Strategy How to fill the list of a new team

[Freomaniac]

The AFL needs to find a way to free up the decent middle run talent. The GWS model gave them all the top end talent you could want.

Instead of forcing teams to do protected lists & unprotected lists, I think you just make a larger group of players who are uncontracted over 3 years, by temporarily increasing the number of mandatory delistings, double it. Teams have enough time to work that into their list strategy for contracts. The Tassie team then gets first crack at those players, then the other teams come in with the players going into a preseason draft. (Instead of clubs loading up with kids)

Obviously the AFLPA needs to tick off on anything like this, but how’s the time as the CBA is being negotiated

Again.... You can have Tassie have top end picks and have the team that finished bottom have a top 5 pick like west coast did in 2010.

Again the Tassie side won't need 9 picks in the top 20.

Again.... All AFL clubs have 38 players in the main squad and 6 rookie listed players.

They need a moderately balanced list with a spread of ageing players, rejects of other clubs and decent 18-21 year Olds.

I think 16-20 players with AFL experience from other clubs would work.

Tassie will find a way to get 8-12 free agents. Preferably Tassie guys and the occasional Victorian.

Then let them have 8-12 delisted players on 2 or 3 year deals at $300,000 a year to make sure the salary cap is filled.

Worse case scenario is that after year 2 they can delist some of those blokes and can have 1-1.5 million or cap space to retain their kids or lure free agents.

Hand them 2 picks in each of the 7 rounds. That's 14 draft picks

Then hand them 8-10 rookie picks.

So right there...

10-12 free agents

10-12 delisted players or list cloggers on 2 year deals.

14 draft picks in the draft.

That's 34-38 players on the main squad.

Then 6-10 rookies.

So that's a bare minimum 40 players. Maximum 44.

Also if they get Injuries, they use mid season picks

 

[peetoo]

Form a list management right now and in each draft from 2025 give them the picks they would have each year if finished 10th

Round 1 and 2 they must trade for picks after 2028 from other clubs. Later rounds they can take as players (or trade picks) which join the vfl team.

The rest of the vfl team can be made up of non afl players from 2026 onwards and they can protect a portion of the,=m from subsequent afl raids

They also get an academy asap


Once competing In afl, they get picks according to finishing position plus extra picks mid round, which can be taken or traded, and they are allowed to trade with other clubs a few years into the future.

It’s a mix of the wa/sa entrants and the qld/nsw approach

Main point is to spread draft capital over several drafts to avoid filling up in a single poor draft

 

[Brezsa]

Again.... You can have Tassie have top end picks and have the team that finished bottom have a top 5 pick like west coast did in 2010.

Again the Tassie side won't need 9 picks in the top 20.

Again.... All AFL clubs have 38 players in the main squad and 6 rookie listed players.

They need a moderately balanced list with a spread of ageing players, rejects of other clubs and decent 18-21 year Olds.

I think 16-20 players with AFL experience from other clubs would work.

Tassie will find a way to get 8-12 free agents. Preferably Tassie guys and the occasional Victorian.

Then let them have 8-12 delisted players on 2 or 3 year deals at $300,000 a year to make sure the salary cap is filled.

Worse case scenario is that after year 2 they can delist some of those blokes and can have 1-1.5 million or cap space to retain their kids or lure free agents.

Hand them 2 picks in each of the 7 rounds. That's 14 draft picks

Then hand them 8-10 rookie picks.

So right there...

10-12 free agents

10-12 delisted players or list cloggers on 2 year deals.

14 draft picks in the draft.

That's 34-38 players on the main squad.

Then 6-10 rookies.

So that's a bare minimum 40 players. Maximum 44.

Also if they get Injuries, they use mid season picks

What I’m suggesting does make it easier for them to get a handful of experienced players (don’t know why you quoted me, you didn’t directly respond to my post, rather copied your own previous). Don’t know why you went on about draft picks with “again” others can offer a different opinion to you, it’s ok, none of us are right or wrong, none of us will make the decision, your opinion was already there, I saw it, I read it. I’m then allowed to give mine, your opinion isn’t the final word. That’s ok, doesn’t make your opinion invalid. There is no need to then repeat yourself like you have because someone said something different.

Let’s make this place an environment where we let others have an opinion & accept it may differ from our own.

 

[Freomaniac]

What I’m suggesting does make it easier for them to get a handful of experienced players (don’t know why you quoted me, you didn’t directly respond to my post, rather copied your own previous). Don’t know why you went on about draft picks with “again” others can offer a different opinion to you, it’s ok, none of us are right or wrong, none of us will make the decision, your opinion was already there, I saw it, I read it. I’m then allowed to give mine, your opinion isn’t the final word. That’s ok, doesn’t make your opinion invalid. There is no need to then repeat yourself like you have because someone said something different.

Let’s make this place an environment where we let others have an opinion & accept it may differ from our own.

My point is.... If Tassie has 9 of those 15 picks. Do you think they will be traded for 22-24 year old Victorian hacks that have played 20-30 games in 4-6 years?

Going by what GWS and gold coast way of doing things, I don't think so.

 

[Freomaniac]

Form a list management right now and in each draft from 2025 give them the picks they would have each year if finished 10th

Round 1 and 2 they must trade for picks after 2028 from other clubs. Later rounds they can take as players (or trade picks) which join the vfl team.

The rest of the vfl team can be made up of non afl players from 2026 onwards and they can protect a portion of the,=m from subsequent afl raids

They also get an academy asap


Once competing In afl, they get picks according to finishing position plus extra picks mid round, which can be taken or traded, and they are allowed to trade with other clubs a few years into the future.

It’s a mix of the wa/sa entrants and the qld/nsw approach

Main point is to spread draft capital over several drafts to avoid filling up in a single poor draft

Your view is interesting. Say if Tassie comes in 2027 and they have 9 of the 1st 15 picks. Well why the hell would they trade them to Victorians teams?



They will not be as badly run as the dockers.

If Tassie wants experienced AFL players, there's 2 ways....

One way is free agency. Get some 26-28 year Olds on 4 or 5 year deals. Then Victorian sides can get 1st round and 2nd round compo picks.

The other way is the AFL draft and rookie draft. Expect Tassie to get list cloggers with their 6th and 7th rounders and rookie picks.

 

[Brezsa]

My point is.... If Tassie has 9 of those 15 picks. Do you think they will be traded for 22-24 year old Victorian hacks that have played 20-30 games in 4-6 years?

Going by what GWS and gold coast way of doing things, I don't think so.

My point never mentioned the trading of picks or picks in general, rather a suggestion on how to free up middle end players from other clubs Which wasn’t implemented by the AFL for GWS/GC. I even said it might fill the biggest hole GWS had in their build.

My other point was that you already made your point and that’s ok, everyone can have an opinion, what was unnecessary was to copy and paste it, & add AGAIN before every sentence because you obviously felt like that once you gave your opinion nobody else could

 

[Freomaniac]

My point never mentioned the trading of picks or picks in general, rather a suggestion on how to free up middle end players from other clubs Which wasn’t implemented by the AFL for GWS/GC. I even said it might fill the biggest hole GWS had in their build.

My other point was that you already made your point and that’s ok, everyone can have an opinion, what was unnecessary was to copy and paste it, & add AGAIN before every sentence because you obviously felt like that once you gave your opinion nobody else could

I don't know why you are angry LoL.

The point is, I don't want Tassie to be poorly run or bent over the same way the VFL bent over Brisbane and Freo.

Again. I am not forcing my opinion. Tassie don't need 1 million 1st round picks like GWS or sun's did have

 

[Brezsa]

I don't know why you are angry LoL.

The point is, I don't want Tassie to be poorly run or bent over the same way the VFL bent over Brisbane and Freo.

Again. I am not forcing my opinion. Tassie don't need 1 million 1st round picks like GWS or sun's did have

Again I never said they should.

I don’t know why you are quoting me or anyone else when you don’t read what they say, you replied to PeeToo just 3 posts up and again you didn’t actually reply based on what they say.

Not in any post did I suggest the AFL (it was the AFL when Freo entered not the VFL) should offer less, I was actually offering more and I also suggested a different option (it’s not perfect just an idea) instead of handing out first round draft picks, like GWS and GC.

Slowdown and read what others post before replying to them.

 

[Freomaniac]

Again I never said they should.

I don’t know why you are quoting me or anyone else when you don’t read what they say, you replied to PeeToo just 3 posts up and again you didn’t actually reply based on what they say.

Not in any post did I suggest the AFL (it was the AFL when Freo entered not the VFL) should offer less, I was actually offering more and I also suggested a different option (it’s not perfect just an idea) instead of handing out first round draft picks, like GWS and GC.

Slow and read what others post before replying to them.

I read your post. But my post was actually balanced on noth counts.

Tassie don't need 50 1st round picks like GWS did.

The 1st 2 picks in each round is more than enough

The team that finished bottom gets a top 5 pick.

Again.... No one complains about Freo trading away their picks for average players. Yet every one cries about GWS keeping the picks

 

[Brezsa]

I read your post. But my post was actually balanced on noth counts.

Tassie don't need 50 1st round picks like GWS did.

The 1st 2 picks in each round is more than enough

The team that finished bottom gets a top 5 pick.

Again.... No one complains about Freo trading away their picks for average players. Yet every one cries about GWS keeping the picks

I never said anything about picks at all & never suggested they should get a heap. So you aren’t reading anything that I posted.

Also mismanagement by Freo, which is clearly a culture issue as it’s continued on for almost 30 years isn’t relevant to the best way to setup a club. Freo, Brisbane (which in its current form is larger due to a merger), Adelaide setup, isn’t relevant to the discussion. They where setup in a different era, the relevant comparison is GWS & GC who both got substantial packages, the GWS package while not giving them a premiership, within 10 years had them competitive to the point of multiple preliminary finals & a GF runner up, so they where there about. I think we can all agree the GC disaster wasn’t because of the AFL supplied assistance, rather their own mismanagement. That’s why if you read my post you will see I didn’t mention draft picks (which you keep saying I did) rather talked out freeing up middle tier players for Tasmanian to have an opportunity to get them, the GWS didn’t have

 

[sydney_gws]

I think draft pick wise give them guaranteed picks first 3 years.
Initially, every 5th pick in fordt round, then 4 consecutive 2nd rounder ( 1,6 ,11,16,21 ,24,25,26,27).

For year 2 they get (4,12,21) their own 3rd 4th
For year 3 they get (5,12,21) their own 3rd,4th.

 

[peetoo]

Your view is interesting. Say if Tassie comes in 2027 and they have 9 of the 1st 15 picks. Well why the hell would they trade them to Victorians teams?



They will not be as badly run as the dockers.

If Tassie wants experienced AFL players, there's 2 ways....

One way is free agency. Get some 26-28 year Olds on 4 or 5 year deals. Then Victorian sides can get 1st round and 2nd round compo picks.

The other way is the AFL draft and rookie draft. Expect Tassie to get list cloggers with their 6th and 7th rounders and rookie picks.

I’m saying spread the priority over seven years somehow. Which is what gws conspired to do anyway, parking talent in the meantime.

 

[Freomaniac]

I’m saying spread the priority over seven years somehow. Which is what gws conspired to do anyway, parking talent in the meantime.

Again.... I want Tassie to fair better than Freo and Gold coast when they started.

Freo were bent over by the Victorian sides.

Gold coast had flooded their side with country Vic kids

 

[fargothegreat]

If the AFL is serious about wanting us to finish between 6th and 10th in the first year, then they're going to need to provide some juicy concessions to bring in established players.

Here is how I would go about it:

• Each of the existing 18 clubs nominates a 'top 10' list of players.
• Any player outside of a club's top 10 can be taken as a free agent by Tassie — contracted or not — with the club receiving compensation pick(s) for players lost. A maximum of two players outside of a club's top 10 can be taken as free agents, with any extra players having to be traded for.
• Tassie is given a suite of early draft picks split over two or possibly even three drafts, some of which must be traded for top 10 players at other clubs. There would be no limit to the number of top 10 players that can be taken from each club, as the club would have to agree to the deal via trade.
• All Tasmanian born players have the opportunity to move to Tassie as free agents the first time they come out of contract after the end of 2027.

The goal with these concessions would be to recruit around 20 players from other clubs, and then to fill the rest of the list via the draft.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

us

Just to be able to say this word in this context must be liberating, Fargo.

 

[fargothegreat]

Just to be able to say this word in this context must be liberating, Fargo.

It's amazing. Though I am careful about which board to use "us" on. I think having two teams is going to take a bit of getting used to. On the Richmond board, "us" is me with my Richmond supporter hat on, but now we have our new home on the Tassie board "us" can have a different — but equally real — meaning here.

 

[tombomb]

You'd have to pay off the players association to get them to agree, but the only way to build a decent team without ruining the draft again for years is via an expansion draft.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

You'd have to pay off the players association to get them to agree, but the only way to build a decent team without ruining the draft again for years is via an expansion draft.

Would this mean extra picks for existing teams too?

 

[tombomb]

Would this mean extra picks for existing teams too?

Depends how you did it. If each team loses one player then no.

If you let them take an additional player from some of the clubs, they could all get a 2nd round pick as compo.

In addition I would give Tasmania priority access to Tasmanian kids from 2024 draft onwards and they don't enter the actual draft until the end of their first season.

So the draft is basically untouched and each team gives up a player of around the same ability in the 16-25 range on their list.

 

[Kwality]

Tassie don't need 1 million 1st round picks like GWS or sun's did have

The need to pay to retain good players was factored in by the AFL, to ensure there was a turnover over players.
Dont see that has been a success at either the Suns or GWS.

 

[Harry O]

The biggest appointment will be who oversees their Academy of 10-15 year olds from Tasmania in the lead up to 2028.
With finally some investment in junior development in Tassie and a pathway for the players , people will be surprised by what they uncover. Reckon there will be 7-10 Tassie kids from this pathway on their first list Ala Charlie Dixon

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and co at Suns

Then they need to appoint someone like Kinnear Beatson to oversee the list build.

Finally they need to be granted an expanded rookie list for first 3-5 years Something like 40 on senior list and 10 rookies

 

[Kwality]

I never said anything about picks at all & never suggested they should get a heap. So you aren’t reading anything that I posted.

Also mismanagement by Freo, which is clearly a culture issue as it’s continued on for almost 30 years isn’t relevant to the best way to setup a club. Freo, Brisbane (which in its current form is larger due to a merger), Adelaide setup, isn’t relevant to the discussion. They where setup in a different era, the relevant comparison is GWS & GC who both got substantial packages, the GWS package while not giving them a premiership, within 10 years had them competitive to the point of multiple preliminary finals & a GF runner up, so they where there about. I think we can all agree the GC disaster wasn’t because of the AFL supplied assistance, rather their own mismanagement. That’s why if you read my post you will see I didn’t mention draft picks (which you keep saying I did) rather talked out freeing up middle tier players for Tasmanian to have an opportunity to get them, the GWS didn’t have

Its not just the Blues & Freo that havent seen success in the last 30 years.
Culture aka stable management can be addressed by paying whatever it costs to get Benny Gale to go home with a team of liking, not one cobbled together by AFL admin.
Have Benny involved in drawing up the rules around the playing list.
I see Benny was originally recruited from Burnie.

 

[Freomaniac]

You'd have to pay off the players association to get them to agree, but the only way to build a decent team without ruining the draft again for years is via an expansion draft.

Again.... I don't think Tassie needs 8-10 picks in the top 20. Hand them the picks 1-4 then the 1st 2 picks of each round after that.

Well you go look at the 2010 draft....

Was it a great draft? Not one of the greatest of all time like 2001.

But it was a solid one. There were some ok players after pick 20.

Gold coast had 9 of the 1st round picks. Got talented blokes like Swallow and Bennell. Half of those 8 or 9 first round picks Gold coast used were not good.

West coast nailed their picks.

Pick 4 was Gaff. They then got Lycett and darling with the 2nd rounders and McGovern on the Rookie list.

Look at the 2011 draft that was dominated by GWS. They had the 1st 5 picks.

Yet guys like Brad Hill, Joel Hamling, Elliot Yeo and Shane Kersten and Lachie Neale and came Sutcliffe were serviceable players after pick 20

 

[tombomb]

Again.... I don't think Tassie needs 8-10 picks in the top 20. Hand them the picks 1-4 then the 1st 2 picks of each round after that.

Well you go look at the 2010 draft....

Was it a great draft? Not one of the greatest of all time like 2001.

But it was a solid one. There were some ok players after pick 20.

Gold coast had 9 of the 1st round picks. Got talented blokes like Swallow and Bennell. Half of those 8 or 9 first round picks Gold coast used were not good.

West coast nailed their picks.

Pick 4 was Gaff. They then got Lycett and darling with the 2nd rounders and McGovern on the Rookie list.

Look at the 2011 draft that was dominated by GWS. They had the 1st 5 picks.

Yet guys like Brad Hill, Joel Hamling, Elliot Yeo and Shane Kersten and Lachie Neale and came Sutcliffe were serviceable players after pick 20

They shouldn’t even be talking about the draft as a way to build the initial team.

It will be GWS and Gold Coast all over again if they go down that path.

The initial concessions to GWS are arguably still impacting the draft, as they trade players out who they either brought in initially, or brought in with picks that they traded out old players for who they got initially.

If they really want Tasmania not to be easy beats and not just a training academy for Victorian clubs, they need to do an expansion draft. It's the fairest way for the rest of the competition and would make Tasmania immediately competitive.

 

[Freomaniac]

They shouldn’t even be talking about the draft as a way to build the initial team.

It will be GWS and Gold Coast all over again if they go down that path.

The initial concessions to GWS are arguably still impacting the draft, as they trade players out who they either brought in initially, or brought in with picks that they traded out old players for who they got initially.

If they really want Tasmania not to be easy beats and not just a training academy for Victorian clubs, they need to do an expansion draft. It's the fairest way for the rest of the competition and would make Tasmania immediately competitive.

I don't think an expansion draft is needed.

And this isn't just Tassie coming in, but eventually the 20th AFL side too.

Because once the draft becomes normal after the Tassie an 20th side comes in, each round is 20 picks.

So even if there's only 5 rounds used , that's still 100 draft picks. But because there's 7 rounds, that's a maximum of 140 picks used