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Everyone seems to love mentioning whinging, whining navel-gazers like Nirvana as "influential". The only bands Nirvana has influenced are other navel-gazing whiners.

Let's call a spade a spade. Kurt Cobain was a coward, and just about the worst role model a teenager could possibly have - a multi-millionaire who had such a "tough life" he had to suicide - well cry me a f#cking river!

ABBA's influence on pop has been far greater than Nirvana's influence on anything (except the youth suicide rate). Just because the music was subtly and skilfully crafted rather than aggressive, noisesome trash does not mean it is less relevant to people's lives.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank
Everyone seems to love mentioning whinging, whining navel-gazers like Nirvana as "influential". The only bands Nirvana has influenced are other navel-gazing whiners.

Let's call a spade a spade. Kurt Cobain was a coward, and just about the worst role model a teenager could possibly have - a multi-millionaire who had such a "tough life" he had to suicide - well cry me a f#cking river!

ABBA's influence on pop has been far greater than Nirvana's influence on anything (except the youth suicide rate). Just because the music was subtly and skilfully crafted rather than aggressive, noisesome trash does not mean it is less relevant to people's lives.
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TT, I new you'd find a negative slant on popular cultre. ;) I agree Cobain was no role model, but you answer your own criticism with the fact that they did have a huge influence. Have you got any idea just how many 'whinging, wining navel-gazing bands there are because of Nirvana?..........bloody millions. They were a big influence on music and bands, which is what the thread is about.
 
Originally posted by Shinboners


You could go back even further and say that Run DMC working with Aerosmith (????...not sure if it was Aerosmith, so correct me if I'm wrong) to do "Walk This Way" was the first rap/metal crossover tune to make the charts. There was also the soundtrack to "Judgement Night" that matched rap/hip hop bands with rock bands that seemed to open up a few ideas for people as well.
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I've got an album by a band called 'Part-Time Christians' which was a rap/metal crossover album produced in 1983. This has got to be one of the first of it's kind.
Another good thing about this album is that most of the songs are dedicated to bowling. Song names include:
Gutter ball, Orthapaedic bowling shoes & Strength thru bowling.

Funny songs, but definitely pioneers of a musical style.
 

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Originally posted by Santos L Helper


TT, I new you'd find a negative slant on popular cultre. ;)
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That's a bit harsh SLH.

I don't mind 'popular' music, so long as it isn't navel-gazing grunge rubbish or sepo hip-hop/r & b bull*****.

OK, so that doesn't leave much at the moment ...

Music ended the day vinyl died.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank


That's a bit harsh SLH.

I don't mind 'popular' music, so long as it isn't navel-gazing grunge rubbish or sepo hip-hop/r & b bull*****.

OK, so that doesn't leave much at the moment ...

Music ended the day vinyl died.
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TT, I agree. I have a record collection worth $7000 and it always makes me sad that I can't really add to it and that I can't hear my music with that beautiful warm sound that vinyl gave us. CD's seemed to make music clinical.
 
Boys-second hand shops are an absolute godsend for vinyl fans. Only yesterday, I picked up Hawkwind's Hall of the Mountain Grill and Grand Funk Railroad's Caught in the Act on pristine vinyl.
 
Originally posted by Santos L Helper


TT, I agree. I have a record collection worth $7000 and it always makes me sad that I can't really add to it and that I can't hear my music with that beautiful warm sound that vinyl gave us. CD's seemed to make music clinical.
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you can still get records around the place...plenty of bands still put out a record...Korn released a vinyl version of Follow the Leader and Issues

If you go to Verandah they have a stack of about 30-40 vinyls where the new releases are!
 
Dance music still comes out on 12" vinyl, but whereas you could buy 12" for $7.95 (local) or $12.00 (import), you're now looking at $20.00 minimum.

Forced me out of the market.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank
The only bands Nirvana has influenced are other navel-gazing whiners.
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Not true. The riff from "Smells Like Teen Spirit" alone has had a huge influence right across a wide range of pop music.

Take for instance, bands such as 'The Prodigy' and 'Massive Attack', whose blend of punk-rock-techno, has been linked to the influence given by Nirvana's "riffology".

This is just one example, and there are many more.

Whether you like Nirvana or not, it's pretty clear that their music gave rise to the incorporation of the "big riff" being used in a wide range of music styles.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank
Dance music still comes out on 12" vinyl, but whereas you could buy 12" for $7.95 (local) or $12.00 (import), you're now looking at $20.00 minimum.

Forced me out of the market.
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yeah....dance music is bloody expensive anyways tho. There isnt a label in Australia that looks after dance music, so every cd has to be imported....tahts why dance singles are around $20 and LPs are around $40-50.
 
Originally posted by Olmy


Not true. The riff from "Smells Like Teen Spirit" alone has had a huge influence right across a wide range of pop music.

Take for instance, bands such as 'The Prodigy' and 'Massive Attack', whose blend of punk-rock-techno, has been linked to the influence given by Nirvana's "riffology".
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mmm, not too sure on that. Where did you read taht? Ive never heard Liam or any other Prodigy member say they have been influenced by Nirvana. They only have two-three guitary songs anyway - Their Law, Firestarter, Breathe. The rest is dance music. I know that the Prodigy are influenced by bands like Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Sex Pistols, Janes Addiction, Ultramagnetic MCs, Five (no, not the boy band) and Public Enemy though...but ive never heard of the Nirvana influence before!
 

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Originally posted by TigerTank
I think we finally have some common ground SLH. :)
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TT, of course some would call that 'warm sound' beer stains.:D (Not on my record collection though!)

Macca, the problem is finding new albums by bands I want to buy, also my last turntable got stolen and I haven't bought a new one yet.:(
 
Originally posted by gPhonque


Of course, but the Beatles defined, and influenced, pop music more than anybody else. But they weren't just a pop band, nor did they only influence pop bands - they defined the concept of what a "band" should be. Everybody wanted to be The Beatles then, and everybody still wants to be the Beatles now. The way the band evolved - name me a (credible) musician/band today who doesn't have intentions of letting their music grow as they grow as people. The Beatles were the ideal. And still are. Not for everybody of course, but more than any other band surely.

This may seem a weird example, but it's quite a good, and appropriate one - have you seen the Rolling Stone section each month where they have a current "pop" star list their favourite 10 albums? I don't think i've seen a month yet where The Beatles haven't had a mention. Weird example i know, but it carries some weight - even if some of the "pop stars" in question are part of a band that have done nothing but regurgitate something from last year anyway - they're still a part of music today. (unfortunately.)

My point, i think, :confused: :) is that the Beatles have been an influence over more than just "pop" bands.

As a musician, you wouldn't even have to be a Beatles "fan" to acknowledge their influence, even on yourself. :) [/B]
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Fair enough points gPhonque, although I don't think the Beatles were the only band at the time that settled on the drum, bass, two guitars, and vocalist format for a pop band. I don't argue the point that the Beatles have influenced many bands, but I would say that bands like the Rolling Stones (for rock), Led Zeppelin (metal), and Sex Pistols (punk) have been just as influential, and that musicans will get their influences from many sources rather than primarily just one.

Hmmm....I don't read Rolling Stone, but I take your word on the list of influences. I guess I should stop reading Chickfactor and Sadness In The Sky...... :D
 
Originally posted by Shinboners


Fair enough points gPhonque, although I don't think the Beatles were the only band at the time that settled on the drum, bass, two guitars, and vocalist format for a pop band. I don't argue the point that the Beatles have influenced many bands, but I would say that bands like the Rolling Stones (for rock), Led Zeppelin (metal), and Sex Pistols (punk) have been just as influential, and that musicans will get their influences from many sources rather than primarily just one.
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Yep. Completely agree. :) Well, kind of.... :D I don't agree that the Stones, Led Zep etc have been as influential as the Beatles, but who knows. (!?!?!?) Also, for what it's worth, (probably not much lol) my music influences (i'd say favourite artists but they become influences when you listen to them so much) range from Led Zep, Frank Zappa, (my fave), Miles Davis, early Stevie Wonder, anything George Clinton etc etc, to recently Stone Temple Pilots (love that band - "No.4" is one dirty album - "Purple" is rock perfection imo), Pearl Jam, Jeff Buckley, RATM, etc etc. (i know i've probably left out another 500....) Despite what i've been crapping on about in this thread, :) the Beatles are far down the list. But they're definately there.

Hmmm....I don't read Rolling Stone, but I take your word on the list of influences. I guess I should stop reading Chickfactor and Sadness In The Sky...... :D
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I don't read Rolling Stone that often anymore - maybe once every 3 months i might buy it - but that was just something i noticed (the Beatles references) that i found interesting. Some very unlikely artists as well. cheers. :)
 
Agreed with whoever mentioned Michael Jackson. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that he has been extremely instrumental, since the 60's.

Even if you do think he is a little (or a lot) weird, there is no doubting his extraodinary talents... from when he was 7 or so, until now.

Also another band which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned (I think), is INXS. From when I was a baby, my dad has told me over and over again that INXS is the best band in the world (along with Midnight Oil), and I had never really appreciated it until Michael Hutchence died.
 
Originally posted by Santos L Helper


I've got an album by a band called 'Part-Time Christians' which was a rap/metal crossover album produced in 1983. This has got to be one of the first of it's kind.
Another good thing about this album is that most of the songs are dedicated to bowling. Song names include:
Gutter ball, Orthapaedic bowling shoes & Strength thru bowling.

Funny songs, but definitely pioneers of a musical style.
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In response to Shinners' post as well, I don't really consider Aerosmith as heavy metal - more blues based hard-rock, not too different from the heaviness of (say) The Angels or even Cold Chisel.

Anthrax has done well out of the rap/metal crossover movement, releasing the "I'm The Man" single in 1987, which was rap with guitar riffs, and teaming up with Public Enemy in 1990 or 1991 to record the single "Bring The Noise". From memory, both had reasonable commercial success, at least in the USA.
 
Originally posted by Macca19


you can still get records around the place...plenty of bands still put out a record...
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Many metal bands still put out vinyl - standard issues and limited edition stuff. Could it be based around the fact the cover artwork is so popular, or released specifically with collectors in mind?

Usually set you back $30-40.
 

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Originally posted by meg
Agreed with whoever mentioned Michael Jackson. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that he has been extremely instrumental, since the 60's.
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Meg, I think he sings in most of his songs which would disqualify them as 'instumentals'. ;)

Even if you do think he is a little (or a lot) weird, there is no doubting his extraodinary talents... from when he was 7 or so, until now.
Do all paedophiles get this type of respect? Or just the ones that can afford to make their victim go away?
 
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
The less said about the Human Atrocity formerly known as Michael Jackson the better methinks ...

cheers
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I agree. That's why i mentioned Quincy Jones. Jacko's a fool. Quincy was the man!
 
Originally posted by Macca19


mmm, not too sure on that. Where did you read taht? Ive never heard Liam or any other Prodigy member say they have been influenced by Nirvana. They only have two-three guitary songs anyway - Their Law, Firestarter, Breathe. The rest is dance music. I know that the Prodigy are influenced by bands like Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Sex Pistols, Janes Addiction, Ultramagnetic MCs, Five (no, not the boy band) and Public Enemy though...but ive never heard of the Nirvana influence before!
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I actually read it, as a small comment in an interview around the time they came out to Australia, on the back of the success of the "Breathe" single.

The comment itself wasn't indicating a major influence, but rather one which was being indicative of how they felt electronic music was becoming part of the mainstream, and the reasons as to why this was happening. Apart from that, the rest was something I'd put down to my own observations (using The Prodigy, with a popular, widely known song as an example).

I guess if you look over the last 10 years or so, there has been a greater adoption of bands, groups, musicians including a "big riff" in their music. This hasn't just been in rock, as it has also ventured into streams of pop, and electronic music, even in very subtle forms.

Cheers!
 

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