not a reject at all, was a trade if i recall correctly, pick 13 and 29 for pick 16 and McConnell, played 4 games after a big issue with glandular fever, averaged 18 disposals, most times only playing a half of footy in these games. More than happy.

The fact stands that saying McConnel averaged 18 touches last year is a bogus fact because he only played four games.

McIntosh - I could compare him to one of your young emerging ruckman, ummmmm who? Pattison? give me a break.

How about compare him to Schulz, another KPP who has shown just as much, even a bit more as a forward target capable of kicking a goal. And as for our rucks, were quite happy to continue with our ruck policy when our ruckman is nearly AA. Let me ask, did any Kangaroos players get close to AA this year?

How bout i pick apart your sides players.

Raines - Has had one good season, looks good, but Hewitt at one stage looked like the next Wayne Carey.
Deledio - Ditto Raines.
Tambling - Apart from Polak one of the worst top 5 draft selections, in recent memory, passing on Franklin will haunt your side for a long time.
White/Meyer - Both Atheletes, not footballers, you might argue the game is heading that way, but even Sansbury can run a 17.1 beep, and hes absolute rubbish.
Cleve Hughes - Let me tell you a story about Cleve Hughes, at half time during a Coburg game last season, the coach of Coburg was telling Cleve to move up the ground and present a bit more, Cleve replied by telling the coach that his feet were too sore, because he had left his orthotics at home, and subsequently jumped in the shower and put on his clothes, your coach was so furious that he called Wallace to tell him he would never play for Coburg again. But after a bit of persuasion, Hughes had to apologies to the Coburg playing group.

Full of heart down their at Tigerland

Raines has the goods to continue to play well. Deledio has had two good seasons and is not a flash in the pan. If Tambling is a bad draft pick, then what about draft picks of Trotter, McIntosh and my favourite, Ashley Watson? Who? Exactly. White and Meyer haven't shown anything, but likewise haven't played much to be written off. But anyway, in today's world, you'd rather be a quick side that wins games like West Coast or Western Bulldogs than a slow side (Kangaroos, Essendon)

And that story about Hughes is a lie. Do you have any proof for your ridiculous story?

 

[boms]

Raines is one year younger than Wells yet is already matching is productivity. As for Deledio, he didn't win the NAB rising star for nothing. Deledio has been only playing for two years yet already matches Wells for skills, abilty and output.



Is this the Polo who won 8 brownlow votes in his first season and 2 BOG's this year? If he's only played 6 games, he's hardly shown anything. Foley, Tambling and Hartigan have all played more than six games and have shown more.



This is just Tambling's third season. Lets ignore the fact that Grima has been in the AFL system for four years now and as a top ten draft pick, Trotter hasn't shown anything for three years.



The fact stands that saying McConnel averaged 18 touches last year is a bogus fact because he only played four games.



How about compare him to Schulz, another KPP who has shown just as much, even a bit more as a forward target capable of kicking a goal. And as for our rucks, were quite happy to continue with our ruck policy when our ruckman is nearly AA. Let me ask, did any Kangaroos players get close to AA this year?



Raines has the goods to continue to play well. Deledio has had two good seasons and is not a flash in the pan. If Tambling is a bad draft pick, then what about draft picks of Trotter, McIntosh and my favourite, Ashley Watson? Who? Exactly. White and Meyer haven't shown anything, but likewise haven't played much to be written off. But anyway, in today's world, you'd rather be a quick side that wins games like West Coast or Western Bulldogs than a slow side (Kangaroos, Essendon)

And that story about Hughes is a lie. Do you have any proof for your ridiculous story?

Us slow HAHAHAAHA

Bombers impress in testing
Monday, 8 January 2007

The Bombers have returned from their Christmas break today ready to embark on the remainder of the pre-season in terrific shape. In testing conducted this morning, the players registered some of the best results John Quinn has seen in his time at the club.

"We are rapt with the whole of our testing results, but in particular Mark Bolton has run very well in the 3.2km and he is up there with the best we have had in nine years," Quinn explained this afternoon.

"We have done speed testing today and Courtenay Dempsey has run the fastest we have ever had over 20 metres and Jay Neagle is the quickest player we have ever had over 5 metres.

"Over 20 players broken the magical three seconds mark for 20 metres so we are rapt to have that sort of speed at the club," he said

And another speed machine around the club Andrew Lovett is a producing some of his best results in the testing, proving he is well and truly over his hip injury.

"Lovett has run an all time personal best today for his twenty metres, a personal best for his counter movement jump; his skin folds are approaching the best they have been so he is looking promising right across the board."

The results all points to the hard work the players have continued do over their break, proving they are ready to fightback in 2007.

"Some players who have come back from the Christmas break in significantly better shape than they left which has shown they have worked really hard and they mean business," Quinn said.

Training now changes slightly for the players in the lead up to Round 1, with the emphasis shifting towards skills, while there will be a greater focus on individual needs.

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Bulldogs last year had 17, We are actually a pretty fast team get your facts right

 

[mark73]

Based on your list and the current standings of you club.

Given that you go on to make a comment about Smith and thus proving you actually know f*ck all about our list, forgive me for not paying much attention to a remark like that coming from someone like you.

Ha, we beat you by 6 goals that game.

So? How does that change what I said. And as I've said before, Richmond had to beat us sooner or later I suppose.

Didn't Port Adelaide thrash you by 88 points in your last finals appearance?

Yes but being a Richmond supporter and one who wouldn't have seen too much finals experience let alone success, see Smith comment above.

Looking at both lists, Port Adelaide will enjoy more wins against the roos in times to come.

Yeah, I bet thats precisely what they've been saying for years whilst lamenting their 13-3 H2H record.

Blaming the financial difficulties on the fans are we?

An adult person barring a disorder couldn't possibly be this stupid. Members mean money. Members are not signing on consistently. 5000 app. are on record of not re-signing after 2005. Had've they, we'd have gone close to 30,000 members. Getting the picture sport? Nothing wrong with our sponsorships. Members are the issue.

The roos already dug themselves hole when in their first 70 years of competition they only had 2 flags to their name. I know it's in the past but the teams with a lack of flags also are the teams with a lack of monetary success (Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne in recent times)

Yes it is in the past, something you criticise others for.

AA six years ago, not now. And trust me, he's a dud. Why would Hawthorn, bereft of FB get rid of him if he was good? As for our trades, while Hay was playing in the reserves, Simmonds was averaging 15+ hitouts and a goal a game.

They also got rid of Nathan Thompson who suffered similar problems and yet has been in career best form the past 2 years, turned his career and to some extent his life around. One thing about North Melbourne that can't be criticised is their culture and treatment of it's people. Something your club has never been known for. Watch for the Wallet knives to come out if Richmond continue their run of perennial 9ths.

There we go! The insults. How much I missed them. Just quietly, someone who thinks that the roos are in doing financially well and playing well is well, as you day ignorant.

I didn't say the Roos are doing great financially. I said they aren't relocating anywhere. They're playing 3 home games a season in SEQ, similar to Melbourne and the WBulldogs are doing in Canberra.

Why would I ask the roos about how they were going? If I wanted some deluded assessment about their own organization's success, I'd talk to Pagan.

Huh?

Laugh what you want, Deledio in his short period of time has been better than Wells who has been in the system for four years now, double the time of Deledio. And the way your midfield is going, if Raines was a roo, he wouldn't be any HBF, he'd be in the center. Good signs that we don't need to play Raines in the center, there's plenty of other players to take his spot.

Raines and Deledio are better than Wells? Like I said, hahahahaha....As for your Raines comparison, no, he'd play off half back.

14th Last year.
Relocating some of your games to the GC.
The club made a loss last year.
The fact that alongside Carlton you have one of the worst lists in the AFL (seems like I'm not alone http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271622,
Your embarrassment of a coach.

Wow, again making reference to Bigfooty as the be all and end all. Put it this way, our list 'firing' is better than Richmond, and the majority of the sides in the bottom half of the ladder. If we have a good run next year, we can make the finals. Unlike Richmond, when we've been on a roll in the past, we don't have trouble breaking through that 9th barrier.

Oh, and if I were a Richmond supporter, the last thing I'd be doing is mouthing off about the inadequacies of other teams coaches. This is in fact, a club who churns out more coaches than any other and makes up 95% of the sacked coaches union, and employed the most inadequate, tactically moronic coach in history in Frawley, and needed a North Melbourne person to come in and sort the sh*t out.

Insults always fly when we have nothing else to say.

But not quite as much as bullsh*t.

Pikie, how have I been pwned?

You mean you actually have to be told?

Well, here's a little one:
Wells - Good, Deledio and Raines is better
Smith - Hasn't played a game yet. Liken him to Casserly. Who? Exactly. Lets pump them up when they start playing games shall we?
Hansen - Ditto, could be the next Kosi. We also have Riewoldt.
Grima - Hasn't done much.
McConnell - Reject from WC. Averaged 18 touches but played little games. Akin to saying Schulz averaged 2 goals per game! But from how many games? Polo is better and younger.
Swallow - Alongside Wells is your two a grade players. TWO.
Hale - Ruck division is quality, pity about the other sections.
McIntosh - Has been in the system for 4 years now. Yet to show something. Worth illustrated here Votes: 0 http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290537
Moran - Good.
Trotter - Eh.
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Added to that is your complete rubbish infested description of Kangaroos players in general.

Compare this with Deledio, Raines, Polo, Foley, Tambling, Hartigan, Hughes, Schulz, White and Meyer, and we have a better list.

I'd take Deledio, Raines, Schulz (sober) and maybe Polo. The rest I wouldn't ********** on.

Not to mention the fact that our midfield isn't dominated by Grant (29), Harvey (28), Sinclair (28) and Archer (33), the roos don't look too flash.

Here we go with the misinformed crapola again. It's been about 3 years since Shannon Grant started playing as a permanent forward, Harvey spends time in the mid but thats diminishing with the development of Swallow and McConnell and the improvement of Harris. Sinclair plays mainly in a back pocket, at best to your description occasionally running off a HBF. Get it together FFS.

 

[nick_savo]

I can't see the roo's getting anywhere in the next 5 years