Howat or Hyde

[Bojangles17]

this time of year where some tough decisions need to be made on the list. There will be a couple of fellas that will be lucky to remain just to add depth whilst they play for virtual peanuts. Here is a great example of two players at similar levels. Perhaps Hyde is ahead silghtly. Who would we take, does Howat have any upside. I worry about his contested work, reads the play well and can run into space . Fow mine needs to add a trick or two if he is to remain. Id give Howat the nod at this point, yough on Hydey however he's maxed out and when you come bottom we need momentum with a stack of players that have a stack of improvem,ent left in the tank

 

[jockey-sized midfielder]

this time of year where some tough decisions need to be made on the list. There will be a couple of fellas that will be lucky to remain just to add depth whilst they play for virtual peanuts. Here is a great example of two players at similar levels. Perhaps Hyde is ahead silghtly. Who would we take, does Howat have any upside. I worry about his contested work, reads the play well and can run into space . Fow mine needs to add a trick or two if he is to remain. Id give Howat the nod at this point, yough on Hydey however he's maxed out and when you come bottom we need momentum with a stack of players that have a stack of improvem,ent left in the tank

Hyde hands down...Howat continously turns over the footy with poor disposel and decision making. There in the same boat goal kicking-wise but you have to go Hydey

 

[duckboy]

Hyde's contracted for next year and will be here. Howat is a 2nd year rookie and has to be elevated or de-listed. I think Howat's probably gone.

 

[Paddles]

Why do we have to choose? Get rid of both of them. Hyde's had enough chances and Howat hasn't shown much.

 

[CoggaRules]

Why do we have to choose? Get rid of both of them. Hyde's had enough chances and Howat hasn't shown much.

Howat has been in the system for 3 minutes compared to Hyde.

 

[deliberate!!]

Howat has been in the system for 3 minutes compared to Hyde.

Yeh, but Howat's all body...no legs.
What's my point?

 

[tigerdan]

I don't think Howat is gonna cut it. Hyde on the other hand had a bad year. Or more to the point, I have seen Hyde play some good games. I have yet to see Howat play as good as Hyde.

 

[CoggaRules]

I don't think Howat is gonna cut it. Hyde on the other hand had a bad year. Or more to the point, I have seen Hyde play some good games. I have yet to see Howat play as good as Hyde.

well, it might just be that Hyde has had 5 more years to show those "some good games", in amongst the "alot of shit ones".

 

[tigerdan]

well, it might just be that Hyde has had 5 more years to show those "some good games", in amongst the "alot of shit ones".

Hi Cogga, well I know you are not a fan of Hyde, and yes, Howat hasn't had as much of a chance. I may be wrong but I see little upside to Howat. I think Hyde will scrape by - or maybe he's contracted like someone said in which case we should be comparing different players.

 

[roostertalk]

well, it might just be that Hyde has had 5 more years to show those "some good games", in amongst the "alot of shit ones".

You've never been a fan of hyde cogga, I remember you hosing down the "can chris hyde become elite threads". Turns out you were on the money in regard to that but i think you have to find room for him in the 22.

Like it or not there are two blokes on the list who apply the amount of forward pressure required to be a successful team. Krak and Hyde, Hyde is clearly ahead and has un under rated ability to carry the ball somehow without being tackled. Field kicking is questionable but anywhere within a sniff of the goals id back him most times. Until Edwards bulks up and can be the main crumbing forward, who pinch hits on the ball i think Hydey has to stay. Howat's are dime a dozen, no special attributes to his game.

 

[Roger Dodger]

Cogga is right. Hyde is a dud. Brisbane got rid of him because they saw it early on yet RFC supporters continue to project some pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for this guy. He's timid on the field, has very little presence, has poor disposal (and that's just his preferred left side), he runs back into trouble all the bloody time, shows little intensity or support of the younger guys when there is a scrap and is generally an introvert in a team spilling over with them.

On Howat, I was initially a fan given that he is one of the few players who has shown he can finish on the run from outside 50 (remember the old days when Bowden could do that?). But yesterday he had an opportunity to take a game by the scruff and dominate and was pretty much a passenger.

Adios amigos.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Hyde hands down...Howat continously turns over the footy with poor disposel and decision making. There in the same boat goal kicking-wise but you have to go Hydey

Howat never turns the ball over. I think you have the wrong player

 

[Madtiger2006]

There's half a dozen players who should be condsidered before Hyde or Howat. How about Meyer, Krakouer, P Bowden, Hartigan, Moore and Jon for a start?

 

[roostertalk]

He's timid on the field, has very little presence, has poor disposal (and that's just his preferred left side), he runs back into trouble all the bloody time, shows little intensity or support of the younger guys when there is a scrap and is generally an introvert in a team spilling over with them.

Fair enough you don't rate him but don't get carried away.. he chases and tackles hard,Introverts although you don't want too many of them can still lift the team with actions. Give me an inspirational tackle from an introvert over an over the top goal celebration from an extrovert....Pettifer just embarrasses himself at times.

 

[Wally07]

Neither.

 

[jumpinjimmy]

Will either of these players be in our premiership side, if we are to have one anytime soon. IMO the answer is no.

 

[Tigerland]

Hi Cogga, well I know you are not a fan of Hyde, and yes, Howat hasn't had as much of a chance. I may be wrong but I see little upside to Howat. I think Hyde will scrape by - or maybe he's contracted like someone said in which case we should be comparing different players.

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I'd have to agree with you there. i don't think Howat is as bad as some say, and I do think he has lots of improvement.
Hyde looked great at times last year but just doesn't look quick enough for the type of role he fills. When I say quick I mean not just foot speed, but decision making and breaking tackles.
Hyde may stay if he's under contract (doubt he'd get any interest in trade week).
I guess the call on Howat will be as simple as - can we draft someone better? with pick 50+
I'd rather Hartigan gone before both of them - In his last game he had a chance to prove a point and didn't - instead did some stupid things that hurt the team - sayonora.

 

[zacaxel1975]

He's timid on the field, has very little presence, has poor disposal (and that's just his preferred left side), he runs back into trouble all the bloody time, shows little intensity or support of the younger guys when there is a scrap and is generally an introvert in a team spilling over with them.

I was checking out youtube today and saw two pretty nasty hits Hyde took in 2005.
Fractured skull in head clash with McGuire from the Saints, cant remember who the other person was that cleaned him up - but it was a beauty. Edit - Brett Burton
I thought he was a pretty couragous player who regularly put his head over the ball before these hits.
Maybe he has lost his confidence, and maybe he wont ever get it back because he has not been much chop the last two years.
If he has lost "it" upstairs, its not something another pre-season can necessarily help him get back.

Fair enough if his time is up - but i think there are others to be looked at first.


If Howat was bottom age i would persevere. He can find the footy.
Because he is getting on its probably time to go. He doesnt use the footy very well IMHO.

But hey, bad skills wouldnt have stopped him getting a game for the last 20 years Hope things have changed

 

[guruisatiger]

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I'd have to agree with you there. i don't think Howat is as bad as some say, and I do think he has lots of improvement.
Hyde looked great at times last year but just doesn't look quick enough for the type of role he fills. When I say quick I mean not just foot speed, but decision making and breaking tackles.
Hyde may stay if he's under contract (doubt he'd get any interest in trade week).
I guess the call on Howat will be as simple as - can we draft someone better? with pick 50+
I'd rather Hartigan gone before both of them - In his last game he had a chance to prove a point and didn't - instead did some stupid things that hurt the team - sayonora.

see you later chris and cam both gone

 

[Drunken Wookie]

saying howat 'finds the ball' is a little misleading, it's more he runs off his opponent to stand by himself on the wing and collects it off half back. his runs down the wing look nice and all but it all comes undone when his kick n' hope passes come flying back past him and his direct opponent sets up a goal down the other end.
hyde at times looks like he's going to come good and be a real asset but just as quickly goes missing for ages having no impact at all on the game. removing either or both of them really won't effect us much at all going forward imo.

 

[emperor]

Yeh, but Howat's all body...no legs.
What's my point?

your point is...two duds don't make a right

 

[Heisenberg_]

There's half a dozen players who should be condsidered before Hyde or Howat. How about Meyer, Krakouer, P Bowden, Hartigan, Moore and Jon for a start?

The day that Howat or Hyde deserves a spot on our list before JON is the day that I lose all faith in our footy department.
He has talent and improvement, they don't

 

[IDGAF]

Moot point from what i am hearing ...

My mail is Hyde has never been the same since that sickening head clash with goose Mc Guire a couple of years back and is gone ... will probably retire

 

[Heisenberg_]

Moot point from what i am hearing ...

My mail is Hyde has never been the same since that sickening head clash with goose Mc Guire a couple of years back and is gone ... will probably retire

he used to be pretty hard at the ball, but ever since, well hasn't gone in like an AFL player should be.
Whats the other blokes excuse...

 

[astro_toby]

i'd choose hyde over howat