Strategy Hypothetical Pick Trade Thread

[PMBangers]

For discussion around possible Pick swaps heading into, or during, the draft

What is/ isn't fair, which picks are going to be the hottest property, the players that'll be in every clubs sights on night 2, etc.!

 

[Claythesmiths]

Ess Pick 4 and 22

WBD pick 11, F1 and F1(Tied Brisbane)

Not possible at this stage, as we don’t have an F3, and therefore can’t trade out of the first round entirely.

I don’t know why we’d be trading up to 4 but if that was a priority I think something like this would be fairer:

4, 22, EssF2, EssF3
11, 39, WBF1, BLF1

I still think it’s massive overs.

 

[longlivelenny]

If I were the Saints and both phillipou and McKenzie were still on the board at our pick I would definately be trying to get Carlton's pick and get them both in the door. Future first one of our second rounders.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that. Give me two top draftees this year and get some development in. Hope that Carlton likes the look of next year's draft better.

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[Mostyn]

The Crows have cleared a couple of spots on their list, which means they must have a couple of players they're interested in trading back in for.

I imagine they'd put on the table -

• F1 pick swap and NM F2
• NM F2 and Adel F2
• F3

They wouldn't trade completely out of 2023 1st Round, but they'd maybe move back and add a second for the right pick - though it feels very player dependent. One thing I have heard is that there's only a small handful of players they think are great prospects - most have too many marks against them.

 

[eth-dog]

The Crows have cleared a couple of spots on their list, which means they must have a couple of players they're interested in trading back in for.

I imagine they'd put on the table -

• F1 pick swap and NM F2
• NM F2 and Adel F2
• F3

They wouldn't trade completely out of 2023 1st Round, but they'd maybe move back and add a second for the right pick - though it feels very player dependent. One thing I have heard is that there's only a small handful of players they think are great prospects - most have too many marks against them.

Feel like Adelaide F2 and a 2022 3rd could get 22.

 

[perplexed]

Feel like Adelaide F2 and a 2022 3rd could get 22.

It looks fair but would be rather odd from Adelaide after they traded out 23 for our F2 and 59.

 

[eth-dog]

It looks fair but would be rather odd from Adelaide after they traded out 23 for our F2 and 59.

Agreed, but if they were looking to get back into the second round that would be an option

 

[Two Planks]

With next years draft seemingly rated higher by most, would North do any of these trades.

Pick 3 to Essendon for 22 and future 1st

Pick 3 to Hawthorn for future 1st

Pick 3 to GWS for 15 and future 1st

 

[perplexed]

With next years draft seemingly rated higher by most, would North do any of these trades.

Pick 3 to Essendon for 22 and future 1st

Pick 3 to Hawthorn for future 1st

Pick 3 to GWS for 15 and future 1st

I doubt it. As pleasurable as a Hawthorn or Essendon death ride could be, I think we just take Sheezel and Wardlaw.

 

[Taylor]

Adelaide F1 and #24 for Carlton's pick #11 and F2

Adelaide pick up Phillipou

 

[Keystone agony]

Not possible at this stage, as we don’t have an F3, and therefore can’t trade out of the first round entirely.

I don’t know why we’d be trading up to 4 but if that was a priority I think something like this would be fairer:

4, 22, EssF2, EssF3
11, 39, WBF1, BLF1

I still think it’s massive overs.

Its based around the premise that the dogs would be hugely keen on someone ie Humphry, Tsatas that may not be available at 11

And with that overs is always required

 

[hawkinoz]

With next years draft seemingly rated higher by most, would North do any of these trades.

Pick 3 to Essendon for 22 and future 1st

Pick 3 to Hawthorn for future 1st

Pick 3 to GWS for 15 and future 1st

LMAO.. no one likely to be in bottom 6 is trading their F1. If they have a bad 2023 season then the lure of Harley Reid atleast exists.

Can only see swap of F1s at best in any F1 deals. And then we can deathride another team.

 

[Jeremias]

10 & future 2nd to GWS for 15 & 18 (or 19 if they wanted to play hard ball)

Think it usually costs more than that to move up in the first round. A future 3rd rather than a future 2nd would be more likely.

Adelaide F1 and #24 for Carlton's pick #11 and F2

Adelaide pick up Phillipou

We're looking to add to our draft hand prior to our 2nd, not slide our 1st back to get a stronger hand next year.

 

[Taylor]

Think it usually costs more than that to move up in the first round. A future 3rd rather than a future 2nd would be more likely.



We're looking to add to our draft hand prior to our 2nd, not slide our 1st back to get a stronger hand next year.

A top five pick next year and an early second pick this year is worth more than a pick outside the top ten this year and a pick in the 30s next season.

#5 and #24 for #11 and #36 is a better deal for Carlton.

 

[Keystone agony]

If saints are big fans of Mckenzie as the hawk fans are suggesting then they sit in the perfect position right now at pick 9

A clear top 8 + Mckenzie. Theyre guaranteed one

 

[Jeremias]

A top five pick next year and an early second pick this year is worth more than a pick outside the top ten this year and a pick in the 30s next season.

#5 and #24 for #11 and #36 is a better deal for Carlton.

Whether it's worth more is hardly the point.

Carlton has been pretty transparent with what they're looking to do, I wouldn't expect them to deviate from that plan.

 

[hawkinoz]

If saints are big fans of Mckenzie as the hawk fans are suggesting then they sit in the perfect position right now at pick 9

A clear top 8 + Mckenzie. Theyre guaranteed one

No point sitting at 9 when Hawks are picking Mackenzie at 6. If they are a big fan, then they pay Hawks some price to move to 9.

 

[Keystone agony]

No point sitting at 9 when Hawks are picking Mackenzie at 6. If they are a big fan, then they pay Hawks some price to move to 9.

Depends there seems to be a clear top 8 and Mckenzie isnt apart of that

So they get 1 of the 9 in there position either way

Subsquently if hawks are so keen on Mckenzie why are they moving to a position where they know they wont get him?

Theyre only moving up in this case if they think Mckenzie is that much better than what they have to give up to move to 6 over whats left at 9 likely a Phillipou, Humphrey, Tsatas

 

[hawkinoz]

Depends there seems to be a clear top 8 and Mckenzie isnt apart of that

So they get 1 of the 9 in there position either way

Subsquently if hawks are so keen on Mckenzie why are they moving to a position where they know they wont get him?

Theyre only moving up in this case if they think Mckenzie is that much better than what they have to give up to move to 6 over whats left at 9 likely a Phillipou, Humphrey, Tsatas

On this board, there are umpteen mock drafts, they all seem to have mackenzie going to Hawks. So he is clearly in teh top 7.

for ex:

Cal Twomey has that, ESPN has that and even here

 

[Jeremias]

On this board, there are umpteen mock drafts, they all seem to have mackenzie going to Hawks. So he is clearly in teh top 7.

for ex:

Cal Twomey has that, ESPN has that and even here

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I wouldn't be using any BF mock drafts or games as conclusive evidence that a particular player is definitively rated at a specific pick or in a specific range.

 

[hawkinoz]

I wouldn't be using any BF mock drafts or games as conclusive evidence that a particular player is definitively rated at a specific pick or in a specific range.

what would you use as evidence then when OP said Mackenzie is rated outside top 8?

 

[Mostyn]

Feel like Adelaide F2 and a 2022 3rd could get 22.

Nah, Adelaide isn't offering steak knives in that.

That 2023 early second is all you'd need for 22 in this year's draft.

 

[eth-dog]

Nah, Adelaide isn't offering steak knives in that.

That 2023 early second is all you'd need for 22 in this year's draft.

Then there wouldn't be a deal.

You traded a similar pick, for what will be a better future pick, plus steak knives.

 

[Mostyn]

Adelaide F1 and #24 for Carlton's pick #11 and F2

Adelaide pick up Phillipou

Absolutely zero chance.

Adelaide would have just given GCS their F1 if they wanted to do that - and they DIDN'T want to do that.

Phillipou isn't considered the equivalent to anyone in the top 12 to 15 next year.

Perhaps pick 11 and Carl F1 for Adel F1 and NM F2?

 

[Mostyn]

Then there wouldn't be a deal.

You traded a similar pick, for what will be a better future pick, plus steak knives.

Yeah, the Crows absolutely aced that deal.

It doesn't mean they're going to give up what they've gained to another club.

The market seems pretty clear about the low value of this year's draft and the higher value of next. Every trade needs to consider this.

 

[eth-dog]

Yeah, the Crows absolutely aced that deal.

It doesn't mean they're going to give up what they've gained to another club.

The market seems pretty clear about the low value of this year's draft and the higher value of next. Every trade needs to consider this.

I agree. However I was merely responding to the suggestion that you might trade into the second round this year