How many years 'down' for the Roos?

[windsock]

I can't see the roo's getting anywhere in the next 5 years

Who makes these statements about any team? FFS, over a five year period Collingwood made two grand finals had two years near the bottom, and in the fifth year looked likely to finish in the top four again.

BTW what's with writing the Roos with a friggin' apostrophe (Roo's or Roos')?

 

[Richo83]

Given that you go on to make a comment about Smith and thus proving you actually know f*ck all about our list, forgive me for not paying much attention to a remark like that coming from someone like you.

6 Games compared to 0. How many games did he play this year? Fact is, the claim that he's shown more than Polo is a lie.

So? How does that change what I said. And as I've said before, Richmond had to beat us sooner or later I suppose.

Well clearly if he beat you by 6 goals, it wasn't just about accuracy.

Yes but being a Richmond supporter and one who wouldn't have seen too much finals experience let alone success, see Smith comment above. Yeah, I bet thats precisely what they've been saying for years whilst lamenting their 13-3 H2H record.

Thats all roos fans have as a response, we beat you in the 90s. What about now. And in reality, you'd rather have a proper crack at the flag than always making the numbers and getting thrashed by 15 goals/

An adult person barring a disorder couldn't possibly be this stupid. Members mean money. Members are not signing on consistently. 5000 app. are on record of not re-signing after 2005. Had've they, we'd have gone close to 30,000 members. Getting the picture sport? Nothing wrong with our sponsorships. Members are the issue. Yes it is in the past, something you criticise others for.

You think football clubs make all their money from memberships? And even if you had 30,000 members, you'd still be in financial trouble. Have a look at last year, some matches 14,000 came, not a lot of cash coming from those figures. Not only that, but the failed venture into Canberra cost you money as well.

They also got rid of Nathan Thompson who suffered similar problems and yet has been in career best form the past 2 years, turned his career and to some extent his life around. One thing about North Melbourne that can't be criticised is their culture and treatment of it's people. Something your club has never been known for. Watch for the Wallet knives to come out if Richmond continue their run of perennial 9ths.

Richmond has always protected it's players. As for Thompson, it was a move to give the side the extra player it needed to win the flag, which never came. Those picks would be better spent on future youngsters than a 28 year old forward who's never going to win a flag with you guys.

I didn't say the Roos are doing great financially. I said they aren't relocating anywhere. They're playing 3 home games a season in SEQ, similar to Melbourne and the WBulldogs are doing in Canberra.

WB haven't played that many games in Canberra yet, ditto Melbourne. I mean the bulldogs and demons haven't spent millions trying and failing to establish a supporter base in a rugby friendly city of Canberra, like some other side. Now you're moving to GC, testing the waters to see which is the best stay eh?

Huh?

Raines and Deledio are better than Wells? Like I said, hahahahaha....As for your Raines comparison, no, he'd play off half back.

The way your midfield is going, they'd love someone whos in a bit of form.

Wow, again making reference to Bigfooty as the be all and end all. Put it this way, our list 'firing' is better than Richmond, and the majority of the sides in the bottom half of the ladder. If we have a good run next year, we can make the finals. Unlike Richmond, when we've been on a roll in the past, we don't have trouble breaking through that 9th barrier.

You had the best run of injuries last year and finished 14th, why would next year be any different?

Oh, and if I were a Richmond supporter, the last thing I'd be doing is mouthing off about the inadequacies of other teams coaches. This is in fact, a club who churns out more coaches than any other and makes up 95% of the sacked coaches union, and employed the most inadequate, tactically moronic coach in history in Frawley, and needed a North Melbourne person to come in and sort the sh*t out.

Again, dgging up stories of the past. I'd take Wallace over Laidley any day. Hows that guy that he abused in the stands going? Still alive?

But not quite as much as bullsh*t.

You mean you actually have to be told? Added to that is your complete rubbish infested description of Kangaroos players in general.
I'd take Deledio, Raines, Schulz (sober) and maybe Polo. The rest I wouldn't ********** on.Here we go with the misinformed crapola again. It's been about 3 years since Shannon Grant started playing as a permanent forward, Harvey spends time in the mid but thats diminishing with the development of Swallow and McConnell and the improvement of Harris. Sinclair plays mainly in a back pocket, at best to your description occasionally running off a HBF. Get it together FFS.

Grant rotates into your midfield and plays some game time in there. It's like saying Akermanis never played in the midfield because he was a HFF. And where's this improvement of McConnell? He's played 4 games and roos fans reckon he can play center! Maybe for you guys but he'd be on the bench on any other team.

And if Swallow is going to be one of your key centerman, teach him how to kick please.


BTW boms, so what if your players can run fast over 20m. Your side consistently gets run off it's feet in matches and that's what matters. Essendon don't have the leg speed to compete with sides like the Bulldogs and Hawthorn (who lat in the season run Essendon ragged) who pass them by.

 

[Pykie]

6 Games compared to 0. How many games did he play this year? Fact is, the claim that he's shown more than Polo is a lie.

Yes because a season ending injury in the pre-season, but of course his "lack of talent" can be balmed for that cant it.

Actually the fact remains, ive seen both play, you've seen one of them, and me, and every other person who's seen Smith play, will agree he is a much better footballer than Polo, but perish the thought we'd ever mention him in the same ilk as a Deledio!

You had the best run of injuries last year and finished 14th, why would next year be any different?

Again, absolutely no clue.

Take Deledio out of your side, you look extremely slow through the midfield, and lack any run off of half back and through the wings. The same goes with Jesse Smith.

Of course you wouldnt realise that continuing injuries tover the last 2-3 years now to players such as McIntosh, Grima, Trotter, Urch and McConnel usually hinders there development, and thus their impact in the senior side becomes later.

Im sure if 5 of your most promising kids were injured for the last 3 years constantly, you wouldnt be blowing your load at the moment? It is the main contributing Factor to people believing there is no good young players at North, because when your plunked on your couch, watching the Tv they arnt there kicking flukey goals.

And that story about Hughes is a lie. Do you have any proof for your ridiculous story?

Haha dont even know the ins and outs of your own club, ask Cleve if you ever meet him and i guarentee he will confirm it. Happened half way through last season in the VFL, a few weeks before he kicked a bag of 8 in the VFL 2's.

You are a typical armchair supporter Richo83, you only believe what you read in the papers, never get to training, games or club functions.

If it wasnt in the paper, it never happned!

But hey, i cant expect mutch from a bloke who's probably only 15.

 

[mark73]

6 Games compared to 0. How many games did he play this year? Fact is, the claim that he's shown more than Polo is a lie.

At it again. Making up false claims. I never said Smith has shown more than Polo. How could he sitting in the grandstand? But IMO from what I've seen of both players at different stages, by the end of their respective careers, Smith (providing he doesn't get cut down by injury), will have been an infinitely better player.

Well clearly if he beat you by 6 goals, it wasn't just about accuracy.

Whatever. I know what I saw.

Thats all roos fans have as a response, we beat you in the 90s.

Well, er, you don't actually have a response full stop. You're gonna relocate!!, your list is crap!!, you're finished!! blah blah bla!!!. These are not responses. These responses are in fact nothing.

And in reality, you'd rather have a proper crack at the flag than always making the numbers and getting thrashed by 15 goals/

Well you tell us. If I'm not mistaken Richmond had 3 100pt defeats last season. And making up the numbers?!?!?!? Thats something your club has turned into an art form.

You think football clubs make all their money from memberships? And even if you had 30,000 members, you'd still be in financial trouble. Have a look at last year, some matches 14,000 came, not a lot of cash coming from those figures.

Well with the tripe we dished up in 2006 I wouldn't blame people. But that has no bearing on what the future holds. We have some of the most talented youngsters going around. Some who are starting develop, some who need some luck with injuries. When that happens and the club starts to play some attractive football, those numbers will jump dramatically as they have done before.

Not only that, but the failed venture into Canberra cost you money as well.

The "failed" venture into Canberra netted us 1600 members. But it wasn't enough, and the financial guarantee's from the GC council and the AFL wrt moving 3 games from there to SEQ was too good to pass up. Business is simple really when you think about it.

Richmond has always protected it's players.

Richmond wouldn't know what the meaning of loyalty is.

As for Thompson, it was a move to give the side the extra player it needed to win the flag, which never came.

No it wasn't. The move was to get Thompson because the club wasn't sure how much longer they'd get out of Rocca. Fortunately they got an extra 2 seasons out of him.

Those picks would be better spent on future youngsters than a 26 year old forward who's never going to win a flag with you guys.

Predicting the future again huh? Apart from losing pick 18 for Hay, we haven't missed out on too much. And out of that deal we also got McConnell who's progressing nicely during the pre season thankyou for asking.

WB haven't played that many games in Canberra yet, ditto Melbourne.

WTF? What does that have to do with anything? The fact is they'll both be playing home games in Canberra.

I mean the bulldogs and demons haven't spent millions trying and failing to establish a supporter base in a rugby friendly city of Canberra, like some other side.

You really say some stupid things. "THEY ARE SELLING HOME GAMES IN THAT RUGBY FRIENDLY PLACE KNOWN AS CANBERRA." , like that other side. Which part of that are you struggling to comprehend?

Now you're moving to GC, testing the waters to see which is the best stay eh?

No, we should've stayed in Canberra and knocked back the better offer. Whadda ya reckon Mr Duped?

Oh well, make sense in future.

The way your midfield is going, they'd love someone whos in a bit of form.

In a bit of form? Are there games going on that nobody else is aware of?

You had the best run of injuries last year and finished 14th

Oh, so we're using that one again. I guess when all else fails.

why would next year be any different?

Ask me during the seaon. Although I suspect if the Kangaroos are having a good year you'll probably run and hide.

Again, dgging up stories of the past.

Well it's better than digging up stories of predictions (albeit baseless ones) and predictably boring Sheahan/Wilson quotes (listen or not, you even word them the same } and supposed inevitables.

I'd take Wallace over Laidley any day.

Good for you, you're welcome to him. Would love to see the look on his face if they told him to cut back his media commitments. Would be interesting to find out what he values more.

Hows that guy that he abused in the stands going? Still alive?

Wow, what a classy guy.

Grant rotates into your midfield and plays some game time in there.

No he doesn't

It's like saying Akermanis never played in the midfield because he was a HFF.

I don't give a stuff what you think it sounds like. Who/what/where was it said that Grant has never played midfield? Do you read the posts or just interpret them to suit your point?

And where's this improvement of McConnell? He's played 4 games and roos fans reckon he can play center!

The guys 19 years old and has played a handful of games. Hows Tambling going?

and Maybe for you guys but he'd be on the bench on any other team.

What a stupid comment. You're really showing your inadequate debating skills and lack of knowledge of anything related to the development side of AFL football. Or what these Roos fans were getting at.

And if Swallow is going to be one of your key centerman, teach him how to kick please.

There's no such thing as a key centerman. {This is not the United States). I think that was a term used in the days of Geoff Raines (aka the ultimate receiver). As for Swallow, yeah we're quite happy. Thanks for the interest.

 

[loyallion]

3 Would be about right.

 

[The Zebra]

I don't mean to brag - but sometimes I impress myself.

Sure..why not.



We have a fair chunk. And a lot of them are entering an age where theY should be starting to put in more consistently good performances

Wells (21): Has imporved every year. had a good 2006, and rounded himself out with his hardness. Has also become an onfield leader. Needs to now let himself go and become more selfish and take games apart more often. He will be very good in 2007.

Petrie (24): Moved to CHB mid-year and his form was as good as any CHB in the competition. Beat his opponent, zoned off his man, and got plenty of it. From round 12 (when he was moved back) averaged 16.6 disposals, 7 marks, 1.8 tackles and 4.3 rebound 50s. If he maintains that form for a whole year he will be right in AA CHB contention. Massive find in a bad year.

Hale (22) - still very young for a guy of his size, but is approaching the age where he will have more influence. Up until this point he is tracking very well with premier ruckman such as Cox at the same age. Great agility for a big guy, beautiful kick, will move forward more this year

McIntosh (22) - First real crack at senior footy and performed very well this year. Will see plenty of time in 2007 with Hale moving forward a bit. Great below his knees, great kick and around goals, huge (204cm). Still 2-3 years off prime - but will be influential.

Moran (20) - Has been playing footy for only 4 years. Runs 20m faster than most midfielders in the league. Is 201cm. Debuted with 21 possessions and best on ground. Played on and quelled Nathan Buckley in his second game. Little bit of excitement there.

McConnell (20) - spent two years with West Coast. Laidley traded for him. Didn't have a 2006 pre-season due to Glandular fever, came in late in the season and averaged 18 possessions. 191cm midfielder with very good skills who knows how to get the ball. Only 1 year older than Marc Murphy due to being originally drafted as an under age player.

Swallow (19) - Played a dozen games. Rising star nomination. A rarity that a player can come in and play as an in and under midfielder at his age. But he did it. And well. Led all first year players in stats such as contested poss, first poss, tackles, etc. A find.

Smith (20) - Had the best preseason form I have ever seen from young guy in 2006. Dominated practice matches and wizard cup. Broke his ankle in the last hit out before the season proper and missed the year. Automatice inclusion when fit. Adds pace, creativity, arrogance, courage and skill off the back line. Everything we lacked in 2006. Crucial ingredient.

plus the draft picks, of whom I would expect Hansen to play a fair bit of footy.


These sit with some of the best young guys in the league - and a lot of them are not so young that they are a long way off consistency.




Grant and Harvey went from all Australians in 2005 to out of B&F contention in 2006. Grant didn't even make the top 10. A lot of our players form (and pretty much everyone was down on form) was put down to a fitness strategy gone wrong. Could be excuses, but the club did say that they were going to go soft pre-season and taper the fitness of the players so that their fitness built up during the year and they were at the peak come finals. This was done to avoid repeating previous late season fade outs. It didn't work.

There is good reason to believe these two will return back to form. Grant is 29, Harvey is 28 - nowhere near past it.

Simpson and Archer are older and also had down years. Both carried injury. Both are very important to the team

The natural and continued improvement of mid rangers like Harris (24) and Firrito (22) will also help.


We won't finsih bottom 4.

 

[tin can sam]

I don't mean to brag, but look at what I voted for

 

[The Zebra]

I don't mean to brag, but look at what I voted for

When did you vote?

If it was back in Jan then you are wise beyond your choice of team.

Finals is still a long way away - and will be made a harder losing Wells (that is our two best players gone now) but option 4 was definitely the most likely.

 

[bellzy]

When did you vote?

If it was back in Jan then you are wise beyond your choice of team.

Finals is still a long way away - and will be made a harder losing Wells (that is our two best players gone now) but option 4 was definitely the most likely.

Don't you love proving people wrong Zebs?

Ahhh, the sweet sweet smell of success.

 

[DapperDon]

Don't you love proving people wrong Zebs?

Ahhh, the sweet sweet smell of success.

slow down champ, you haven't succeeded in anything yet.

just like this came back to bite a few people, it may very well come back and bite again. Season has a long way to go yet.

 

[The Zebra]

slow down champ, you haven't succeeded in anything yet.

just like this came back to bite a few people, it may very well come back and bite again. Season has a long way to go yet.

Absolutely - a long way to go and it will be even harder now we have lost Wells for a few weeks, but the purpose of this thread was to say we had a shocking list with no youngsters and no room for improvement.

That has already been proven wrong.

The argument was put forward that we had some very good young guys and more importantly the guys who had been there a coulpe of years and were ready to step up.

That has already proved correct.

 

[LancePicioane]

How many years do you think the Kangaroos will spend in the bottom 4 due to poor trading and a lack of quality young players coming through?

They've only just begun the rebuild, deciding not to 'top up' again in last years superdraft, and will almost certainly lose the experience of Archer, Simpson, Grant, Thompson in the next 3-5 years.

They do have some kids with talent in Wells, Smith and Swallow, while also having two good young ruckmen, Hale and McIntosh, but IMHO they are destined to stay in the bottom 4 for at least another 3 years while there 2006 draft and onwards get some experience.


edit: This is a public poll. Honest assessment is needed.

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EGG ON FACE.

 

[tin can sam]

When did you vote?

If it was back in Jan then you are wise beyond your choice of team.

Finals is still a long way away - and will be made a harder losing Wells (that is our two best players gone now) but option 4 was definitely the most likely.

voted in January, I'm so very astute.

 

[Roo-Boy]

Roos 2007 premiers Archer the motivation for it

 

[CrazyQ]

To that Richo dude, Wells is 100X better than Raines.

Smith is definately better than Polo.

 

[Pykie]

Time too name and shame:

How many years do you think the Kangaroos will spend in the bottom 4 due to poor trading and a lack of quality young players coming through?

They've only just begun the rebuild, deciding not to 'top up' again in last years superdraft, and will almost certainly lose the experience of Archer, Simpson, Grant, Thompson in the next 3-5 years.

They do have some kids with talent in Wells, Smith and Swallow, while also having two good young ruckmen, Hale and McIntosh, but IMHO they are destined to stay in the bottom 4 for at least another 3 years while there 2006 draft and onwards get some experience.


edit: This is a public poll. Honest assessment is needed

Well, whether you like it or not, your club is destined to finish bottom 4 for at least two consecutive years(this year and last year). And I'm still yet to see a club finish bottom 4 because they 'like it'.

If you truly believe your club will rally and compete for a top 8 spot, please enlighten us all and explain where the improvement will come from?

I think it may be 4 more years.

Seriously, if you took off your rose coloured glasses you'd see that a fair swag of your young players aren't too special, and aren't quite up to the standard of some of the youngsters at other AFL clubs.

Firrito, Petrie, Watt have all played ok at points but are far from great players

Wells is inconsistent, Jones also and Harris turns the ball over too much, although he can still get it a fair bit.

I honestly can't see how you expect to leap-frog other teams and keep off the bottom

I see Kangaroos problem not as the team, which I have been told by every fan on the planet is good even though it is constantly said in the same breath as Carlton. The problem I see is the staff and the facilities. For instance, Laidley is a crap coach, and obviously had no B plan when his stars were failing other than to chuck Archer in the backline

2 more years.
Laidley could be gone by the end of the year too.

Factually? Wells your best player? Deledio and Raines are both better than him. If you really had some talent you wouldn't finish in the bottom three.

IMO all clubs should aim to win a premiership at all times with their list - if they can't see their list taking them to a premiership its time to clear the deadwood and start again. What I can't understand is why Kangaroo supporters continue to bag Hawthorn and Richmond - two sides that have made difficult decisions and are now primed for future success - if anything they should use these models as a case study for success.

The team will be absolute crap in terms of young talent (for a rebuilding team) for at least 2 more years, but then I don't think their experienced players (Petrie, Rawlings etc) will be good enough to lift the young guys into the top 8 for a few more years. In 2004 the saints did well because our experienced players dominated, supporting the draftees superbly and fast-tracking our rebuilding. The Kangas won't be able to do this, and neither will Hawthorn or Carlton. The Kangaroos will stay at the bottom until the draftees are good enough to make their own way.

To claim your list of kids is anywhere near that of Richmonds is ridiculous. Sure, a top ten pick doesn't mean they will star but they have a number of quality players who have shown something at senior AFL level (Deledio, Polo, Raines, Hughes, Tambling) already while you Roo supporters are naming players like Trotter and Grima, the former being put up for delisting on your own board only months ago...and if I delve even further, you were talking up Joel Perry like he was going to be the next Darren Glass.....now, where is he I wonder?

Face it, your club is on the road to nowhere and your optimism to see you in the top 8 is nothing but fantasy being seen through your rose-colored glasses and collective heads in the sand.

Pikie, how have I been pwned?

Wells - Good, Deledio and Raines is better
Smith - Hasn't played a game yet. Liken him to Casserly. Who? Exactly. Lets pump them up when they start playing games shall we?
Hansen - Ditto, could be the next Kosi. We also have Riewoldt.
Grima - Hasn't done much.
McConnell - Reject from WC. Averaged 18 touches but played little games. Akin to saying Schulz averaged 2 goals per game! But from how many games? Polo is better and younger.
Swallow - Alongside Wells is your two a grade players. TWO.
Hale - Ruck division is quality, pity about the other sections.
McIntosh - Has been in the system for 4 years now. Yet to show something. Worth illustrated here Votes: 0 http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290537
Moran - Good.
Trotter - Eh.

Compare this with Deledio, Raines, Polo, Foley, Tambling, Hartigan, Hughes, Schulz, White and Meyer, and we have a better list. Not to mention the fact that our midfield isn't dominated by Grant (29), Harvey (28), Sinclair (28) and Archer (33), the

I can't see the roo's getting anywhere in the next 5 years

 

[Richo83]

Okay, I stuffed up big time on my assessment on the Kangaroos. I stand corrected.

I, Richo83 grossly under-estimated the Kangaroos. Well, all I can say is congratulations because our club is in the s***.

Have to say though, I wasn't alone in my assessment. Who would have thought that Geelong and Hawthorn would be both in the top three? Not many. Like most Melbourne clubs though, they are still in financial strife. (like Richmond as well yes I know)

 

[nick_savo]

My Bad, the Roos have turned things around this year, well done!

 

[CrazyQ]

Apoligize all you want Richo, you know **** all about footy.

Raines better than Wells?

Deledio has also gone backwards, yet you dont see me claiming McMahon is better.

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Apoligize all you want Richo, you know **** all about footy.

Raines better than Wells?

Deledio has also gone backwards, yet you dont see me claiming McMahon is better.

Look who it is, our resident whinging Sith Efrikan who's too gutless to display the club he goes for

 

[Richo83]

Apoligize all you want Richo, you know **** all about footy.

I wasn't the only one who claimed the roos demise..

Raines better than Wells?

Considering the fact that Raines is a year younger yet is equalling or bettering Wells' output, yes, yes he is.

Deledio has also gone backwards, yet you dont see me claiming McMahon is better.

And I have no idea. McMahon isn't in the same league as Deledio. How exactly has Deledio gone backwards?

 

[Spitz]

I wasn't the only one who claimed the roos demise..



Considering the fact that Raines is a year younger yet is equalling or bettering Wells' output, yes, yes he is.



And I have no idea. McMahon isn't in the same league as Deledio. How exactly has Deledio gone backwards?

Richo, i like Raines but hes been ****ing hopeless this year, pathetic.

 

[Richo83]

Richo, i like Raines but hes been ****ing hopeless this year, pathetic.

It was a minor point anyway. If that is all CrazyQ is got to prove that I'm full of s*** than he's desperate.

Raines hasn't been hopeless by the way. He just plays in a s*** team.

 

[CrazyQ]

I wasn't the only one who claimed the roos demise..



Considering the fact that Raines is a year younger yet is equalling or bettering Wells' output, yes, yes he is.



And I have no idea. McMahon isn't in the same league as Deledio. How exactly has Deledio gone backwards?

Raines better than Wells?

You seriously are deluded.

One plays in the BP, gathering cheap possies and kicking long and blind nearly every time.

The other (Before injur), was averaging 21 possies 1.2 goals and leading the comp in inside 50's.

While getting tagged.

I dont care how old you are, Raines could be 10 years younger, he'd still not be in the same class as Wells.

 

[CrazyQ]

Deledio isnt considered a threat to opposition coaches, at the same age, Wells had already been tagged very hard.

Deledio gets alot of cheap possies off the back flank aswell.