Ins and outs?

[Mead]

I suppose this is a bit premature, but what do you see as the likely ins and outs for next week?

Obviously Kerr will slot straight back in, Hunter and Johnson will be seriously looked at, whilst Seaby, Nicoski, Butler, Waters (and after a great WAFL effort) and Grayham will be chances.

Obviously, Banners is out, but who else will make way?

For my mind, we should definitely leave Lynch and McDougall where they are for now- both need experience, and will probably be a lot better at Subi.

For my mind, in: Hunter, Kerr, Johnson, out Green, Banfield, and probably Staker.
Still looking forward to seeing Nicoski get a run, but mark the waif is probably not suited to going up against a very physical port lineup.

 

[Altum Volantes]

I'd say your bang on there mate.

Pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

Kerr for Banfield
Hunter for Green
Johnson for Staker

Banners is out for now (hopefully not too long, he's my sponsered Eagle!) and Green wasn't great against the Dogs - Hunter is the player the backline was lacking today - Jakovich had drifted up the ground a bit today (with some success as he was in good touch today), which left the backline with only Lynch and Carroll, with Green a bit small to make a real impact in contests. Hopefully Hunter is fit because he's a good type to have in the team and last year tried his guts out on Tredrea, so it could be a good challenge for him this week.

I don't think Staker will be hurt by a spell in the WAFL - I was a bit surprised to see him starting out this season anyway. He hasn't been the same carefree player he was for us briefly last season - perhaps new responsibility has made him lose some of his confidence. Still looks a likely type, but a run in the WAFL could help him regain some focus and confidence. Johnson was ok for the Swans this week, and an extra big body up forward may help us match it with Port a bit better.

 

[Streaker]

In: Kerr, Johnson, Hunter and Waters
Out : Banfield, Green, Staker and Humm

 

[Altum Volantes]

Hmm Beau Waters..

I was meaning to ask after his WAFL form.

Where did he play? how did he go? etc

AFL ready already?

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by Black JuJu
Hmm Beau Waters..

I was meaning to ask after his WAFL form.

Where did he play? how did he go? etc

AFL ready already?

Played HBF (Half Back Flank)
Was named amongst the best for Claremont.
AFL ready : Yes

 

[Frodo]

Nicoski for Banfield
Hunter for Green
Kerr for Adkins (Sorry Chipper but I can't think who else)
Johnson for McDougal (he has to learn to put in 100% or be dropped)

 

[Frodo]

ps If Jako and Gardy are rotating CHF and Doogs is kept at FF then where does Johno play?

Also, Kerr is a midfielder, sureley a midfielder has to go to make way for him.......that's why I could only think of Adkins. Alternatives may be Jones, Chick, Morrisson. Or am I missing someone?

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by Frodo
ps If Jako and Gardy are rotating CHF and Doogs is kept at FF then where does Johno play?

Also, Kerr is a midfielder, sureley a midfielder has to go to make way for him.......that's why I could only think of Adkins. Alternatives may be Jones, Chick, Morrisson. Or am I missing someone?

Adkins, Sampi, Chick and Wirrpunda all had a run in the midfield which means they filled Kerrs position. If Jako was used off of the bench or in a Back Pocket as in our practice game against Adelaide and the rucks rotated through the bench this would allow us to leave Johnson at CHF.

Waters had something like 14 kicks and 13 handballs in his game on the weekend and should be rewarded for his early form in the WAFL. I see him as a good replacement for Banfield.

If Port line up as they were shown in Saturdays West then this is how I would match them up.

B: Wanganeen Bishop Wilson
F: Sampi McDougall Matera

HB: Montgomery C Cornes Cochrane
HF: Jones Johnson Embley

C: K Cornes Carr Schofield
C: Braun Kerr Judd

HF: Pickett Tredrea Dew
HB: Wirrpunda Lynch Chick

F: S Burgoyne Lade Brogan
B: Morrison Hunter Jakovich

Followers: Primus Kingsley P Burgoyne
Followers: Gardiner Cousins Fletcher

Interchange: Cassisi Thurstans Surjan Salopek
Interchange: Cox Waters Adkins Carroll

Hopefully Byron Picketts shoulder injury will keep him out next week as he always seems to hurt us on the scoreboard.

Tredrea and Dew both kicked 6 so it is important for us to get on top of them early. A run with role for Chick on Dew would be a good option with Lynch and Jakovich tag teaming Tredrea.

 

[Monocle]

Originally posted by Frodo
ps If Jako and Gardy are rotating CHF and Doogs is kept at FF then where does Johno play?

Also, Kerr is a midfielder, sureley a midfielder has to go to make way for him.......that's why I could only think of Adkins. Alternatives may be Jones, Chick, Morrisson. Or am I missing someone?

Cant see either Morrison or Jones going as these two are our link players that are very under rated as they set up our smaller on ballers. I was very impressed with them both yesterday :

Morrison: 7 kicks , 13 hand passes , 7 marks
Jones : 8 kicks , 12 hand passes , 4 marks

Whilst Chick did not do much we will need his physical pressence against Port.

Green must go !! If Chipper is dropped he is a bit stiff, however Kerr is a best 22 starter.

 

[thegur]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
B: Wanganeen Bishop Wilson
F: Sampi McDougall Matera

HB: Montgomery C Cornes Cochrane
HF: Jones Johnson Embley

C: K Cornes Carr Schofield
C: Braun Kerr Judd

HF: Pickett Tredrea Dew
HB: Wirrpunda Lynch Chick

F: S Burgoyne Lade Brogan
B: Morrison Hunter Jakovich

Followers: Primus Kingsley P Burgoyne
Followers: Gardiner Cousins Fletcher

Interchange: Cassisi Thurstans Surjan Salopek
Interchange: Cox Waters Adkins Carroll

Stupid nerd box, just wrote a whole post that didn't get posted ... main jist was ... I'd be more than happy to see Tredrea line-up at CHF against Lynch than against any of our players at FF, lets hope Williams is not as on to the whole fact we have no FB to cover a Tredrea-type as opposed to this board. Given dry weather, I like the idea of us trying to stretch Port and playing Johnson, Jako and Howser forward ... could they cover us? Also, I don't see us having too many options for Dew ... good call with Chick, Hunter maybe, but not many others who have that strength.

Is Primus a certainty to play?

thegur

 

[eagleskickass]

Waters must play, as my selected player, as it would be great for the young'un to make his debut at home after a obviously really good WAFL game. Couldnt hurt to have another tough nut in against the Port thugs.

 

[theorangeapple]

as much as i'd like waters to play i do doubt it. i wouldnt be suprised to see us just go in with the one change kerr for banners.

woosh doesnt historically make big changes after a win....but lots of changes after a loss. i think green is looking shaky...but the rest should be safe.

if waters was going to come in, ideally it would be for humm. as they are very similar players. waters did get over 20 posesions in the backline for claremont in a team he knew no-one. he is ready IMO but i think they'll give him a few more weeks after the knee op.

btw, it looks like pickett may need shoulder surgury. i wont say im disapointed.

 

[Exeter]

Nicoski in for Banfield
Kerr in for Adkins
Guy McKenna in for Green

 

[carlyp]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Out : Staker and Humm

Staker: Maybe he should be dropped but honestly what good will it do him to go and play in the WAFL? He needs AFL experience FFS!

Humm: How could you possibly think of dropping Humm after a performance like yesterday? He played well and is just the tough nut we need for the PAPS

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by carlyp
Staker: Maybe he should be dropped but honestly what good will it do him to go and play in the WAFL? He needs AFL experience FFS!

Staker needs to build up his confidence and he isn't going to do that getting his butt kicked week in week out. He has lost his feel for the ball. Sending him back to the WAFL would increase both.

Originally posted by carlyp
Humm: How could you possibly think of dropping Humm after a performance like yesterday? He played well and is just the tough nut we need for the PAPS

You call that a good performance! Humm has been in the system for how long compared to Cooney? He should have absolutely pantsed Cooney.

His Stats
3 kicks one of which was a free kick
3 handballs
1 mark
and he gave 2 free kicks away

I would prefer to give Waters a try.

 

[carlyp]

Staker needs to build up his confidence and he isn't going to do that getting his butt kicked week in week out. He has lost his feel for the ball. Sending him back to the WAFL would increase both.

Thats perhaps a fair point but I still think dropping him is going to make him lose more confidence than it is going to gain confidence for the young fella!


You call that a good performance! Humm has been in the system for how long compared to Cooney? He should have absolutely pantsed Cooney.

His Stats
3 kicks one of which was a free kick
3 handballs
1 mark
and he gave 2 free kicks away

I would prefer to give Waters a try.

You cant look at a players performance purely on stats mate. Some players do alot more off the ball (tackles, leading opposition players away from the ball,I'll call it the tough stuff). We cant all be Ben Cousin ball magnets. It takes all types to make a champion team. We have the classy players and now we need to develop a few enforcers for when the going gets tough. Humm is a brilliant example of 'the enforcer' type that we need. If we hadnt of had the likes of Humm we would have lost yesterday. The Fletchers, the Brauns and the Humms all so a valuable service for the team and should not imo be looked at any worse than the class players of Gardiner, Cousins and Judd

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by carlyp
[BYou cant look at a players performance purely on stats mate. Some players do alot more off the ball (tackles, leading opposition players away from the ball,I'll call it the tough stuff). We cant all be Ben Cousin ball magnets. It takes all types to make a champion team. We have the classy players and now we need to develop a few enforcers for when the going gets tough. Humm is a brilliant example of 'the enforcer' type that we need. If we hadnt of had the likes of Humm we would have lost yesterday. The Fletchers, the Brauns and the Humms all so a valuable service for the team and should not imo be looked at any worse than the class players of Gardiner, Cousins and Judd [/B]

Who's to say that Waters wouldn't be able to do what Humm did and more. I understand that stats aren't the only basis that a players performance is judged upon but I still don't see him as an 'enforcer'.

Leading an opposition player away from the ball isn't something I would call 'tough stuff'. It just means that the player playing on him is playing accountable footy. His one and only tackle (with which he gave away one of his free kicks) wasn't something that I would call 'tough stuff' either.

There are numerous players that play the same sort of game as Humm does and fit his mould. You might think he is the best thing since sliced bread but I disagree. I don't see a role for him this week against Port. I would rather see Waters form in the WAFL rewarded and Humm is the one I would leave out. Based on the Port team that played against Essendon there isn't a suitable match up for Humm in the backline.

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Who's to say that Waters wouldn't be able to do what Humm did and more. I understand that stats aren't the only basis that a players performance is judged upon but I still don't see him as an 'enforcer'.

Leading an opposition player away from the ball isn't something I would call 'tough stuff'. It just means that the player playing on him is playing accountable footy. His one and only tackle (with which he gave away one of his free kicks) wasn't something that I would call 'tough stuff' either.

There are numerous players that play the same sort of game as Humm does and fit his mould. You might think he is the best thing since sliced bread but I disagree. I don't see a role for him this week against Port. I would rather see Waters form in the WAFL rewarded and Humm is the one I would leave out. Based on the Port team that played against Essendon there isn't a suitable match up for Humm in the backline.

Well, I'd like him on Dew or the Burgoynes for starters.

Humm was pretty good against the Dogs, and to my mind was the only youngster who lived up to his preseason promise on the weekend- As far as I'm concerned, you don't measure a back pocket's worth by the stats they get, but by the impact or lack thereof that the oppositions FPs have. I thought he was very accountable, and mostly right on his man's hammer when the ball came in- thats enough, in my book. With Wirra and Morrison also playing in the backline, there's only so much scope for attacking mop-up type players.

I like Waters a lot, but I don't think he willl his week. He's got a huge amount of promise and will no doubt get a game sooner rather than later, but based on previous experiences, he's probably going to need more than one good week of WAFL form to force his way into the side, and certainly not at the expense of Humm who has been consistently good throughout the preseason and put in a solid effort this weekend. Why should one week of very impressive WAFL form from Waters outweigh a month of good preseason form and a solid round 1 game from Humm?

In any case, if Waters plays, I would have thought it would be more likely across the HBF rather than deeper in defence, dislodging someone like Green, Staker or Banfield. If he gets selected on that basis good luck to him.

 

[Mr Q]

Apart from the obvious that Banfield is out and Kerr will be in, any other changes are debatable.

Green deserves a week in the WAFL, and that would certainly give Waters a chance for selection, while Staker would be on uncertain ground with Johnson looking for selection.

The problem with the big men for us is that to get Johnno in we need to drop one of the other big men. Ruckmen aside, the experienced players, Jako and Carroll put in the best performances but you don't want to drop McDougall or Lynch because of the damage it could do to their confidence. Seaby would have a similar problem getting into the side.

I don't think Adkins deserves to be dropped at this stage, the latter part of the weekend's game would have his confidence up a bit, and hopefully he could carry that through into this weeks game.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Confirmation on Pickett -

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=140171
2:02:38 PM Mon 29 March, 2004
Sportal

Port Adelaide hard nut Byron Pickett will be sidelined for up to eight weeks after undergoing shoulder surgery on Monday.

Pickett has had surgical repair of his dislocated acromio-clavicular joint (A-C joint) in his left shoulder and according to a statement released by the club, the surgery went well.

He suffered the injury while laying a shepherd, with just one minute and 47 second left of the match, which Port won by 96 points.

Roger James (groin), Matthew Primus (side strain) and Darryl Wakelin (calf) will all undergo fitness tests ahead of the trip to Perth on Saturday night to play West Coast.

So yeah, a few good players under a cloud for Port, the lack of Byron will be a bonus for the Eagles no doubt.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I pretty much agree with the general consensus on the ins and outs. Makes sense.

Humm for Waters - Humm did nothing spectacular, Waters performed in the WAFL. For a guy in his 4th AFL season, Humm has really not come along. Give the highly rated tough nut Waters a shot, and lets see his talents.

Green for Hunter - One HB flanker for another. Except that Hunter is capable of playing on fast leading FFs, is tougher, and rebounds great. Green didn't earn a spot in next weeks team, no argument to keep him in the side if Hunter is fit.

Banfield for Kerr - Banfield injured, Kerr an automatic selection.

 

[Portia]

Is Collica any kind of chance?

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by Porthos
Is Collica any kind of chance?

Did his hammy a fortnight ago, will be out for some time yet.

 

[Milenko]

For a guy who was one of our most consistent players in the dark days of Judge, Mick Collica sure has fallen by the wayside. Shame really.

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by Mead
Well, I'd like him on Dew or the Burgoynes for starters.

Are you a sadist! Maybe you like seeing small players pile driven into the ground.

Originally posted by Mead
Humm was pretty good against the Dogs, and to my mind was the only youngster who lived up to his preseason promise on the weekend- As far as I'm concerned, you don't measure a back pocket's worth by the stats they get, but by the impact or lack thereof that the oppositions FPs have.

In that case you would have to admit that Cooney beat him as Cooney had more of an impact than Humm with his goal and tackling in the Bulldogs forward line.

Originally posted by Mead
I thought he was very accountable, and mostly right on his man's hammer when the ball came in- thats enough, in my book. With Wirra and Morrison also playing in the backline, there's only so much scope for attacking mop-up type players.

Morrison played the majority of his time on the ground in the forward line.

Originally posted by Mead
I like Waters a lot, but I don't think he willl his week. He's got a huge amount of promise and will no doubt get a game sooner rather than later, but based on previous experiences, he's probably going to need more than one good week of WAFL form to force his way into the side, and certainly not at the expense of Humm who has been consistently good throughout the preseason and put in a solid effort this weekend. Why should one week of very impressive WAFL form from Waters outweigh a month of good preseason form and a solid round 1 game from Humm?

If Waters had not damaged his knee and had a cleanout I believe he would have been in the team last week. I think Waters offers us more.

Originally posted by Mead
In any case, if Waters plays, I would have thought it would be more likely across the HBF rather than deeper in defence, dislodging someone like Green, Staker or Banfield. If he gets selected on that basis good luck to him.

I also think Green and Staker will be discussed for long periods when it comes to selection night this week.