Poo Mega Thread How's Justin Longmanure working out for you Failmantle (Part 2) 2023 Edition

[WA ROO]

Personally I don’t mind JL and I reckon the players love him

He has taken the club as far as he going to get them
Was out coached against Brisbane and Gold Coast
Didn’t have another game plan except for bomb it long to a pack
The rest of the AFL will have seen how it was done
He should be the first out the door before players start getting delisted

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

Disagree here cobber

We won 16 games this year which is normally top four

We definitely don’t do that without Jackson and Bolton

I am open to be convinced otherwise. But from what I was reading a pass mark at the start of the season was a finals win. As close as it was it didn't happen. Where do you draw the line?

Give him next year and if it isn't happening give him the flick mid-season?

I don't have the answers, just my wacky thoughts.

Freomaniac still keen on Hinkly?

Honestly, I really don't know. Just throwing options out there. We owe it to Dan, aka the Grumpy guy to keep his thread moving.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I am open to be convinced otherwise. But from what I was reading a pass mark at the start of the season was a finals win. As close as it was it didn't happen. Where do you draw the line?

Give him next year and if it isn't happening give him the flick mid-season?

I don't have the answers, just my wacky thoughts.

Freomaniac still keen on Hinkly?

Honestly, I really don't know. Just throwing options out there. We owe it to Dan, aka the Grumpy guy to keep his thread moving.

I am genuinely curious (non trolling) on the thoughts of the Pro Longmuir supporters here on what is an acceptable pass mark for J-Lo and Freo next season?

I think given a healthy run of injuries and suspensions that finishing top 4 and especially making a Prelim Final should be the standard required with the talent on your list.

Another season without even a finals win should be grounds to see Longmuir replaced (unless decimated without injuries) imo

I feel like the fact he is a favourite son/former great player for Freo does give Longmuir some leeway/slack in the eyes of some Dockers fans.

At some point, an acceptable performance parameter has to be set at the Freo Footy Club.

I honestly have no ill feeling or dislike to Longmuir as a person personally btw, he just reminds me a bit of Brett Ratten as Carlton coach, club legend/great whose decorated playing career masked his coaching inadequacies (although sacking him for a washed up money chasing Malthouse was truly idiotic)

I just think Freo's list can be capable of true greatness tbh

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

I am genuinely curious (non trolling) on the thoughts of the Pro Longmuir supporters here on what is an acceptable pass mark for J-Lo and Freo next season?

I thought at the start of the year the absolute MINIMUM was a finals win. Some have perhaps changed but I don't read the Freo bored much because it is just like any other club bored...

I think given a healthy run of injuries and suspensions that finishing top 4 and especially making a Prelim Final should be the standard required with the talent on your list.

Honestly, the list is a bit overrated. It is only a couple of decent players away but I don't think it is there yet. Yeah it's young but you can only use that excuse so many times.

Another season without even a finals win should be grounds to see Longmuir replaced (unless decimated without injuries) imo

Indeed, completely agree. It would be seven years, not everyone can do a Hardwick.

I feel like the fact he is a favourite son/former great player for Freo does give Longmuir some leeway/slack in the eyes of some Dockers fans.

Again, I agree. He has been cut extra slack, but not sure I'd be calling for his head yet.

At some point, an acceptable performance parameter has to be set at the Freo Footy Club.

They did set that flag by 2025 and look how that worked out. I always thought that was a stupid statement to make.

I honestly have no ill feeling or dislike to Longmuir as a person personally btw, he just reminds me a bit of Brett Ratten as Carlton coach, club legend/great whose decorated playing career masked his coaching inadequacies (although sacking him for a washed up money chasing Malthouse was truly idiotic)

I just think Freo's list can be capable of true greatness tbh

Again, the list isn't there yet, IMO. Lol, I am all over the place. I really don't know what to think.

If Freo had won this wouldn't even be a discussion.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I thought at the start of the year the absolute MINIMUM was a finals win. Some have perhaps changed but I don't read the Freo bored much because it is just like any other club bored...


Honestly, the list is a bit overrated. It is only a couple of decent players away but I don't think it is there yet. Yeah it's young but you can only use that excuse so many times.



Indeed, completely agree. It would be seven years, not everyone can do a Hardwick.

Again, I agree. He has been cut extra slack, but not sure I'd be calling for his head yet.

They did set that flag by 2025 and look how that worked out. I always thought that was a stupid statement to make.

Again, the list isn't there yet, IMO. Lol, I am all over the place. I really don't know what to think.

If Freo had won this wouldn't even be a discussion.

I like Alex Pearce but I would be giving the captaincy to Serong next year, who is a bull and more than ready to lead.

I also think you are big light on down back for quality defenders, although granted nowhere near as bad as The Bulldogs.

Getting a sports psychologist/fowards coach to help Jye Amiss over summer couldn't hurt either.

He is a wonderful talent, but i feel like he is struggling with his set shot routine and confidence, this definitely is not on Lonfmuir imo, but if he can get back to the form he showed 12 months ago, and the rapid improvement of Voss and Treacy, Freo are good to go in KPP stocks.

I genuinely think you are only 2 or so best 22 players away from being Premiers, all things being equal

Re-signing Erasmus is a good sign, will probably never be a star/elite player but a very solid and reliable trencherman type of player that every good teams has.

For some reason, your reserved response (aka being all over the place, not knowing what to think) is maybe a preconditioned response to many years/decades of disappointment and let down being a Freo Supporter, and maybe you are too cynical/jaded to dare to dream and believe your team actually is potentially good enough to win the flag, and your scepticism is perhaps a defensive/protective mechanism from being hurt/let down again

It's okay to dare to dream, believe in a flag. Hopefully the players and Longmuir think the same

Definitely think getting that finals win bogey off your back is going to help Freo and its players and Longmuir so so much going fowards

 

[Bont2Bruce]

if it helps you cope, tell yourself any lie you want

I and Eagle supporters will never sink to freo levels of celebrating injuries and deaths of past champions though

 

[springvale_mackers]

I am genuinely curious (non trolling) on the thoughts of the Pro Longmuir supporters here on what is an acceptable pass mark for J-Lo and Freo next season?

I think given a healthy run of injuries and suspensions that finishing top 4 and especially making a Prelim Final should be the standard required with the talent on your list.

Another season without even a finals win should be grounds to see Longmuir replaced (unless decimated without injuries) imo

I feel like the fact he is a favourite son/former great player for Freo does give Longmuir some leeway/slack in the eyes of some Dockers fans.

At some point, an acceptable performance parameter has to be set at the Freo Footy Club.

I honestly have no ill feeling or dislike to Longmuir as a person personally btw, he just reminds me a bit of Brett Ratten as Carlton coach, club legend/great whose decorated playing career masked his coaching inadequacies (although sacking him for a washed up money chasing Malthouse was truly idiotic)

I just think Freo's list can be capable of true greatness tbh

You’re either a master troll or you are smoking DMT and genuinely have absolutely zero idea about football.
Everyday I am amazed at shit you come up with.

 

[Freomaniac]

I am genuinely curious (non trolling) on the thoughts of the Pro Longmuir supporters here on what is an acceptable pass mark for J-Lo and Freo next season?

I think given a healthy run of injuries and suspensions that finishing top 4 and especially making a Prelim Final should be the standard required with the talent on your list.

Another season without even a finals win should be grounds to see Longmuir replaced (unless decimated without injuries) imo

I feel like the fact he is a favourite son/former great player for Freo does give Longmuir some leeway/slack in the eyes of some Dockers fans.

At some point, an acceptable performance parameter has to be set at the Freo Footy Club.

I honestly have no ill feeling or dislike to Longmuir as a person personally btw, he just reminds me a bit of Brett Ratten as Carlton coach, club legend/great whose decorated playing career masked his coaching inadequacies (although sacking him for a washed up money chasing Malthouse was truly idiotic)

I just think Freo's list can be capable of true greatness tbh

Despite being bay 13, I don't mind you as a poster Elmer.

But to answer your 1st question, what's the acceptable pass mark for Justin Longmuir next season?

Same thing as this season. Elim final loss at a bare minimum or 8th spot.

Winning the Elim final this year for me vs the suns this year would of been a bonus.

This season was a weird season though. I am happy to make finals in 2025 after last season's late collapse (no disrespect to you Elmer or Carlton , in my opinion, dockers did deserve 8th spot in 2024 over Carlton).

I didn't think Freo would of done anything in last year's finals series. But making back to back finals means a lot to me.

Your also saying making a prelim final should be a minimum next season. It's hard for any side, even a non Vic side to win a flag or even make top 4.

I can accept in 2026 another 5th placed spot like Fremantle in 2022 or Carlton in 2023 and get a finals win or 2.

I am focusing long term on here.

If dockers get 5th to 8th next season and get an Elim finals win, that would give some credits in the bank.

 

[WA ROO]

But to answer your 1st question, what's the acceptable pass mark for Justin Longmuir next season?

To have his office and desk cleaned out for the new coach
This should have happened already

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Despite being bay 13, I don't mind you as a poster Elmer.

But to answer your 1st question, what's the acceptable pass mark for Justin Longmuir next season?

Same thing as this season. Elim final loss at a bare minimum or 8th spot.

Winning the Elim final this year for me vs the suns this year would of been a bonus.

This season was a weird season though. I am happy to make finals in 2025 after last season's late collapse (no disrespect to you Elmer or Carlton , in my opinion, dockers did deserve 8th spot in 2024 over Carlton).

I didn't think Freo would of done anything in last year's finals series. But making back to back finals means a lot to me.

Your also saying making a prelim final should be a minimum next season. It's hard for any side, even a non Vic side to win a flag or even make top 4.

I can accept in 2026 another 5th placed spot like Fremantle in 2022 or Carlton in 2023 and get a finals win or 2.

I am focusing long term on here.

If dockers get 5th to 8th next season and get an Elim finals win, that would give some credits in the bank.

Fair enough, although I do honestly think Freo have an Window of opportunity you have never had before with West Coast being in such a diabolical state aka all the big name go home WA stars have returned to Freo rather than the Eagles in recent years aka Jackson and Bolton, and it took a massive, potentially list and salary cap damaging move by Melbourne to retain Kozi Pickett whom from all reports wanted to go play for Freo

I think you had issues with player retention previously, but that seems to have hopefully settled now (Serong looks like being a Docker champion for life, should be captain next year)

I agree Freo eserved to play finals in 2024 over Carlton, especially after our piss weak capitulation to St Kilda in the final round.

 

[JoseMourinho]

Fremantle should be drafting big bodied mid, a backman to develop (maybe Pearce type) and yeah, that is potentially it. A lot of dockers will be leaving to play elsewhere though which sucks.

 

[Freomaniac]

To have his office and desk cleaned out for the new coach
This should have happened already

I would of said this back this time last season . He got us to finals. Stupid to sack him now.

Also change your username

 

[WA ROO]

I would of said this back this time last season . He got us to finals. Stupid to sack him now.

Also change your username

Freo have gone as far as they can under Longmuir

Why do I have to change my user name?

 

[Freomaniac]

Freo have gone as far as they can under Longmuir

Why do I have to change my user name?

I disagree. I think Freo can go slightly better... Maybe a finals run like North Melbourne of 2014 to 2016.

Well you are called WA roo. Yet you are a suns fan. Not a strange idea to change your username?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I disagree. I think Freo can go slightly better... Maybe a finals run like North Melbourne of 2014 to 2016.

Well you are called WA roo. Yet you are a suns fan. Not a strange idea to change your username?

Freo's age bracket and ceiling is a lot higher than those Norf battlers in the timeframe you mentioned.

The good news is your team under Longmuir have proven they can beat the best teams on the road aka Collingwood and Geelong on the past few years.

I find myself a bit more perplexed by your struggles at Optus Stadium tbh.

You should be aiming to win just about every home game at Optus, you dropped a couple this year needlessly which is what ultimately cost you a top 4 spot and a decent finals run.

That needs to be a focus for Freo and Longmuir over the pre season imo

 

[WA ROO]

Well you are called WA roo. Yet you are a suns fan. Not a strange idea to change your username?

You must be new here

 

[JoseMourinho]

I find myself a bit more perplexed by your struggles at Optus Stadium tbh

SO AM I.

 

[Madas]

Fremantle should be drafting big bodied mid, a backman to develop (maybe Pearce type) and yeah, that is potentially it. A lot of dockers will be leaving to play elsewhere though which sucks.

Who’s leaving that will actually be missed ?

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

Who’s leaving that will actually be missed ?

I haven't heard of anyone who is leaving. Someone fill me in...

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I haven't heard of anyone who is leaving. Someone fill me in...

No one who is a best 22 player for Freo is actually leaving.

Doesn't sound like you will have a big trade period from all reports, seems like you are backing internal growth from within, which is a safe but solid strategy.

David Walls does a great job scouting Vic based talent for you guys.

 

[Freomaniac]

Freo's age bracket and ceiling is a lot higher than those Norf battlers in the timeframe you mentioned.

The good news is your team under Longmuir have proven they can beat the best teams on the road aka Collingwood and Geelong on the past few years.

I find myself a bit more perplexed by your struggles at Optus Stadium tbh.

You should be aiming to win just about every home game at Optus, you dropped a couple this year needlessly which is what ultimately cost you a top 4 spot and a decent finals run.

That needs to be a focus for Freo and Longmuir over the pre season imo

Dockers 2022 to 2025 period scarily reminds me of 2003 to 2006 when Chris Connolly was coach.

Dockers made finals in 2003. Lost to Essendon in Perth. Essendon would win one more final the next season in 2004. They haven't won a final since.

We then narrowly misses out on finals in 2004-5. Made a prelim in 2006. We miss out on finals in 2007 and Chris Connolly was sacked. But my the end of 2007 we had an ageing squad and had to rebuild.

But this current playing list. Yes it is young. But I wished this squad made finals every year from 2022 to 2025.

I mean when we made finals in 2022, we lost 4 games at home. Saints in round 2 was a shocker but that gave us the kick up the bum we needed and it triggered a 6 game winning streak.

No shame losing to the other 3 sides at home, they all made top 4. They were demons, Magpies and swans.

I wish it was like the old days of 1995 to 2010 when it was 16 sides.

12 wins was enough to make finals. 8 to 10 wins at home them 2 to 4 away wins vs bottom 6 sides.

I can tolerate another 5th to 8th spot next season.

14 wins.... So 9 or 10 wins at the home state them 3 or 4 away wins vs bottom 6 sides.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Dockers 2022 to 2025 period scarily reminds me of 2003 to 2006 when Chris Connolly was coach.

Dockers made finals in 2003. Lost to Essendon in Perth. Essendon would win one more final the next season in 2004. They haven't won a final since.

We then narrowly misses out on finals in 2004-5. Made a prelim in 2006. We miss out on finals in 2007 and Chris Connolly was sacked. But my the end of 2007 we had an ageing squad and had to rebuild.

But this current playing list. Yes it is young. But I wished this squad made finals every year from 2022 to 2025.

I mean when we made finals in 2022, we lost 4 games at home. Saints in round 2 was a shocker but that gave us the kick up the bum we needed and it triggered a 6 game winning streak.

No shame losing to the other 3 sides at home, they all made top 4. They were demons, Magpies and swans.

I wish it was like the old days of 1995 to 2010 when it was 16 sides.

12 wins was enough to make finals. 8 to 10 wins at home them 2 to 4 away wins vs bottom 6 sides.

I can tolerate another 5th to 8th spot next season.

14 wins.... So 9 or 10 wins at the home state them 3 or 4 away wins vs bottom 6 sides.

I want to see a more ruthless/aggressive Freo next season, like put the crappier/lower rung teams to the sword

Your percentage is what cost you a top 4 spot last season, you need to start beating up and bullying teams like Norf, Eagles, Tigers, * etc

I feel like Longmuir and his gameplan at times becomes too conservative and ultra safe, The Dockers have been pushed around too much in this league.

I want Freo in 2026 to play really with a chip on the shoulder, really pisssd off. Be bold, daring and aggressive.

You would be amazed how far Freo can go with a bit more healthy aggression and shackles released imho.

 

[Freomaniac]

I want to see a more ruthless/aggressive Freo next season, like put the crappier/lower rung teams to the sword

Your percentage is what cost you a top 4 spot last season, you need to start beating up and bullying teams like Norf, Eagles, Tigers, * etc

I feel like Longmuir and his gameplan at times becomes too conservative and ultra safe, The Dockers have been pushed around too much in this league.

I want Freo in 2026 to play really with a chip on the shoulder, really pisssd off. Be bold, daring and aggressive.

You would be amazed how far Freo can go with a bit more healthy aggression and shackles released imho.

I do agree with most of your post....

Justin Longmuir sort of looks like a cheaper version of Ross Lyon.

I agree Justin Longmuir and his game plan is too conservative or restrictive. He seems to take the safe option and is afraid of taking risks unless he Is forced to.

I also agree that percentage is what will cost my team top 4 this season and last season.

No disrespect to Kangaroos and saints. We beat both of them by 6 points each when both of those sides should of been beaten by 20 to 30 points each.

I think this 2024-2027 under Justin Longmuir will be like 2009 to 2011 under Brett Ratten when he is at Carlton. Gonna tolerate having 3 Elim finals in a row.

As for who I want to replace Justin Longmuir....

I have 3 established coaches in mind. Ken Hinkley, John Longmire and Adam Simpson.

All 3 are experienced coaches. All 3 have won finals. All 3 would get the best out of this squad. No Doubt all 3 play attacking football.

We all take the piss out of Ken Hinkley. But to be honest Ken Hinkley would win finals with this current dockers side

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I do agree with most of your post....

Justin Longmuir sort of looks like a cheaper version of Ross Lyon.

I agree Justin Longmuir and his game plan is too conservative or restrictive. He seems to take the safe option and is afraid of taking risks unless he Is forced to.

I also agree that percentage is what will cost my team top 4 this season and last season.

No disrespect to Kangaroos and saints. We beat both of them by 6 points each when both of those sides should of been beaten by 20 to 30 points each.

I think this 2024-2027 under Justin Longmuir will be like 2009 to 2011 under Brett Ratten when he is at Carlton. Gonna tolerate having 3 Elim finals in a row.

As for who I want to replace Justin Longmuir....

I have 3 established coaches in mind. Ken Hinkley, John Longmire and Adam Simpson.

All 3 are experienced coaches. All 3 have won finals. All 3 would get the best out of this squad. No Doubt all 3 play attacking football.

We all take the piss out of Ken Hinkley. But to be honest Ken Hinkley would win finals with this current dockers side

Apparently Ken Hinkley is taking an senior Assistants role at Carlton according to some Blues ITKs.

I think Simpson is cooked. Longmire probably your best bet if you need an established coach (i think Buckley will take the Melbourne Job)

I got no idea of the politics at The Fremantle Footy Club but I would guess Longmuir would have to win a final (minimum) for him to be kept on for 2027 (unless you have a season from hell with injuries)

I would assume Longmuir knows this too.

Freo definitely will be a team i will be keeping a close eye on in 2026.

Really hope Longmuir can prove me wrong. You long suffering Dockers fans deserve some finals success and joy.

 

[Freomaniac]

Apparently Ken Hinkley is taking an senior Assistants role at Carlton according to some Blues ITKs.

I think Simpson is cooked. Longmire probably your best bet if you need an established coach (i think Buckley will take the Melbourne Job)

I got no idea of the politics at The Fremantle Footy Club but I would guess Longmuir would have to win a final (minimum) for him to be kept on for 2027 (unless you have a season from hell with injuries)

I would assume Longmuir knows this too.

Freo definitely will be a team i will be keeping a close eye on in 2026.

Really hope Longmuir can prove me wrong. You long suffering Dockers fans deserve some finals success and joy.

I don't think Adam Simpson is cooked.

Sometimes when a coach spends 6 to 10 seasons at one club, maybe a year off could freshen things up.

Adam Simpson could do a similar finals run like Ross Lyon did at Freo from 2012-15.

Simpson could get us to top 6 easily and maybe make 2 or 3 preliminary finals in a row.


I just think Justin Longmuir will stay here for now.

Finals in 2026-2028. Just Elim finals then drops off in 2029 and we get a new coach.


I got laughed on the main board for this. I can see Carlton win the flag in a similar way demons won the flag In 2021