Imposters??

[Roy Park Blues]

Long term Future

2007 was a year in which James Hird was terrific and was a big factor in each of your first 7 wins, and any other game he played. His last game represents what legends are made of. Other guys also had real good years too, Fletch and co too had brilliant moments.. But Hird then Davey got injured, Fletch got sorer each week and eventually your season went awry, the end result 12th Position.

Carlton yielded a further Pick 1, 3 and 20. This adds to the previous picks 1,1,2,4,9,17,19 in the last 4 years with many more young stars to build around. It will be interesting in the next 3-5 years where the Bombers and Blues will be. ..

Essendon needs to replenish via the draft and bottom out for a few years to rebuild. This could be a great thing for the club, where instead of making up the numbers in the 8, your team has the best chance to secure the best talent.
It puts you in a better position of strength in the long term.

Time will tell, if finishing last 3 out of 5 years brings better value than than respectable finishes each year. To get close to the teams of 95 and 2000, both teams need to rebuild and take the big hits to be better of in the future.

One could say that the sanctions imposed back in the 2002 netted a much greater reward in the long term for Carlton.
Look at the Hawks now..it worked for them...This is the first time in 6 seasons there playing finals and think over the next few years where they might be?????

 

[SOT4]

Essendon missed out on draft picks from 2000 you say, and yet essendon sits 6 games clear of carlton and their superstars. Any chance of a quick delete of this thread mods?

 

[Margim]

My intentions are that not to offend, but simply a view i would like to pose to the non Blinkered Dons fans that plot and plan their pick 6 that should secure a good mid..Maybe Palmer..

I sat there on Sat, inspired by the Bombers, seeing the magic of what Hird, Lucas and Lovett can do do when they turn it on..And yes, throughout the contest you had some winners and highlights..The ending fitting for two legends, immortilised in the game forever!!

But sadly it may grow much darker for the dons, the imposters of the AFL.
Essendon in 2002 -2004 were never going to win a premiership but were held high by their champions..their reward..Average draft picks.. In the few years that followed their demise began and their real plight was covered by the very stars that would soon retire or have There rewards, a pick 2 and couple of higher ones..all KPP - 2 should make it..

2007 was a year in which James Hird was a factor in each of your first 7 wins, so was Fletch and co.. Hird, Davey went and your season went awry, the end result 12th Position.

Carlton today yielded a further Pick 1, 3 and 20. This adds to the previous picks 1,1,2,4,9,17,19 in the last 4 years with many more young stars to build around. It will be interesting in the next 3-5 years where the Bombers and Blues will be..
My view is short term pain for Carlton will provide long term gain for the Old Dark Navy Blue in the years to come, The bombers have a aging list, 2 good KPP drafted in the last few drafts and a select few youngsters like Lovett, Davey? Hislop, Ryder, Stanton are only the so called 200 plus gamers most clubs would really go out for..

The next few years will be very rewarding for the Essendon faithful..Hopefully you can replenish via the draft that has so happily paid back Carlton over the last 3 years. While we see one team rise , we can only watch in wonder if the AFL takes away the priority picks in the coming years that have benifeted many clubs before. One could say that the sanctions imposed back in the 2002 netted a much greater reward in the long term for the old dark navy Blues!!

Greetings, troll. Go back under your bridge now.

 

[Roy Park Blues]

Essendon missed out on draft picks from 2000 you say, and yet essendon sits 6 games clear of carlton and their superstars. Any chance of a quick delete of this thread mods?

True, you team has been great over the last 4 years, with most of the best players been 28 plus in that time..
Lance, Hackland and Scotland were the only 26 plus players that played today..But one day the rest will be 25 26 too..Go Navy Blue

 

[Jono B]

No leave him it is the general concensous of Essendon from the wider public and I feel it is worthy of discussion. I am personally of the optomistic view that Essendon can make the eight despite the loss of Hird. Our problem stems from a lack of Middle aged players not because our youth are horrible. We have had descent to good drafting between 2002-2004 and very good drafting in the last few years. For instance we took 6 players in the top 50 of the super draft and they have all played a game.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

He's right though boys, be have relied to much on our older players such as Hird ect to get us out of trouble and get us over the line in close matches. The amount of times our old players have done this is just too many. They have made our record look better than our actuall team is. Because of this, it's cost us when it came to the draft, and is could cost us in the future. We were a bottom 4 team this year, but because of players like Hird getting us over the line we we didn't exactly deserve to win we nearly got into the 8 when we shouldn't have. It's time for the semi rebuilding stage, and give players such as Hocking ect a game before the players such as Peverill who arn't getting any better, and only older because things like this IMO are holding us back.

 

[Jono B]

He's right though boys, be have relied to much on our older players such as Hird ect to get us out of trouble and get us over the line in close matches. The amount of times our old players have done this is just too many. They have made our record look better than our actuall team is. Because of this, it's cost us when it came to the draft, and is could cost us in the future. We were a bottom 4 team this year, but because of players like Hird getting us over the line we we didn't exactly deserve to win we nearly got into the 8 when we shouldn't have. It's time for the semi rebuilding stage, and give players such as Hocking ect a game before the players such as Peverill who arn't getting any better, and only older because things like this IMO are holding us back.

I would prefer to have young players that know how to get over the line, than ones who have only known defeat.
Our youth has played a major part in all those victories it has not just been a total reliance on our senior players.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

I would prefer to have young players that know how to get over the line, than ones who have only known defeat.
Our youth has played a major part in all those victories it has not just been a total reliance on our senior players.

Most of the time in the close matches, we've nearly always relied on Hird to get the job done, the youngsters have played apart in some of the matches but they havn't been the gamebreakers who have got us over the line.

 

[Jono B]

Most of the time in the close matches, we've nearly always relied on Hird to get the job done, the youngsters have played apart in some of the matches but they havn't been the gamebreakers who have got us over the line.

Off the top of my head I can say that Watson final quarter against the tigers was probably what won us the game, Laycock saved us in the Melbourne game, Monfries got us back into the Carlton game.

 

[Bombertastic]

You have some small points but I think you have over estimated the significance of high draft picks. Who is to say that the player everyone thinks is going to be the best pick in the draft will become the best player from it. Having high picks is one thing but actually picking well is another.

Who is to say Gibbs was the best pick of last draft. Selwood went at 4 and he will probably be the Rising Star winner.

The real downfall of Essendon is unfortunately down to so much more then not getting high draft picks. Out of respect for my beloved club and an outgoing legend coach I won't elaborate.

 

[bomberrob]

id rather be in our position than carltons at least we have respect not like carlton who are down the bottom coz of cheating and whatever else,we may have had a few tough years but arent any way near as bad as many say....carlton are a joke to the afl comp

 

[GmeUP]

He's right though boys, be have relied to much on our older players such as Hird ect to get us out of trouble and get us over the line in close matches. The amount of times our old players have done this is just too many. They have made our record look better than our actuall team is. Because of this, it's cost us when it came to the draft, and is could cost us in the future. We were a bottom 4 team this year, but because of players like Hird getting us over the line we we didn't exactly deserve to win we nearly got into the 8 when we shouldn't have. It's time for the semi rebuilding stage, and give players such as Hocking ect a game before the players such as Peverill who arn't getting any better, and only older because things like this IMO are holding us back.

Thats a crock of shit.

U can't say we should be finishing lowly on the ladder and then defend it with the fact that listed players like Hird are the reason we didn't. Hird was listed for the year as was Lucas, Lloyd and Fletcher where we finished was relevant to the form of these 4 as much as the other 36 listed players.

Playing Pev and some of the other older boys helped us get some wins along the way the West Coast and brisbane games from midyear standout. It also saved us throwing the youngsters to the lions to early.

And our youngsters have definitely influenced games this year. Slattery kept Kerr and other big names quiet throughout the year. Davey was sensational up forward. Stanton and Watson have both influenced games.
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[dave_27]

Sorry but picking up rubbish like Walker and Kennedy isnt a good example of "the draft that has so happily paid back Carlton over the last 3 years".

 

[Daytripper]

Carlton today yielded a further Pick 1, 3 and 20. This adds to the previous picks 1,1,2,4,9,17,19 in the last 4 years with many more young stars to build around. It will be interesting in the next 3-5 years where the Bombers and Blues will be..

Jordan Russell (9), Andrew Walker (2), Josh Kennedy (4) aren't exactly setting the world on fire.

 

[Bomber57]

No leave him it is the general concensous of Essendon from the wider public and I feel it is worthy of discussion. I am personally of the optomistic view that Essendon can make the eight despite the loss of Hird. Our problem stems from a lack of Middle aged players not because our youth are horrible. We have had descent to good drafting between 2002-2004 and very good drafting in the last few years. For instance we took 6 players in the top 50 of the super draft and they have all played a game.

So you are saying that our draft picks since 2002 have been good/ok so why has Essendon not playing finals football for the last couple of years.??????

 

[Jono B]

So you are saying that our draft picks since 2002 have been good/ok so why has Essendon not playing finals football for the last couple of years.??????

1999-2001 was bad/horrible. To only get Welsh from the superdraft was well below the standard.

 

[Longy413]

Lance, Hackland and Scotland were the only 26 plus players that played today.

So what you're saying is that these young players have those three and Fev to look up to as role models. To learn from, to gain experience from, to help make them better people and footballers.

Yet Essendon's young players have Fletcher, Lucas, Lloyd, Michael, Jason Johnson to assist them in their development.

Yep, we're in huge trouble.

 

[Smyth94]

My intentions are that not to offend, but simply a view i would like to pose to the non Blinkered Dons fans that plot and plan their pick 6 that should secure a good mid..Maybe Palmer..

I sat there on Sat, inspired by the Bombers, seeing the magic of what Hird, Lucas and Lovett can do do when they turn it on..And yes, throughout the contest you had some winners and highlights..The ending fitting for two legends, immortilised in the game forever!!

But sadly it may grow much darker for the dons, the imposters of the AFL.
Essendon in 2002 -2004 were never going to win a premiership but were held high by their champions..their reward..Average draft picks.. In the few years that followed their demise began and their real plight was covered by the very stars that would soon retire or have There rewards, a pick 2 and couple of higher ones..all KPP - 2 should make it..

2007 was a year in which James Hird was a factor in each of your first 7 wins, so was Fletch and co.. Hird, Davey went and your season went awry, the end result 12th Position.

Carlton today yielded a further Pick 1, 3 and 20. This adds to the previous picks 1,1,2,4,9,17,19 in the last 4 years with many more young stars to build around. It will be interesting in the next 3-5 years where the Bombers and Blues will be..
My view is short term pain for Carlton will provide long term gain for the Old Dark Navy Blue in the years to come, The bombers have a aging list, 2 good KPP drafted in the last few drafts and a select few youngsters like Lovett, Davey? Hislop, Ryder, Stanton are only the so called 200 plus gamers most clubs would really go out for..

The next few years will be very rewarding for the Essendon faithful..Hopefully you can replenish via the draft that has so happily paid back Carlton over the last 3 years. While we see one team rise , we can only watch in wonder if the AFL takes away the priority picks in the coming years that have benifeted many clubs before. One could say that the sanctions imposed back in the 2002 netted a much greater reward in the long term for the old dark navy Blues!!

Your fans are cheering every loss, to the point where a former champion and club president are also advocating tanking - sad and pathetic, at least your rabble of a club could've tried to be as quiet as possible about the issue. They think that they're paying back the AFL for the draft picks that they took away but they're just making their club look like a pathetic dung heap.

Your draft picks only know how to lose, Picks 1,3,17 and what ever arn't going to teach your team how to win - Your senior players are the ones that need to install that winning feeling amonst your younger players and even they're a joke. It will take a long long time for Carlton to be back where they once were.

 

[Pumper Rubberfunk]

Simpson for the blues annoys the crap out of me..his dispossals is B-Grade and when he stuff's has a massive cry at the umps, stop compariring yourself to a team with 10 win's on the board Blues..

How did Saddington ever make the grade for the Swan's!! and Hackland you could right a book on how many problems his game has all your senior players are shit house..

 

[dapto]

IMposters I cannot tolerate but even worse is that there much truth to what you say.

Hard for a bomber man.

But it sits poorly that I do feel the blues rolled over for picks. Your list is not nearly as bad as your performances and some of your predictions based upon draft selections may come true. Nonetheless it against the real spirit of what football is about. Perhaps the system conspired the events as they panned but to see blues supporters cheering Lance's 4 points and out of bounds makes me feel sad for a club that I love to beat.

When Fraser Brown dragged down Dean Wallis at least I could respect an old foe

 

[Walesy]

pfffffffft. Teams eb and flow. They go up for a period of time, then come down.

The only teams that really break this trend are Carlton (We had no draft picks), and Richmond (who knows...).

I've seen a couple of Carlton have a better future than Essendon
and a couple of Richmond have a better future than Essendon

And all I can think is that by 2010, all 3 of those teams will be in the mix for September action.

The question to ask will be, Who's going to fall by then to make way for us? Just as Brisbane, the Dogs and Fremantle have done this year...

 

[VanDerHaar]

pfffffffft. Teams eb and flow. They go up for a period of time, then come down.

The only teams that really break this trend are Carlton (We had no draft picks), and Richmond (who knows...).

I've seen a couple of Carlton have a better future than Essendon
and a couple of Richmond have a better future than Essendon

And all I can think is that by 2010, all 3 of those teams will be in the mix for September action.

The question to ask will be, Who's going to fall by then to make way for us? Just as Brisbane, the Dogs and Fremantle have done this year...

The reality is that draft picks are only as good as the team that develops them. You may have had great picks, but it doesnt mean that they will be great players. The hole that you have and will always have is Key Poisitions....go back to selling phones at Carribean Market!!!!

 

[Tambu]

It's staggering to see so many Carlton fans wanting their club to finish bottom 2 to get a high draft pick, they actually brag about it! They've finished at the bottom 5 or 6 years running and are still rubbish...
The club I knew as Carlton growing up demanded respect and put fear into the opposition. That's all gone now, and what's sad is that a lot of their fans are happy with the way things are going, they're happy to bottom out year after year to get high draft picks which may or may not get them off the bottom.
What's funny is that one day, who knows when, they'll make their way back up into the finals and become a good team again... but all their supporters will forget what they gave up so easily to get there. Respect and dignity.

As for Essendon, we've won 7 more games than we did last year, missing finals by 2 games. Our youth can take a lot of the credit for that... Davey, Winderlich, Stanton, Monfries, Nash, Laycock, Ryder etc.
The rest of the credit goes to Hird, Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher and Michael as well as our mid tier players: McVeigh, Welsh, Lovett-Murray, Lovett and Peverill - who have fought hard this year and will be better for it next year.
We may not deserve too much respect at this point due to our inconsistency, but at least we don't thrive on finishing last or second last to get pick 1 in the draft.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

pfffffffft. Teams eb and flow. They go up for a period of time, then come down.

The only teams that really break this trend are Carlton (We had no draft picks), and Richmond (who knows...).

I've seen a couple of Carlton have a better future than Essendon
and a couple of Richmond have a better future than Essendon

And all I can think is that by 2010, all 3 of those teams will be in the mix for September action.

The question to ask will be, Who's going to fall by then to make way for us? Just as Brisbane, the Dogs and Fremantle have done this year...

Carlton and Essendon definately will, but im not so sure about the Tigers.

 

[Mero]

My intentions are that not to offend, but simply a view i would like to pose to the non Blinkered Dons fans that plot and plan their pick 6 that should secure a good mid..Maybe Palmer..

I sat there on Sat, inspired by the Bombers, seeing the magic of what Hird, Lucas and Lovett can do do when they turn it on..And yes, throughout the contest you had some winners and highlights..The ending fitting for two legends, immortilised in the game forever!!

But sadly it may grow much darker for the dons, the imposters of the AFL.
Essendon in 2002 -2004 were never going to win a premiership but were held high by their champions..their reward..Average draft picks.. In the few years that followed their demise began and their real plight was covered by the very stars that would soon retire or have There rewards, a pick 2 and couple of higher ones..all KPP - 2 should make it..

2007 was a year in which James Hird was a factor in each of your first 7 wins, so was Fletch and co.. Hird, Davey went and your season went awry, the end result 12th Position.

Carlton today yielded a further Pick 1, 3 and 20. This adds to the previous picks 1,1,2,4,9,17,19 in the last 4 years with many more young stars to build around. It will be interesting in the next 3-5 years where the Bombers and Blues will be..
My view is short term pain for Carlton will provide long term gain for the Old Dark Navy Blue in the years to come, The bombers have a aging list, 2 good KPP drafted in the last few drafts and a select few youngsters like Lovett, Davey? Hislop, Ryder, Stanton are only the so called 200 plus gamers most clubs would really go out for..

The next few years will be very rewarding for the Essendon faithful..Hopefully you can replenish via the draft that has so happily paid back Carlton over the last 3 years. While we see one team rise , we can only watch in wonder if the AFL takes away the priority picks in the coming years that have benifeted many clubs before. One could say that the sanctions imposed back in the 2002 netted a much greater reward in the long term for the old dark navy Blues!!

So, you marvelled at the Pick 79, the pick 4 and the Rookie List kid.
What part of that is ironic, do you think?