Ian Perrie, support needed

[jarmanagic]

I am getting sick of all the so called Crows fans bagging Perrie. We all know he has his limtations, but remember

he tries 100%

In 2005 he played an excellent year, 38 goals. He plays his best football working up the ground and therfore needs to be fit, recent injuries have made that more difficult.

Sunday if he had kicked the 2 goals in front (and he should have) his game would have been ok. We are thin on marking forwards and he should be supported, not bagged. His perfomance was far better than Scotty Welsh who looked awful on the weekend and is only in the team through injury. In fact unless Scotty can lift (hope he can, he is one of our few natural goalkickers) his AFL career will end when Roo returns

Suporting a team means support when things are going well and when they are not. Lay off Perrie

 

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I am getting sick of all the so called Crows fans bagging Perrie. We all know he has his limtations, but remember

he tries 100%

In 2005 he played an excellent year, 38 goals. He plays his best football working up the ground and therfore needs to be fit, recent injuries have made that more difficult.

Sunday if he had kicked the 2 goals in front (and he should have) his game would have been ok. We are thin on marking forwards and he should be supported, not bagged. His perfomance was far better than Scotty Welsh who looked awful on the weekend and is only in the team through injury. In fact unless Scotty can lift (hope he can, he is one of our few natural goalkickers) his AFL career will end when Roo returns

Suporting a team means support when things are going well and when they are not. Lay off Perrie

The problem with Welsh is that he is a forward pocket that through lack of options has had to play at out of position at full forward, the guy often has the best defender on him and when you are only really a pocket player you will struggle. I am not making allowances for him, but I have felt for years that Welsh has been required to play and perform out of position.

 

[brent-83]

I am getting sick of all the so called Crows fans bagging Perrie. We all know he has his limtations, but remember

he tries 100%

In 2005 he played an excellent year, 38 goals. He plays his best football working up the ground and therfore needs to be fit, recent injuries have made that more difficult.

Sunday if he had kicked the 2 goals in front (and he should have) his game would have been ok. We are thin on marking forwards and he should be supported, not bagged. His perfomance was far better than Scotty Welsh who looked awful on the weekend and is only in the team through injury. In fact unless Scotty can lift (hope he can, he is one of our few natural goalkickers) his AFL career will end when Roo returns

Suporting a team means support when things are going well and when they are not. Lay off Perrie

Just because you support a team doesn't mean that you can't look at player objectively. Blind support is plain stupid. There is no doubt he tries very hard, but jesus christ. Just because people are having a go at Perrie doesn't mean they aren't supporting their team. I am at every home game and a couple of interstate games every year cheering my heart out, but my view on Perrie remains the same.

If he had kicked the two goals on the weekend, his game would have still been riddled with errors and been passable at best. The main problem is the amount of games that, "would have been ok." 38 goals (I think it was actually 39) from your CHF should not be described as excellent, in all honesty it should be expected and STANDARD.

 

[Cap]

my only objection is that as a professional footballer you would thing after 10 years he would have improved his kicking

thats all

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

In 2005 he played an excellent year, 38 goals. He plays his best football working up the ground and therfore needs to be fit, recent injuries have made that more difficult.

Spot on. The sheer amount of ground he covered in that year made him a valuable player for us and was his major strength - it was difficult for some defenders to stay with him. Now that has been taken away and he needs to rely on clever body positioning, clean hands and accurate kicking - none of which are a strength.

The better players find ways to adapt their game so that they can still be consistently effective as the get older. I don't know if Perrie has the smarts to do this.

 

[Drummond]

I am getting sick of all the so called Crows fans bagging Perrie. We all know he has his limtations, but remember

he tries 100%

In 2005 he played an excellent year, 38 goals. He plays his best football working up the ground and therfore needs to be fit, recent injuries have made that more difficult.

Sunday if he had kicked the 2 goals in front (and he should have) his game would have been ok. We are thin on marking forwards and he should be supported, not bagged. His perfomance was far better than Scotty Welsh who looked awful on the weekend and is only in the team through injury. In fact unless Scotty can lift (hope he can, he is one of our few natural goalkickers) his AFL career will end when Roo returns

Suporting a team means support when things are going well and when they are not. Lay off Perrie

Sorry, that's not going to cut it.

I couldn’t give a stuff if they try 100% if they are dead set useless just as Perrie is.

 

[CarnCrows]

If Perrie converted his opportunities we wouldn't mind him at all. As a player, aside from his kicking, he gets the thumbs up from me for his work ethic and ability to create a contest and hence give our crumbers opportunities. He does drop the occasional mark but it's the goal kicking that has everyone seething the most.

Spot on.

 

[Crowked]

The title should read

Ian Perrie, skills needed.

cant catch, cant kick, what can he do?

Harsh is fair IMO, he's had a career of chances, and failed miserably.

I think the clubs efforts would be much better spent on the next generation.

 

[tribey]

Careful Crowked, Crow-Mo might require you to give evidence backing up your claim.

But that's just the thing.

Saying he's 'failed miserably' with the chances he's been given is simply untrue.

His 2005 was fantastic given the role he was playing. After that his 2006 was destroyed by injury and on Sunday he clearly wasn't matchfit or in any semblance of form to compete at AFL level. If McGregor, Hentschel and Roo were on deck he wouldn't have played.

We're judging him on preconceived notions that are either untrue, or are being applied unfairly.

 

[Southerntakeover]

But that's just the thing.

Saying he's 'failed miserably' with the chances he's been given is simply untrue.

His 2005 was fantastic given the role he was playing. After that his 2006 was destroyed by injury and on Sunday he clearly wasn't matchfit or in any semblance of form to compete at AFL level.

We're judging him on preconceived notions that are either untrue, or are being applied unfairly.

Great post.

Watch it DT, you keep this up and ill have to start respecting you

 

[Southerntakeover]

Careful Crowked, Crow-Mo might require you to give evidence backing up your claim.

Yeah i dont know why he keeps asking for you to support outrageous claims.







Oh wait, you keep making them.

 

[Drummond]

But that's just the thing.

Saying he's 'failed miserably' with the chances he's been given is simply untrue.

His 2005 was fantastic given the role he was playing. After that his 2006 was destroyed by injury and on Sunday he clearly wasn't matchfit or in any semblance of form to compete at AFL level. If McGregor, Hentschel and Roo were on deck he wouldn't have played.

We're judging him on preconceived notions that are either untrue, or are being applied unfairly.

Well, one good year in his career...

1998: 0.66 goals per game
99: 0
00: 1.28
01: 1.07
02: 0.54
03: 1.18
04: 0.80
05: 1.56
06: 0.87
07: 1

2005 the standout, everything else subpar.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Well, one good year in his career...

1998: 0.66 goals per game
99: 0
00: 1.28
01: 1.07
02: 0.54
03: 1.18
04: 0.80
05: 1.56
06: 0.87
07: 1

2005 the standout, everything else subpar.

Example A- how to use the wrong stats to back up an arguement.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

The problem with Welsh is that he is a forward pocket that through lack of options has had to play at out of position at full forward, the guy often has the best defender on him and when you are only really a pocket player you will struggle. I am not making allowances for him, but I have felt for years that Welsh has been required to play and perform out of position.

Spot on.

 

[CarnCrows]

Well, one good year in his career...

1998: 0.66 goals per game
99: 0
00: 1.28
01: 1.07
02: 0.54
03: 1.18
04: 0.80
05: 1.56
06: 0.87
07: 1

2005 the standout, everything else subpar.

Lets play with stats...

Matthew Robran

93 0.8
94 0
95 0.3
96 1
97 1.3
98 1.2
99 0.9
00 0.4
01 0.6

Av (minus 94) - 0.8125

Perrie Av (minus 99 & 07) - 0.995

So from this sample Perrie is better than Robran??? Stats

 

[Drummond]

Lets play with stats...

Matthew Robran

93 0.8
94 0
95 0.3
96 1
97 1.3
98 1.2
99 0.9
00 0.4
01 0.6

Av (minus 94) - 0.8125

Perrie Av (minus 99 & 07) - 0.995

So from this sample Perrie is better than Robran??? Stats

When have I ever said Robran was any good? Good one game, likely to go without a touch the next.

But let's keep in mind we had slightly better forwards during Robran’s time at the Crows. Jarman and Modra for example, who’s in Perrie’s way? Welsh?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Even blind freddy would agree that Sarge has his faults BUT, with the possible exception of Bock who will be needed to plug other gaps (preferably FF), Perrie is our best option for CHF in 2007.

He is not a matchwinner on his own (how many forwards have we had in our history that consistently were?) but he has proven before he can play a valuable role in a collectively successful forwardline.

2008 will hopefully be a different story but for now let's back him in.

 

[Ozzie]

When have I ever said Robran was any good? Good one game, likely to go without a touch the next.

But let's keep in mind we had slightly better forwards during Robran’s time at the Crows. Jarman and Modra for example, who’s in Perrie’s way? Welsh?

Perrie came to the Crows as a Defender and played most of his early days in the backlines. His only problem is he cannot kickgoals consistently. He has copped injuries at critical times as well. He was just making his mark in the game when he did his shoulder in. Then his knee. I like the way he competes when you have players with much more talent slacking off. Right now as someone said he is not match fit. Welsh is an enigma always has been.

 

[maccas_no1]

I am getting sick of all the so called Crows fans bagging Perrie. We all know he has his limtations, but remember

he tries 100%

In 2005 he played an excellent year, 38 goals. He plays his best football working up the ground and therfore needs to be fit, recent injuries have made that more difficult.

Sunday if he had kicked the 2 goals in front (and he should have) his game would have been ok. We are thin on marking forwards and he should be supported, not bagged. His perfomance was far better than Scotty Welsh who looked awful on the weekend and is only in the team through injury. In fact unless Scotty can lift (hope he can, he is one of our few natural goalkickers) his AFL career will end when Roo returns

Suporting a team means support when things are going well and when they are not. Lay off Perrie

Yeah righto, for a bloke that has been playing at AFL level for so long yet he cant hold a mark or kick goals from set shots

Maybe he should try knitting classes

 

[TheLeftFist8]

When have I ever said Robran was any good? Good one game, likely to go without a touch the next.

But let's keep in mind we had slightly better forwards during Robran’s time at the Crows. Jarman and Modra for example, who’s in Perrie’s way? Welsh?

I don't think it's as simple to say 'who is in Perrie's way'? For some players, having better players around them may actually bring them into the game, while yes, for others, being the major target benefits them.

 

[jumpman5]

give the bloke a break, he has had a terribly interrupted pre-season on the back of a year in which he played maybe 8 games......

i totally agree his kicking for goal was absolutely atrocious on sunday, but what else is new...even at his best he is 50/50.

the fact is when fit, SARGE's role as a strong, robust lead up forward is crucial to our game plan.

he is seriously underdone at the moment. he was only ever picked on the basis of terrible run of injury to our bigs and team structures...in a perfect world he would be finding fitness and FORM for North, however we do not have that luxury..

he needs to get some run in the legs and build on his confidence and hopefully some glimpses of his 2005 form aren't far OFF but until then get off his back...have faith in the SARGE.

 

[tribey]

Well, one good year in his career...

1998: 0.66 goals per game
99: 0
00: 1.28
01: 1.07
02: 0.54
03: 1.18
04: 0.80
05: 1.56
06: 0.87
07: 1

2005 the standout, everything else subpar.

But he's never been a goalscoring CHF in the ilk of Pavlich, Tredrea, Brown.

His most successful role has been as an old-fashioned packbusting hit-up workhorse much further up the ground, creating an avenue to goal and opportunities for others.

In 1997 Chris Grant - AA CHF and shouldabeen Brownlow Medal winner - only booted 37 goals in 23 games.

Completely different roles to a spearhead.

Criticise his goalkicking sure, but to criticise an overall lack of goals is far too simplistic.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

give the bloke a break, he has had a terribly interrupted pre-season on the back of a year in which he played maybe 8 games......

i totally agree his kicking for goal was absolutely atrocious on sunday, but what else is new...even at his best he is 50/50.

the fact is when fit, SARGE's role as a strong, robust lead up forward is crucial to our game plan.

he is seriously underdone at the moment. he was only ever picked on the basis of terrible run of injury to our bigs and team structures...in a perfect world he would be finding fitness and FORM for North, however we do not have that luxury..

he needs to get some run in the legs and build on his confidence and hopefully some glimpses of his 2005 form aren't far OFF but until then get off his back...have faith in the SARGE.

Gotta agree with this post. In a perfect world, Perrie wouldn't be back until he has match fitness and form but our injuries mean he is in a little early.

However, with regard to the goalkicking, i do recall in 05 that he had vastly improved his goalkicking, especially from set-shots (as compared to last week )...does anybody have the stats on his career conversion rate in comparison to our other forwards. I am guessing it is slightly worse but not by as much as you would expect after reading this and other Perrie threads.

Also, i know stats dont record dropped marks but what are his career marking stats like (total/contested). Again, i bet they aren't as shabby as we'd initially expect (though i grant you he is no superstar).

 

[Crow-mo]

Just because you support a team doesn't mean that you can't look at player objectively. Blind support is plain stupid. There is no doubt he tries very hard, but jesus christ. Just because people are having a go at Perrie doesn't mean they aren't supporting their team. I am at every home game and a couple of interstate games every year cheering my heart out, but my view on Perrie remains the same.

I object when people slag perrie off without actually looking at the evidence, and make it up to suit themselves.

If he had kicked the two goals on the weekend, his game would have still been riddled with errors and been passable at best. The main problem is the amount of games that, "would have been ok." 38 goals (I think it was actually 39) from your CHF should not be described as excellent, in all honesty it should be expected and STANDARD.

excuse me? you think 40 odd goals is standard from a CHF? playing the true CHF that is an excellent result result. 40 odd goals, top 10 in league in contested marking. 15 touches, 6 marks a game. that's a pretty good return from his last proper, fit season.

but you have already researched that, right?

 

[Crow-mo]

Sorry, that's not going to cut it.

I couldn’t give a stuff if they try 100% if they are dead set useless just as Perrie is.

well backed up opinion as always, oh bluebird of happiness