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Will be role players like duggo that will feel the $$$ squeeze. Guns will get paid the same regardless.
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AFL Finals 2021: Melbourne vs Geelong preliminary final, mental scars, 2018 prelim vs West Coast, Will Schofield comments, news (foxsports.com.au)
"Schofield explained the Eagles tried to exploit Melbourne’s overconfidence, talking them up in the media and planning to ambush them in the opening minutes.
“We also wanted the mindset of Melbourne to be ‘how good are we, and how bloody good’s this story gonna be? How’s this fairytale of us, you know, picking ourselves up and playing this contested brand and coming over to Perth, beating West Coast, going to a Grand Final, winning a Grand Final’, we wanted them just patting themselves on the back,” he said.
“So any media we did that week, any media Simmo did, there was a huge thread from the leadership group to go over and above pumping up how good Melbourne is.
“And internally, it was, we’re gonna shove the fairytale so far up their behinds that they’re never gonna want to come back to Perth.
“We set them up for exactly what happened, and we spoke about it during the week, they’re gonna come out in the first quarter and they’re not gonna kick a goal. It so happened it went for the first half. But it was talked about, that wasn’t just us playing well, that was - it’s easier to say - that was what we wanted to happen, and it did.”
But i thought it was all Mitchell that got the team pumped
Haha also love the part about keeping Hamish Brayshaw out of team meetings incase he said anything to his Brother Angus in the leadup
"Schofield explained the Eagles tried to exploit Melbourne’s overconfidence, talking them up in the media and planning to ambush them in the opening minutes.
“We also wanted the mindset of Melbourne to be ‘how good are we, and how bloody good’s this story gonna be? How’s this fairytale of us, you know, picking ourselves up and playing this contested brand and coming over to Perth, beating West Coast, going to a Grand Final, winning a Grand Final’, we wanted them just patting themselves on the back,” he said.
“So any media we did that week, any media Simmo did, there was a huge thread from the leadership group to go over and above pumping up how good Melbourne is.
“And internally, it was, we’re gonna shove the fairytale so far up their behinds that they’re never gonna want to come back to Perth.
“We set them up for exactly what happened, and we spoke about it during the week, they’re gonna come out in the first quarter and they’re not gonna kick a goal. It so happened it went for the first half. But it was talked about, that wasn’t just us playing well, that was - it’s easier to say - that was what we wanted to happen, and it did.”
But i thought it was all Mitchell that got the team pumped
Haha also love the part about keeping Hamish Brayshaw out of team meetings incase he said anything to his Brother Angus in the leadup
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I'd be pissed if the Black Eyed Peas showed up to my party. That William bloke can get ****ed
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Great to hear an absolute Champion of our great game Ben Cousins is alive and well and is attending this years Brownlow Night and back in the AFL arena where he belongs. Enjoy the night mate. I sure enjoyed coaching against you. #neverdoubtafightingchampion #alwaysinyourcorner
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Looks like the stink of the Black Eyed Peas rubbed off onto the boys at that after-party. No wonder we have been sliding into obscurity.
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Im about 4 minutes in, and like our early season, can't see it getting worse from here. Thought i could post this. Crppa bringing more pressure by stats than i realised. Hoping nick gets starting ruck.
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Not a bad review by Buckenara.
Not sure about us having good depth though.
He says Cole is an untouchable yet rates his as a C.
Rating Rioli as a C and Duggan as an A was strange.
Gary Buckenara analyses the West Coast list at the end of the 2021 season
The West Coast Eagles have been one of the league’s great underachievers and time is running out for this talented group to deliver what they should.
West Coast’s list has underachieved the past two years.
Questions must be asked as to why.
Has Covid-19 had a big effect on their ability to adapt to the changing circumstances the 2020 and 2021 seasons presented? All clubs have had these issues to deal with.
The Eagles’ list is full of talent and I expected them to be one of the teams to beat in 2021 but their season has been a major let-down again to say the least.
Injuries have hurt them. But this is the bad luck you need to be able to cover with your depth players – and their list has a lot of depth – so this can’t be used as a justification for two years of disappointing results.
The clock is ticking and they are running out of time to achieve what they should have been able to as a group.
The Eagles will need some of their developing players to develop into at least B-graders and it’s hard to predict whether they can as I have not seen enough of them play WAFL to make those judgments.
The club’s recruiters have had later picks in the draft in recent years, meaning the chances of those players developing into top-ranked stars is slimmer than with earlier picks.
The Eagles list is now at a crossroad but the question is will they continue on a journey to the destination they want or have they taken the wrong direction and become lost?
Next season will be a very important one for this list as time is running out.
Even though they did win a flag in 2018, they have had the most talented list and should have won more and to miss the finals in 2021 is a huge underachievement for this group of players.
LIST NEEDS
The Eagles have an ageing list but it is still very talented, boasting a strong defence, elite midfield and very dangerous forwards. The issue that stands out is the lack of future AB players. Unless some of the developing players can progress into A or B-graders in two-three years – with the age of the top-end talent – there could be big challenges for the list management and recruiting team at West Coast. The last two years have been very poor and unless they can recapture the hunger again and develop younger players from within, they face some big challenges as a club.
TRADE TARGETS
I’m sure the Eagles will target any ex-West Australian free agents. But this is not a draft to have a lot of picks in. The talent over the past two years has been harder to access due to Covid and not being able to attend games to view players interstate. While everyone gets the vision to watch, it is not the ideal way to access younger players because watching them play live gives you a far better look at other factors like footy smarts and reading the play that you can‘t really see from vision.
UNTOUCHABLES
Oscar Allen, Jarrod Brander, Tom Barras, Tom Cole, Jamie Cripps, Jack Darling, Liam Duggan, Andrew Gaff, Shannon Hurn, Tim Kelly, Josh Kennedy, Jeremy McGovern, Nic Naitanui, Jack Redden, Josh Rotham, Liam Ryan, Dom Sheed, Brad Sheppard, Luke Shuey and Elliot Yeo as well as their developing players.
MORE GARY BUCKENARA
RICHMOND: Every Tiger rated – Bucky names real A-graders
GOLD COAST: Trade targets – who’s next in the Gold Coast feeding frenzy?
HAWTHORN: The Hawk who made be better off at a finals team
TRADE BAIT
I doubt the Eagles will be very active in trying to trade out any of their A or B-ranked players to get early picks in this draft. Some of the players in the C-ranked category are the ones likely to make way for list changes. But I would be making minimal list changes this year
WHAT THE RATINGS MEAN
List management is one of the most important jobs at an AFL club.
Poor decisions can be catastrophic — and Collingwood proved that last year.
Far too many clubs can often hold an overly-optimistic view when ranking their own lists and this can lead to years of mediocrity and has Carlton done this recently?
When clubs are rating their lists, they should rank players as: A+, A, B+, B, C+, C and Development.
In this list analysis, I have just done A, B, C and two tiers of development (“future AB players” and “need more time”) because with the younger players it is important to see who is coming through and those that need more time.
The important area for clubs to look at is how many A and B ranked players they have as well as future consistent AB players.
These rankings are my opinions, but they should give supporters a reasonable snapshot as to where their playing list sits now — and how they might look in a few years’ time.
Players 22 and over
A-grade: Elite players on any AFL list
B-grade: Top 10-18 player on most lists
C-grade: An 19-30 player on a list
Developing: Aged 21 or under
Future AB players: These are players that will hopefully develop into an A or B ranked player once they turn 22. They might be playing to this level now, but it takes sustained years.
Need more time: These players would be a player recently drafted that is still developing and therefore will need more time to see if he is likely to develop into an A or B grade player.
RATING THE LIST
A-grade: Liam Ryan, Andrew Gaff, Elliot Yeo, Nic Naitanui, Tim Kelly, Luke Shuey, Josh Kennedy, Jeremy McGovern.
B-grade: Jake Waterman, Dom Sheed, Brad Sheppard, Jack Redden, Oscar Allen, Liam Duggan, Jamie Cripps, Shannon Hurn, Jack Darling, Tom Barrass.
C-grade: Zac Langdon, Jarrod Brander, Jack Petruccelle, Alex Witherden, Tom Cole, Jackson Nelson, Jamaine Jones, Josh Rotham, Willie Rioli.
DEVELOPMENT
Future AB players: Isiah Winder.
Need more time: Luke Edwards, Xavier O’Neill, Zane Trew, Luke Foley, Bailey Williams, Jarrod Cameron, Callum Jamieson, Harry Edwards, Connor West.
Retired/delisted: Brayden Ainsworth (delisted), Brendon Ah Chee (delisted),Will Collins (delisted), Mark Hutchings (delisted)Ben Johnson (delisted), Nathan Vardy (retired) Daniel Venables (retired).
LIST BREAKDOWN
A-grade: 8
B-grade: 10
C-grade: 9
Development
Future AB players: 1
Need more time: 9
CRYSTAL BALL
I was definitely wrong last year when I predicted the Eagles would be the team to beat in 2021.
The list is ageing and this will present some challenges for the club to address in a year or two. But right now the West Coast list is very capable of being a top-four team with the talent and depth it has at its disposal. This is why the last two years have been so disappointing for Eagles’ supporters and the club – it has been a couple of wasted years.
Unless the group can find the hunger again, they will be the biggest underachievers in the current era. The talent is there to be a contender in 2022 but unless the desire and hunger returns, they will not achieve the results they should.
In such a competitive competition, unless you make the sacrifices, dedicate yourself and have a burning desire to compete week in, week out, you will not achieve anything regardless of the talent on the list.
Not sure about us having good depth though.
He says Cole is an untouchable yet rates his as a C.
Rating Rioli as a C and Duggan as an A was strange.
Gary Buckenara analyses the West Coast list at the end of the 2021 season
The West Coast Eagles have been one of the league’s great underachievers and time is running out for this talented group to deliver what they should.
West Coast’s list has underachieved the past two years.
Questions must be asked as to why.
Has Covid-19 had a big effect on their ability to adapt to the changing circumstances the 2020 and 2021 seasons presented? All clubs have had these issues to deal with.
The Eagles’ list is full of talent and I expected them to be one of the teams to beat in 2021 but their season has been a major let-down again to say the least.
Injuries have hurt them. But this is the bad luck you need to be able to cover with your depth players – and their list has a lot of depth – so this can’t be used as a justification for two years of disappointing results.
The clock is ticking and they are running out of time to achieve what they should have been able to as a group.
The Eagles will need some of their developing players to develop into at least B-graders and it’s hard to predict whether they can as I have not seen enough of them play WAFL to make those judgments.
The club’s recruiters have had later picks in the draft in recent years, meaning the chances of those players developing into top-ranked stars is slimmer than with earlier picks.
The Eagles list is now at a crossroad but the question is will they continue on a journey to the destination they want or have they taken the wrong direction and become lost?
Next season will be a very important one for this list as time is running out.
Even though they did win a flag in 2018, they have had the most talented list and should have won more and to miss the finals in 2021 is a huge underachievement for this group of players.
LIST NEEDS
The Eagles have an ageing list but it is still very talented, boasting a strong defence, elite midfield and very dangerous forwards. The issue that stands out is the lack of future AB players. Unless some of the developing players can progress into A or B-graders in two-three years – with the age of the top-end talent – there could be big challenges for the list management and recruiting team at West Coast. The last two years have been very poor and unless they can recapture the hunger again and develop younger players from within, they face some big challenges as a club.
TRADE TARGETS
I’m sure the Eagles will target any ex-West Australian free agents. But this is not a draft to have a lot of picks in. The talent over the past two years has been harder to access due to Covid and not being able to attend games to view players interstate. While everyone gets the vision to watch, it is not the ideal way to access younger players because watching them play live gives you a far better look at other factors like footy smarts and reading the play that you can‘t really see from vision.
UNTOUCHABLES
Oscar Allen, Jarrod Brander, Tom Barras, Tom Cole, Jamie Cripps, Jack Darling, Liam Duggan, Andrew Gaff, Shannon Hurn, Tim Kelly, Josh Kennedy, Jeremy McGovern, Nic Naitanui, Jack Redden, Josh Rotham, Liam Ryan, Dom Sheed, Brad Sheppard, Luke Shuey and Elliot Yeo as well as their developing players.
MORE GARY BUCKENARA
RICHMOND: Every Tiger rated – Bucky names real A-graders
GOLD COAST: Trade targets – who’s next in the Gold Coast feeding frenzy?
HAWTHORN: The Hawk who made be better off at a finals team
TRADE BAIT
I doubt the Eagles will be very active in trying to trade out any of their A or B-ranked players to get early picks in this draft. Some of the players in the C-ranked category are the ones likely to make way for list changes. But I would be making minimal list changes this year
WHAT THE RATINGS MEAN
List management is one of the most important jobs at an AFL club.
Poor decisions can be catastrophic — and Collingwood proved that last year.
Far too many clubs can often hold an overly-optimistic view when ranking their own lists and this can lead to years of mediocrity and has Carlton done this recently?
When clubs are rating their lists, they should rank players as: A+, A, B+, B, C+, C and Development.
In this list analysis, I have just done A, B, C and two tiers of development (“future AB players” and “need more time”) because with the younger players it is important to see who is coming through and those that need more time.
The important area for clubs to look at is how many A and B ranked players they have as well as future consistent AB players.
These rankings are my opinions, but they should give supporters a reasonable snapshot as to where their playing list sits now — and how they might look in a few years’ time.
Players 22 and over
A-grade: Elite players on any AFL list
B-grade: Top 10-18 player on most lists
C-grade: An 19-30 player on a list
Developing: Aged 21 or under
Future AB players: These are players that will hopefully develop into an A or B ranked player once they turn 22. They might be playing to this level now, but it takes sustained years.
Need more time: These players would be a player recently drafted that is still developing and therefore will need more time to see if he is likely to develop into an A or B grade player.
RATING THE LIST
A-grade: Liam Ryan, Andrew Gaff, Elliot Yeo, Nic Naitanui, Tim Kelly, Luke Shuey, Josh Kennedy, Jeremy McGovern.
B-grade: Jake Waterman, Dom Sheed, Brad Sheppard, Jack Redden, Oscar Allen, Liam Duggan, Jamie Cripps, Shannon Hurn, Jack Darling, Tom Barrass.
C-grade: Zac Langdon, Jarrod Brander, Jack Petruccelle, Alex Witherden, Tom Cole, Jackson Nelson, Jamaine Jones, Josh Rotham, Willie Rioli.
DEVELOPMENT
Future AB players: Isiah Winder.
Need more time: Luke Edwards, Xavier O’Neill, Zane Trew, Luke Foley, Bailey Williams, Jarrod Cameron, Callum Jamieson, Harry Edwards, Connor West.
Retired/delisted: Brayden Ainsworth (delisted), Brendon Ah Chee (delisted),Will Collins (delisted), Mark Hutchings (delisted)Ben Johnson (delisted), Nathan Vardy (retired) Daniel Venables (retired).
LIST BREAKDOWN
A-grade: 8
B-grade: 10
C-grade: 9
Development
Future AB players: 1
Need more time: 9
CRYSTAL BALL
I was definitely wrong last year when I predicted the Eagles would be the team to beat in 2021.
The list is ageing and this will present some challenges for the club to address in a year or two. But right now the West Coast list is very capable of being a top-four team with the talent and depth it has at its disposal. This is why the last two years have been so disappointing for Eagles’ supporters and the club – it has been a couple of wasted years.
Unless the group can find the hunger again, they will be the biggest underachievers in the current era. The talent is there to be a contender in 2022 but unless the desire and hunger returns, they will not achieve the results they should.
In such a competitive competition, unless you make the sacrifices, dedicate yourself and have a burning desire to compete week in, week out, you will not achieve anything regardless of the talent on the list.
Jarrod Brander an untouchable? Lol what
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I get we've underachieved by I don't think we could have beaten Melbourne given for they played and last year was a huge mess.
Since 2015 only one club has achieved materially more than us. I know we should take opportunities and all, but people getting super down about it given we'd likely still have the same flags.
Since 2015 only one club has achieved materially more than us. I know we should take opportunities and all, but people getting super down about it given we'd likely still have the same flags.
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Because she goes in harder than most of our blokes?
2019 was the real missed opportunity, we didn't have as many injuries as last season or have a completely disrupted season. The whole era looks much different if it was tigers 17, 20 and us 18, 19. Win 1 of the pies, tigers, hawks games and the whole outlook would've been completely different, win 2 and we would've finished top with a home qualifier against Richmond. Not to mention the Rioli incident
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Our midfield isnt A Grade. Gets spanked most weeks.
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The problem is it thinks it’s A Grade..
They likely think it because that's what they're being told...
4 of the top 6 in our B&F were mids this year
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Whats up with Cameron? Isn't he on a one year break from club? Or has he officially left the club?
Is this article suss or what, just wringing out some more click-bait?
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Is this article suss or what, just wringing out some more click-bait?
West Coast small forward requests move out of the club
He's played his last game for the club.
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Yes but doesn’t our B&F points system reward those who play the most games? How else would Sheed end up second when he was rubbish most of the year?
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As much as it's easy (fun too) to bag sheed, keeping on the park is an underrated attribute.
I'm sure he was under duress for some of the season but when you've got a captain that can't stay on the park, one player with asada suspension, another being carried for strictly good will in DV and the likes of Hutch and Yeo unable to play half a season, getting on the park should be encouraged amongst our list
How the AFL favours clubs who lose their stars to free agency
There have been a lot of changes to the AFL in recent years, but few are bigger than the reintroduction of free agency. Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson look at the impacts.
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And it doesn't even touch on how the 16 other teams are penalised by compensation.
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The issue with Sheed is he has possibly become the biggest one way running best 22 midfielder in the AFL.
So sure he ranks high for what he does and getting his hands on the pill but there isn't the consequent negative rating for what he refuses to do.
Noone is expecting him to become a Yeo but he doesn't even pretend to chase which is terrible because their isn't even a sniff of perceived pressure on the opposition.
Oppo teams waltz through the corridor understanding that this is our greatest flaw. So as good as Sheed's strengths are I hope he gets sent to the WAFL in 2022 if he refuses to address his weaknesses.
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This is the sort of analysis you get in The Athletic. I really hope those guys come to Australia and shake up the sporting media landscape here, which at best could be described as mediocre. The problem may well be that we just don't have enough talented writers in Australian sports journalism, in which case there isn't anything they could do.
How the AFL favours clubs who lose their stars to free agency
There have been a lot of changes to the AFL in recent years, but few are bigger than the reintroduction of free agency. Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson look at the impacts.
And it doesn't even touch on how the 16 other teams are penalised by compensation.
