Important Dates - re trading- draft etc

[Lady Lawrence]

Exchange Period
Monday October 9 to 2pm Friday October 13, 2006

List Lodgement One
2pm Tuesday October 31, 2006. Maximum of 35 players, Rookie Promotions, Father/Son selections, Retained (second-year) Rookies

Draft Nominations Close
2pm Wednesday November 15

List Lodgement Two
2pm Friday November 17

Delisted Players Nominations Close
2pm Wednesday November 22

2006 NAB AFL Draft, held at Victory Room, Telstra Dome
10am Saturday November 25

Uncontracted Listed Players Nominations Close
2pm Tuesday November 28

List Lodgement Three and TPP Estimates; International Rookie Player Nominations
2pm Friday December 1

Delisted Player Nominations Close
2pm Friday December 8

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (Microsoft Live Meeting Technology)
10am Tuesday December 12

Nomination of Eligible Rookie Players (Brisbane Lions and Sydney)
10.15am Tuesday December 12

NAB AFL Rookie Draft (Microsoft Live Meeting Technology)
10.30am Tuesday December 12

 

[luthor]

Thanks LL

 

[Grimreepah]

Does anyone know why there are all these list lodgement dates? I would have thought you only need one date to say, alright, this is who we are keeping, this is who is going, now set aside this many picks for us in the draft and PSD.

What does list lodgement 2 tell us? Is this our last chance to delist players? And what is the difference between this at the delisted player nominations on the 22nd?

 

[*Danni*]

Does anyone know why there are all these list lodgement dates? I would have thought you only need one date to say, alright, this is who we are keeping, this is who is going, now set aside this many picks for us in the draft and PSD.

What does list lodgement 2 tell us? Is this our last chance to delist players? And what is the difference between this at the delisted player nominations on the 22nd?

Often list lodgement 2 doesn't change from one - What it does though (from my impression) is give some list management/Salary cap time, extra time to decide if you need to put someone on the veterans list if you haven't already, extra time to delist, extra time to elevate rookies etc. For most clubs 31 October cut off for list lodgement one sees the playing group still on annual leave and players recovering from surgery etc. Playing contracts run from 1 november one year to 31 October of the next (that is the AFL fiscal year) however it also gives time to settle those contracts that aren't finalised by 31 october.

Nommination closing for delisted players is the cut off date for delisted players to nominate for the draft.

 

[Vidman]

Does anyone know why there are all these list lodgement dates? I would have thought you only need one date to say, alright, this is who we are keeping, this is who is going, now set aside this many picks for us in the draft and PSD.

What does list lodgement 2 tell us? Is this our last chance to delist players? And what is the difference between this at the delisted player nominations on the 22nd?

I agree that it's a bit stupid. But I think this list lodgement is supposed to force clubs to clear space for the draft. Ie it forces players/agents/clubs to try and reach contracts before the draft. I guess they think if we have lots of uncontracted players we might not draft that many, this kinda forces us too.

 

[Grimreepah]

With Corrie gone, we have 34 players on the list. Can we still delist players, or is that it now?

And for the players that haven't come to terms on their contracts yet, when must this be completed by?

 

[*Danni*]

With Corrie gone, we have 34 players on the list. Can we still delist players, or is that it now?

And for the players that haven't come to terms on their contracts yet, when must this be completed by?

Basically the 3rd list lodgement date is the final cut off for everything. However the uncontracted listed players and delisted players nomination dates do come into play. Ideally you have it all settled as soon as possible. If not, then you have the leeway with the 2nd and 3rd lodgement dates. Bearing in mind that on the 3rd lodgement date you also have to submit TPP/Salary Cap estimates for the following season, so the earlier you are finalised the better.

We can still delist/retire/not renew contract for as many as we want, hell we could end up with 44 picks in the draft if necessary, but you would hope to god that doesn't happen.

 

[Grimreepah]

We can still delist/retire/not renew contract for as many as we want, hell we could end up with 44 picks in the draft if necessary, but you would hope to god that doesn't happen.

Well then I just don't see what the point is of having list lodgement 1 and 2. It's like saying 'hand your assignment in by the 17th, but you can also hand it in a week later if you feel like it'. There must be more to it.

 

[*Danni*]

Well then I just don't see what the point is of having list lodgement 1 and 2. It's like saying 'hand your assignment in by the 17th, but you can also hand it in a week later if you feel like it'. There must be more to it.

For 10 months of the year, regardless of injury status, form, personal issues, misconduct, whatever, the clubs hands are tied to the players on their lists. They incur a penalty of some sort or another if they are unable or unwilling to play a certain player. For this 2 month period they are given the grace to do what they can to manage their lists. Salary Cap/TPP, contracts and the like are very complicated - I swear it is easier to buy a house with your hands tied behind your back and no access to a conveyancing solicitor than it is to finalise an AFL playing contract.

Having 3 list lodgement dates benefits the clubs, but also those players that are negotiating contracts or thinking of nominating for drafts after being delisted etc. It gives time for each to weigh up their options, and in the case of clubs, good list management time to see who they've got and what they need and what their options are in relation to the national and pre-season draft.

Committing to one date only - even at the same time as the current 3rd list lodgement keeps everyone on the player and club sides in the dark with no second chances on either side.

 

[Grimreepah]

For 10 months of the year, regardless of injury status, form, personal issues, misconduct, whatever, the clubs hands are tied to the players on their lists. They incur a penalty of some sort or another if they are unable or unwilling to play a certain player. For this 2 month period they are given the grace to do what they can to manage their lists. Salary Cap/TPP, contracts and the like are very complicated - I swear it is easier to buy a house with your hands tied behind your back and no access to a conveyancing solicitor than it is to finalise an AFL playing contract.

Having 3 list lodgement dates benefits the clubs, but also those players that are negotiating contracts or thinking of nominating for drafts after being delisted etc. It gives time for each to weigh up their options, and in the case of clubs, good list management time to see who they've got and what they need and what their options are in relation to the national and pre-season draft.

Committing to one date only - even at the same time as the current 3rd list lodgement keeps everyone on the player and club sides in the dark with no second chances on either side.

I can see that it is good to sort out contracts and list management fairly early to give club and player as much chance to plan for the future as possible. But why do you need list lodgement dates to do that?

IIRC with list lodgement one, you needed to have 3 spots available to be able to use in the draft. Is there any point, as such, to list lodgement two other than just providing the AFL with an update on the club's list. If you have a 2pm deadline, there must be something that changes from that point on.

 

[*Danni*]

IIIRC with list lodgement one, you needed to have 3 spots available to be able to use in the draft. Is there any point, as such, to list lodgement two other than just providing the AFL with an update on the club's list. If you have a 2pm deadline, there must be something that changes from that point on.

It can change the number of picks you have in the draft, and the in the case of list lodgement 3, the difference between projected TPP discussed with the AFL in their annual visit each year which looks at that particular years TPP and issues you may face in the next years TPP.

It also allows time for negotiation for international rookies, the time to evaluate what you may or may not want from the outcome in this years draft camp, the time to evaluate players on your current list that have for example had off season surgery and their prognosis from that surgery. Your needs for any rule changes that may have been announced by the AFL, the ability to offer more dollars if a major sponsor comes on board and the AFL/AFLPA come to new agreement of the % increase as a change in the CBA. The changes that may be deemed necessary by new development/fitness/rehab staff that come on board or the implentation of new risk assessment or insurance issues.

Most of these things can not be implemented during the season proper. The post GF through to List lodgement 3 dates are the 'administrative period'. Yes things can be determined earlier, but for anything from/including ethical/contractual/physical ability reasons they can't be implimented till post season.

Grim I get where you are coming from and I'm probably not explaining to your satisfaction, and for that I'm sorry. I'm trying to explain from 'living it' rather than 'learning it' from the books.

 

[Grimreepah]

Grim I get where you are coming from and I'm probably not explaining to your satisfaction, and for that I'm sorry. I'm trying to explain from 'living it' rather than 'learning it' from the books.

I appreciate you trying to explain it to me, but I'm not getting it. I just don't see what difference it makes whether we delisted Corrie 2 weeks ago, 10 minutes before the 2pm deadline, 10 minutes after the deadline, or 5 days from now. In which case what is the point of the deadline?

If this was the final day that clubs could delist players, then that would make sense to me, because I can see it is in place so that players can give themselves enough time to work out and complete what is necessary to put themselves in the draft.

 

[Grimreepah]

Uncontracted Listed Players Nominations Close
2pm Tuesday November 28

Does this mean we'll find out what's happening with Notting, McGrath and Bushy?

 

[spoke4923]

Does this mean we'll find out what's happening with Notting, McGrath and Bushy?

Do we know what's happened or is happening to these guys now? I'll leave you to figure out the relevance of all these dates, Grim.

 

[Grimreepah]

Do we know what's happened or is happening to these guys now? I'll leave you to figure out the relevance of all these dates, Grim.

Yeah, cheers. Thanks for your help

 

[spoke4923]

List Lodgement Three and TPP Estimates; International Rookie Player Nominations
2pm Friday December 1

I know you love a challenge Grim. Anyone know where (if) we can see this list, which was deadlined earlier today?